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shared family effects on personality

anon's edit summary: it is no where agreed that shared-environmental factors have no affect on personality and many studies have shown the opposite. More can be read on this in "nature vs. nurture"

it appears that both Harris 1998 and Plomin & Daniels 1987 agree on this. Harris 2006 recaps the conclusions. i have seen no studies or editorials which disagree with these conclusions. unless the conflicting opinion that there are in fact shared environmental effects on personality is found in the contemporary literature, then there's no reason to cast doubt on that conclusion in this article. --Rikurzhen 01:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I dont have a reference for you right now, but it doesnt make any logical sense whatsoever that non-shared environemtnal factors can have an affect on personality, but shared environmental factors, such as family, can not. This goes against most modern psychological analysis which considers many aspect of our personality developing from early childhood experiences, including those who influence us most at such an early stage in development. I havent read those studies and I don't know if they are avaliable on-line, but there are obviously numerous widely-supported sources contradicting such "conclusions" from those of Harris and Daniels. 69.157.112.58 23:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It seems counter intuitive, but that is the result that behavior genetics researchers find. Harris, et al are not the original researchers but rather they are summarizing a body of literature. Keep in mind the conclusion is not that shared environmental effects can't affect personality, only that they tend not to in the general population. No doubt uncommon/extreme environments would affect personality. --Rikurzhen 23:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

According to conclusions from those sources, shared factors appears to not have an effect in the general population, but again, this is against most modern psychoanalysis which states that for all people, influences of our early childhood experiences generally last for the entirety of our lives. As for the neutrality and factual accuracy tab, it is mainly there because of numerous sections where there is no supported source or contains a biased POV, especially in terms of "racial" studies. There are numerous statements where IQ is replaced by "intelligence" and "cognitive ability" for instance and it isn't widely accepted that IQ accurately defines these (with themselves even difficult to define). 69.157.112.58 00:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: IQ/intelligence. You are correct in the facts, but mistaken in your interpretation. An IQ difference which is not merely a product of test bias or some other artifact is necessarily a difference in "intelligence"/"cognitive ability". The non-equivalence of IQ and intelligence merely implies that there can be an intelligence difference that is not detected by IQ.

I don't see any other specific problems. --Rikurzhen 00:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, since "cognitive ability" and intelligence are themselves grey areas, IQ really isn't the same thing and in my opinion it is really a measure of ones experience to information or knowledge gathered in a lifetime and how well this has been retained and/or is utilized. When speaking of "cognitive ability", you are also speaking in a way of the intelligence "potential" of people which is currently impossible to identify (especially if you beleive in the notion that we only use 10% of the full capability of our upper brain fuctions). Just thought I'd share my opinon on that matter. 69.157.112.58 06:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

dispute tag

it is necessary to have an actual (specific) dispute in order to put a dispute tag on a page. --Rikurzhen 23:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)