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*'''Keep''' It's been rated a good article. Sourced, notable per press coverage, and the article is about the twitter account not just Bieber, despite what the proposer says. I know a lot of people hate Bieber and Twitter and think Wikipedia should only cover high-minded topics like Latin poetry, dead presidents, and Star Trek, but reflecting the decline of human civilisation to the level of bum-scratching apes is not a valid reason for deletion. --[[User:Colapeninsula|Colapeninsula]] ([[User talk:Colapeninsula|talk]]) 09:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' It's been rated a good article. Sourced, notable per press coverage, and the article is about the twitter account not just Bieber, despite what the proposer says. I know a lot of people hate Bieber and Twitter and think Wikipedia should only cover high-minded topics like Latin poetry, dead presidents, and Star Trek, but reflecting the decline of human civilisation to the level of bum-scratching apes is not a valid reason for deletion. --[[User:Colapeninsula|Colapeninsula]] ([[User talk:Colapeninsula|talk]]) 09:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
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**You could have fooled me that people think that those are our topic foci. Our articles on {{On AFD|Latin mnemonics}}, {{On AFD|Handedness of Presidents of the United States|List of United States presidents by handedness}}, and {{On AFD|Pon farr}} have all been nominated for deletion. {{On AFD| Argument from beauty|Argument from beauty (2nd nomination)}} was nominated for deletion, twice, and that's had eight centuries of scholarly analysis from ''[[Summa Theologica]]'' onwards, some of it ''in'' Latin. This whole idea that Wikipedians want to focus upon high-minded topics is just nonsense, and unsupported rhetoric that other Wikipedians use in arguments like this. The reality is a lot more complex. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 09:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
**You could have fooled me that people think that those are our topic foci. Our articles on {{On AFD|Latin mnemonics}}, {{On AFD|Handedness of Presidents of the United States|List of United States presidents by handedness}}, and {{On AFD|Pon farr}} have all been nominated for deletion. {{On AFD| Argument from beauty|Argument from beauty (2nd nomination)}} was nominated for deletion, twice, and that's had eight centuries of scholarly analysis from ''[[Summa Theologica]]'' onwards, some of it ''in'' Latin. This whole idea that Wikipedians want to focus upon high-minded topics is just nonsense, and unsupported rhetoric that other Wikipedians use in arguments like this. The reality is a lot more complex. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 09:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment'''' We can't just keep articles related to celebrities that are often "hated on" that is an invalid argument and public figures are all widely beloved and despised. The merits of this article are insufficient for an article independent of the [[Justin Bieber]] article and the Celebrity use of Twitter article where this minor content belongs, and is more appropriate.14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
**'''Comment'''' We can't just keep articles related to celebrities that are often "hated on" that is an invalid argument and public figures are all widely beloved and despised. The merits of this article are insufficient for an article independent of the [[Justin Bieber]] article and the Celebrity use of Twitter article where this minor content belongs, and is more appropriate.[[User:Luciferwildcat|LuciferWildCat]] ([[User talk:Luciferwildcat|talk]]) 14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' : The article has many reliable sources, very specifically the claims in national newspapers that he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter user (presumably in the world?), which counts as notable in my book. My personal opinion, however, can be summed up quite nicely with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hfg1htnM4 this] - oh how I wish [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] was a valid argument to use for AfD at times like these. --[[User:Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F">'''Ritchie333'''</font>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F">''(talk)''</font>]] 10:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' : The article has many reliable sources, very specifically the claims in national newspapers that he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter user (presumably in the world?), which counts as notable in my book. My personal opinion, however, can be summed up quite nicely with [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0hfg1htnM4 this] - oh how I wish [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] was a valid argument to use for AfD at times like these. --[[User:Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F">'''Ritchie333'''</font>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<font color="#7F007F">''(talk)''</font>]] 10:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | **'''Comment''' I don't hate Justin Bieber he's very sexy actually and Twitter is something I use and love daily, nevertheless when you say in the defense of this article, "'''he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter'''" you are talking about Justin Bieber and not the account, this content should be merged into the Bieber article and summarized, it is not notable on its own weight and has a place on that article, notability is just not inherited. [[User:Luciferwildcat|LuciferWildCat]] ([[User talk:Luciferwildcat|talk]]) 14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC) |
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:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Websites|list of Websites-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>[[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 13:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)</small> |
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Websites|list of Websites-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>[[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 13:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)</small> |
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This is not a notable topic. Notability is not inherited and twitter accounts like youtube videos or email address or stretch of highway or sites with many visitors simply do not carry on the notability of the artwork, city, highway, or person they are associated with. All the sources are about Justin Bieber not about his account itself, this could be merged into one sentence in his article and this article deleted as it is not notable at all. LuciferWildCat (talk) 07:24, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep Not all the sources are about the Twitter account. Some are about how ("random comments") or how often it is used ("Twitter addict"). Most are about what was written in it. For the sake of the normal use of modern English, I cannot really support taking Justin Bieber's name out of this article completely, but if one did so, it would still have import. This article is, at 70K, bigger than the Justin Bieber article at 62K. A merge is out of the question. Anarchangel (talk) 08:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keep It's been rated a good article. Sourced, notable per press coverage, and the article is about the twitter account not just Bieber, despite what the proposer says. I know a lot of people hate Bieber and Twitter and think Wikipedia should only cover high-minded topics like Latin poetry, dead presidents, and Star Trek, but reflecting the decline of human civilisation to the level of bum-scratching apes is not a valid reason for deletion. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- You could have fooled me that people think that those are our topic foci. Our articles on Latin mnemonics (AfD discussion), Handedness of Presidents of the United States (AfD discussion), and Pon farr (AfD discussion) have all been nominated for deletion. Argument from beauty (AfD discussion) was nominated for deletion, twice, and that's had eight centuries of scholarly analysis from Summa Theologica onwards, some of it in Latin. This whole idea that Wikipedians want to focus upon high-minded topics is just nonsense, and unsupported rhetoric that other Wikipedians use in arguments like this. The reality is a lot more complex. Uncle G (talk) 09:45, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Comment' We can't just keep articles related to celebrities that are often "hated on" that is an invalid argument and public figures are all widely beloved and despised. The merits of this article are insufficient for an article independent of the Justin Bieber article and the Celebrity use of Twitter article where this minor content belongs, and is more appropriate.LuciferWildCat (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Keep : The article has many reliable sources, very specifically the claims in national newspapers that he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter user (presumably in the world?), which counts as notable in my book. My personal opinion, however, can be summed up quite nicely with this - oh how I wish WP:IDONTLIKEIT was a valid argument to use for AfD at times like these. --Ritchie333 (talk) 10:15, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Comment I don't hate Justin Bieber he's very sexy actually and Twitter is something I use and love daily, nevertheless when you say in the defense of this article, "he is the second most popular celebrity Twitter" you are talking about Justin Bieber and not the account, this content should be merged into the Bieber article and summarized, it is not notable on its own weight and has a place on that article, notability is just not inherited. LuciferWildCat (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)