Talk:Tony Scott

NPOV non-examples

Okay, "..A sensual, downbeat, self-consciously "arty" endeavour.." is defiantely a subjective statement, along with "..With its remarkably beautiful photography and sumptuous production design..", both in reference to his movie, 'The Hunger'.

In reference to Scott himself, "..albeit one every bit as technically polished and visually accomplished as the rest of his work." Most certainly not neutral, and reeks of fanboy or a magazine interview that dotes on it's subject.

Apparently "..True Romance was a bold, exuberant, turbo-charged variation on well-worn Bonnie and Clyde themes." Did Earl Dittman write this?

Enemy of the State played "..like an amphetamine-charged version of Francis Coppola's The Conversation.."

Those are a few examples of the kind of needless praise and celebration that I despise finding in what's supposed to be a neutral resource. It might be an easy edit to fix, but I'm not seeing it, and see no reason not to put the NPOV template back up. --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.253.177.76 (talk • contribs) .

Wow, you must really hate T-Scott. I agree with your estimation, it should be fixed. But it wasn't written by a fanboy, I can tell you that much. If you'll notice, the terms used aren't actually lauding his style... They're just describing it using somewhat subjective terms - Try putting any of those quotes on a movie poster. Frankly, I think that The Conversation could use some amphetamines, and True Romance *is* bold and exuberant, a turbo-charged Bonnie and Clyde. Of course, none of those terms belong here, and someone should mellow them. --DarrenBaker 02:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't really hate him, just a lot of his movies. That initial comment about Man On Fire was by someone else, just to clarify. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.177.76 (talk • contribs)

I dont see the comment on "Man on Fire" but let me add this piece of info: "Man on Fire" with denzel washington was a re-make of "Man on Fire" from the 1980s. In the original version from 1980s, Creasy was played by Scott Glenn. Joe Pesce and Danny Aiello had small roles in it. The original took place in Italy. And if I remember correctly, the original was equally as brutal, but Creasy did not have to sacrifice himself in the end of the original version. Marc S., Dania Fl 206.192.35.125 (talk) 12:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of got that, though I'd forgotten that first useless comment was not yours. I was just in a confrontive mood, I guess. I get pretty defensive when people go off about how populist filmmakers are the devil, and indie is the way of the future, etc.. etc... My apologies. --DarrenBaker 21:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Death of brother?

The article Blade_Runner#Production claims Ridley (and Tony) Scott had a brother who died around 1980. Is this true? If so, it should be mentioned here. --Saforrest 05:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was their older brother (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/life/story/0,,628172,00.html) Jonathan F 08:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Date of birth

This article says he was born on 21 June 1944, but this article in other language versions, and some other sources say he was born on 21 July. When was he actually born? Jim Michael (talk) 12:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The change from July to June was made by 77.213.86.40 at 14:28, 2 July 2009 with no edit summary provided. By now IMDb states June but that could use Wikipedia as source. Possible vandalism. 84.185.194.206 (talk) 00:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

The article is an unsourced nightmare. It has THREE references, and they don't fully support the material (one source is not even verifiable). I've removed the birthdate completely from the article. If someone can find a reliable source, fine (IMDb is NOT a reliable source).--Bbb23 (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It's July, as per NNDB.--Misha Atreides (talk) 08:09, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear. In the book Ridley Scott Interviews (Conversations With Filmmakers Series), the writers noted Tony's date of birth as July 21, 1943 - a full year earlier! --Misha Atreides (talk) 08:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The New York Times has it as June 21, 1944. They're pretty famous for factchecking, so I'd be willing to rely on them. [1] Khazar2 (talk) 08:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The Good Wife

I added a mention of the show to his 2000s projects, but something about the sentence still doesn't feel right. Can anyone think of a better way of wording that detail? --MikeZ (talk) 21:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Death

The time of his suicide listed in this article is incorrect, as of Aug. 19, 2012, 9:49 p.m. According to a story on the TMZ website (http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/19/tony-scott-dead-suicide/), the suicide occurred at 12:30 p.m. And according to a story in the LA Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/tony-scott-death.html), the suicide occurred "Sunday afternoon." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.72.0.18 (talk) 04:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The current paragraph indicates as though a suicide note was found in his car. In fact, the note found in his car listed only contact information. The suicide note was later found at his office, as reported in this article by the LA Times — Comment added by Werner Moecke at 12:48, 20 August 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.162.45.49 (talk)

English to British

I have been editing him from English to British, to reflect how various media sources are describing him. As well as to acknowledge his unique contribution to the British film industry. This can only be fully recognised if there is a link to 'British people'. In no way are my edits an attempt to diminish the fact that he is born in England!

Here are the media sources which all describe him as just, British or British born:

Sky News: http://news.sky.com/story/974627/top-gun-movie-director-jumps-to-his-death

BBC News: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19314967

Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/08/20/top-gun-director-tony-scott-dies-at-68/#ixzz243dRMOHh

Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190834/Top-Gun-director-Tony-Scott-commits-suicide-jumping-LA-bridge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

New York Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/top-gun-director-tony-scott-younger-brother-ridley-scott-plunges-death-southern-california-bridge-authorities-article-1.1139980

CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/20/showbiz/obit-tony-scott/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9486673/Top-Gun-director-Tony-Scott-dies-after-jumping-from-Los-Angeles-bridge.html --Erzan (talk) 12:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

How the media report him is largely irrelevant. I could easily find plenty of newspaper article that describe him as English or an Englishman. If you want to start changing descripting to British, may I suggest you start on article for Scottish and Welsh people and see how far you get! I've added a reference where he refers to himself as English.

Littleone77 (talk) 11:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

How the media report is not irrelevant, I say it is very relevant as it can help stem a edit war. Erzan (talk) 13:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

It is indeed relevant, with the two criteria being how he identified himself (if we have that information) and how the media identify him. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Nationality, National identity, Britishness and English national identity could all be worth a quick look in reference to this issue. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Paul MacDermott. I thought I was going crazy, but no when a wide range of media outlets are acknowledging him as British. That has to be taken into account. Erzan (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The term "British" is perfectly unobjectionable, and the article makes clear elsewhere that he was English. Americans almost always refer to anyone or anything from our scepter'd isle as "Brriddish" (approximate phonetic spelling), while we, the English, refer to Scots and the Welsh as "British" only when they are winners, or at least strong competitors, particularly in sport. Otherwise they are Scottish or Welsh. It's not right, but it's the way it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.147.2.17 (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Inoperable brain cancer

Some are speculating that the reason he killed himself was because of 'inoperable brain cancer.' No concrete evidence of it but it's definitely making the rounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.34.174 (talk) 08:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Still, jumping off a bridge is a harsher way to go. Inoperable brain cancer is harsh, but to die in a bed in front of a TV is better than jumping off a bridge. No? 206.192.35.125 (talk) 12:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

You seem to be leaving out the months of suffering involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.209.35 (talk) 15:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Multiple 'sources' are now confirming that he recently received the news of the cancer. Not even gonna begin to speculate about which is a worse way to go either. Bottom line - he took his own life and it's reasonable to assume that it was brain cancer news that drove him to do it but we don't know.

Persistent vandalism

This page should be locked temporarily, as some idiot is repeatedly damaging it.

If this is in reference to the edit from English to British, please read 'English to British'. I am not an idiot nor a vandal. Erzan (talk) 12:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

No, it was with reference to the repeated insertion of "He died of Nervous Exhaust", which presumably meant nervous exhaustion. In any case, it was vandalism.

Perhaps we could delete this section now, as the "idiot" seems to have given up.

There's still vandalism in the "Death" section. Jaknudsen (talk) 13:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Let's face it: much of the article is pretty second-rate. Some of it is reasonably well written, but for the most part it has a very unprofessional tone. (Am I expecting too much?) I shall wait until the editing spree is over before coming (if I get round to it) to correct the grammar and punctuation of whatever remains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.147.2.17 (talk) 13:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Films in lede

There are currently 12 films listed in the lede, which seems excessive to me. This should be pared down to his most prominent films: Top Gun, Beverly Hills Cop II, Days of Thunder, True Romance, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State, Spy Game. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 12:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

That is your list of prominent films, which is an entirely personal choice. You omit, for example, The Hunger, which, apart form being his first film, or at least his first full-length feature film – and therefore significant by virtue of being his debut – is also considered something of a cult classic – but not, of course by everybody. (The lesbian scene alone makes it noteworthy.) A complete list seems wholly appropriate here, particularly given that it is not going to be expanding any time soon. But that's just my opinion .... You get the idea.

Photo

We need a photo. As he has died, a fairuse photo can be used, since no new free photo can be created to illustrate how he looked while alive. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 12:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Suicide Note

Now they're saying the suicide note was found in his office, not the car: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/tony-scott-death.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.2.238 (talk) 14:20, 20 August 2012 (UTC)