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The Lame Duck Congress

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This article is not the subject of any significant amount of discussion, is not one of the ones attached to an Emmy, and is not notable. The content has already been merged with the season article. (Disputed PROD). Sven Manguard Wha? 20:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep unless there is consensus to merge all West Wing episode articles (or for the default to be merge, with the exception being Emmys and so on). WP doesn't necessarily need to cover individual episodes in this amount of detail, but given that we do, we're doing a disservice to the reader by leaving them wondering what happened between "And It's Surely to Their Credit" and "The Portland Trip." –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:37, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow ^Talk 22:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

• Merge to season list: my reasoning is outlined here: User:MZMcBride/Edit summaries#westwing. --MZMcBride (talk) 05:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep given the prevailing sentiment on WP, I think these episodes should be kept. The experts at episode article creation could probably make an encyclopedic article out of just about any West Wing episode. (see the closing comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drought Conditions (2nd nomination))--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:10, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
  • At least part of the closing comments in that AfD are seriously flawed, specifically "while merging may well be a viable long-term solution, if it is to be done, it shouldn't be done one episode at a time." There is no practical way to merge all of the episode articles at the same time. Some have ridiculously long summaries that far exceed what is reasonably expected and specified. WP:TVPLOT says, "As a rough guide, summaries for episode articles should be about 200 to 500 words". However, it also says that for season articles, "a tabular format that sections off each individual episode with its own brief plot section (approximately 100–200 words for each, with upwards of 350 words for complex storylines)". The instructions for {{Episode list}} say "A short 100–300 word summary of the episode." When you have articles like 17 People (570 words), 365 Days (657 words) and 2162 Votes (a massive 1,125 words), there's a fair bit of pruning to do. The only way to merge the episode articles is one at a time. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

• Redirect to season list and let this be the precedent for the other Westwing episode articles. From sporadic browsing, it seems the vast majority of Westwing ep articles suffer the same inadequacies as this one (WP:NOT#PLOT and WP:TRIVIA). – sgeureka ^t•c 08:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep per past precedent and WP:OUTCOMES - there appears to be a weak consensus to keep all articles of episodes of popular/hit TV shows. Bearian (talk) 18:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
• Delete or Redirect (with a preference for delete). I went through all of The West Wing episode articles and there are about 130 that fail WP:PLOT or have serious issues that stop these articles from meeting our guidelines, including WP:N. All episodes are listed at User:AussieLegend/The West Wing for anyone who is interested. Nobody seems interested in improving any of the articles, which is why I was so frustrated to see articles that I had merged back to the season articles and then redirected or prodded, later restored. The only interest seems to be in keeping articles that fail to meet our guidelines and there is no point in doing this when the article is redundant to the season list. There was a reason for some of the articles when the season articles didn't exist and the content couldn't be incorporated into List of The West Wing episodes, but I created the missing season articles (seasons 1-5) and reworked the two that already existed (seasons 6 & 7). Nobody had even bothered creating seasons 1-5 so there's little chance they'd bother with the episode articles. I agree with sgeureka that this should set a precedent for all The West Wing episode articles. There's no reason why any of the 130 non-complying articles should continue to exist. There are some episodes that are notable and these should remain but the rest should all be deleted. --AussieLegend (talk) 14:40, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Note for the closer - This discussion closure should take into account the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Let Bartlet Be Bartlet‎. They were nominated at the same time by the same nominator. - jc37 17:54, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep, per User:TonyTheTiger, and others above. - jc37 17:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep The nomination states that content from this article was merged into another. We must therefore keep the edit history of this article to satisfy our licensing - see WP:MAD for more details. The issue of which page this content should best appear on is a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion, and so our editing policy applies. Warden (talk) 18:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
  • We keep the edit history by redirecting the article, not by keeping the article in its current, non-compliant form. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep Every episode has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and therefore it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.... Mcewan (talk) 01:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to season list. The article (or this discussion) does not contain references to the sort of substantial third-party coverage needed to pass WP:GNG.  Sandstein  05:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
• AFD is not a substitute for cleanup. I cannot say "keep" or "delete" yet because of this article's poor condition. Unfortunately, keep and delete votes come in the way, so I cannot say "speedy" either. For someone who is a fan of the show, balance is required for a stand alone article.

  Redirect to The West Wing (season 2), which would be the best choice. Even if one episode wins awards, still it needs balance for a stand-alone. --George Ho (talk) 15:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep If we're going to start deleting episodes of every major TV series that has articles for each episodes, then that discussion should be had elsewhere. Merging is clearly not tenable, for if you merge 20+ articles to a single list, then you're going be getting warning about pages being too long, unless you are actually deleting content. Nfitz (talk) 19:09, 15 July 2012 (UTC)