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BLP noticeboard report - 2

Hi - please be aware there is a discussion at the noticeboard regarding some disputed content and join in the discussion at the BLP noticeboard - here - thanks - Youreallycan (talk) 18:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find it there. Rothorpe (talk) 16:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this not in the article??

"CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said.[...]

Quest was initially busted for loitering, the source said. Aside from the oddly configured rope, the search also turned up a sex toy inside of his boot, and a small bag of methamphetamine in his left jacket pocket.

It wasn't immediately clear what the rope was for."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/richard-quest-cnn-reporte_n_97466.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.30.185 (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Adding another comment by 108. from my Talk page:

Is Reuters considered a reliable source? http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/19/us-quest-idUSN1832900220080419 I note that in Don King's article, a reference is made to the fact that he killed two people. Why can this exist and not the informetion on Richard Quest? Again, thank you in advance.

--Bbb23 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, these incidents occurred in 2008. The Reuters article states that after Quest's arrest Quest appeared in court. The Reuters article is a mite confusing about what he was arrested for (in one place it says violating the park curfew and in another it says for possession of a controlled substance). According to Quest's attorney, the judge said he would dismiss the case if Quest attended counseling. The judge ordered 6 months of counseling (one presumes for drug issues, but the article doesn't say), and one also has to presume that the case was dismissed, although again the article doesn't explicitly say that.

WP:BLPCRIME states that we should not include material in a BLP article about a crime the person may have committed unless the person has been convicted. Here, there is no indication that Quest was convicted of anything. In addition, the details reported by The Post and Huffington are more properly confined to tabloids, and not to Wikipedia (Huffington happily alludes to this stuff as "lurid details"). He was not arrested for any sexual offense or charged with any sexual offense. Thus, to insert those details is WP:COATRACK and a further BLP violation.

Put more simply, this is crap about a minor contretemps that occurred four years ago that is more noteworthy for the "lurid details" than for anything else. It negatively impacts a BLP, it has little or no relevance to his Wikipedia article, and it cannot be included.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 Hi - please be aware there is a discussion at the noticeboard regarding some disputed content and join in the discussion at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Richard_Quest_2 BLP noticeboard - here] - thanks - [[User:Youreallycan|Youreallycan]] ([[User talk:Youreallycan|talk]]) 18:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 :Can't find it there. [[User:Rothorpe|Rothorpe]] ([[User talk:Rothorpe|talk]]) 16:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 == Why is this not in the article?? ==
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 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/richard-quest-cnn-reporte_n_97466.html  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.16.30.185|108.16.30.185]] ([[User talk:108.16.30.185|talk]]) 22:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Adding another comment by 108. from my Talk page:
+Is Reuters considered a reliable source? http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/04/19/us-quest-idUSN1832900220080419 I note that in Don King's article, a reference is made to the fact that he killed two people. Why can this exist and not the informetion on Richard Quest? Again, thank you in advance.
+--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
+Just to clarify, these incidents occurred in 2008. The Reuters article states that after Quest's arrest Quest appeared in court. The Reuters article is a mite confusing about what he was arrested for (in one place it says violating the park curfew and in another it says for possession of a controlled substance). According to Quest's attorney, the judge said he would dismiss the case if Quest attended counseling. The judge ordered 6 months of counseling (one presumes for drug issues, but the article doesn't say), and one also has to presume that the case was dismissed, although again the article doesn't explicitly say that.
+[[WP:BLPCRIME]] states that we should not include material in a BLP article about a crime the person may have committed unless the person has been convicted. Here, there is no indication that Quest was ''convicted'' of anything. In addition, the details reported by The Post and Huffington are more properly confined to tabloids, and not to Wikipedia (Huffington happily alludes to this stuff as "lurid details"). He was not arrested for any sexual offense or charged with any sexual offense. Thus, to insert those details is [[WP:COATRACK]] and a further BLP violation.
+Put more simply, this is crap about a minor contretemps that occurred four years ago that is more noteworthy for the "lurid details" than for anything else. It negatively impacts a BLP, it has little or no relevance to his Wikipedia article, and it cannot be included.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 15:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)