Talk:Rama I

Name

• according to Wikipedia´s own rules about naming monarchs, this needs to be changed [1] Antares911 11:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please see the result of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)#Article names for Thai royals/Thai with honorary titles first. andy 11:49, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Biographical context

This page was marked as lacking biographical context, which I added from the fr:, but it seems like the rest of the article was translated from there too, which implies there was probably a version somewhere back there which did have the paragraph I retranslated...maybe I should have just looked for it and reverted? Oh well... Moszczynski 04:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia?

Historical records have indicated that Rama I was experiencing madness before his death, but many scholars have indicated that from a modern point of view, the symptoms and behaviors described by the records should be interpreted as signs of midlife crisis, and not madness. - Is this not about King Taksin? Paul C 04:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes it was. My apologies. I added the section in this page. I will go to its right page. Arbiteroftruth 07:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Very confusing

The lead says "after subjugating a rebellion against King Taksin of Thonburi" ... yet looking up Taksin it sounds like he first executed Taksin's son, then returned to Thonburi and quickly executed Taksin. That doesn't sound like subjugating a rebellion against Taksin to me! Please make this clearer... Wnt (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

Buddha Yodfa Chulaloke → Phuttha Yotfa Chulalok – RTGS spelling. The previous spelling does not appear to be commonly used in reliable sources. Was moved to Phraphutthayotfa Chulalok but disputed. relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 13:57, 8 June 2012 (UTC) Paul_012 (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Previous discussion copied from User talk:Paul_012#Rama I and Rama III name changes

There was absolutely no discussion or consensus reached for this seemingly random changes to the article names. I disagree with both these changes I have addressed my concerns with Jessadabodindra > Nangklao at the article's talkpage. Please wait for some comments before making any more of these changes. Regards, Sodacan (talk) 15:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright I have some solutions. I understand apart from Nangklao the issue is spelling. On Nangklao I will concede, because it is true that the name is more commonly used by historians and sources. I have actually not been able to find Jessadabodindra anywhere. However I found William Warren and Handley using Chetsadabodin & Chetsadabodin. Whoever named the article in the first place probably wanted consistency in using the first name, furthermore many of the article on Wikipedia now uses Jessadabodindra, habits will need to change. But as for the other two kings whose issue is with spellings I will accept Phuttha Yodfa Chulalok and Phuttha Loetla Naphalai. 'Phra' is unnecessary otherwise it would then have to be Phrachao Uthong, Phra Naresuan and Phra Narai or even Phra Nangklao also. The spacing is just a compromise between the two, some of the sources such as Chakrabongse and William A.R. Wood uses it. Again I would like to register my personal protest against this change (although it really means nothing), to change a consensus of several years, which has both consistency and a uniformity about it to this new way :) Regards, Sodacan (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Continue discussion here

• I've tweaked the suggestion to be Phuttha Yotfa Chulalok to comply with the RTGS. No objections against dropping Phra and spacing. The previous consensus was more of a status quo, as simply no one challenged the spelling of the first version way back in 2003; this doesn't necessarily mean acceptance or correctnes. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Accept both new names (the name above and Phuttha Loetla Naphalai), and no this does not mean in any way acceptance or recognition that these spellings are correct. But I also recognize that there is unlikely to be a definitive source on these translations and that the RTGS is probably the closest. My consternation and absolute disdain still remains over the use of 'Googlebooks' as the determining factor of usage on the non-latinized names of historical figures. Sodacan (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose: The proposed transcription is rarely used in English-language literature (ten google books hits). Buddha Yodfa Chulaloke, on the other hand, isn't much more common ([2]). Phraphutthayotfa Chulalok is a little more common. ([3]) But why isn't this article simply at Rama I? The article title convention asks us to use common names. Rama I is by far the most common name of this king. --RJFF (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
  • There are old discussions from here and here. The main reason is that Rama # is neither any of the kings' names, nor is it the proper style. In the case of the early reigns (Rama I–III), though, I think a WP:COMMONNAME argument may be justifiable, as it does seem to be more commonly used. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2012 (UTC)