Talk:Grapple tackle

Good start

I started this article. At first it was surprsing that it didn't exist and as far as I know the tackle has been NRL-centric. There's a lot of commentary about the grapple tackle in the public domain so feel free to improve. -- Htra0497 11:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a good start, but a grapple tackle actually has two distinct variations, both of which are now considered illegal, and a mere 'chokehold' is for want of a better term 'tolerated'. Type A (a true grapple tackle) involves a defender, usually the third man in, solely applying pressure to the attackers neck with his arms crossed over. He then proceeds to 'untwist' his arms in order to twist the players neck. The idea is that the attacker soon realises that he cannot continue to fall onto his stomach - hence get a quick play the ball - he must turn with the player twisting his neck onto his back. The third defender, now with the attackers 'backhead' in his stomach and still with his arms placed around the players neck, then puts his entire weight onto the players head by shifting his weight off his legs. This enables the prior defenders considerable time to retreat the 10m, because of the pressure on the neck the attacker is 'stunned'. Doing this type of tackle requires many things, and some teams do it better than others. While they believe they are unfairly targetted by some clubs, Melbourne are masters at this type of tackle. To pull it off perfectly, you need two things - a) the first defender to tackle low. melbourne has two of the best in the league at this - Cameron Smith and Dallas Johnson. and b) two more bigger stronger defenders to tackle at the same time. the second guy attacks the ball - preventing an offload, the third guy does the 'grapple'.

Type B (the more common but less effective, and shown in the photos) involves only two guys. The first tackler makes a traditional ball and all tackle, locking the ball up. the second defneder then tries to put all of his weight into twisting the attacker onto his back. Sometimes, it involves using a 'chokehold' where one arm is wrapped around the throat. However, this technique has been used in Rugby League for years, and isn't a true grapple tackle. It only becomes a problem when a player uses the 'crushing' aspect outlined above, where he puts all of his weight onto the back of the attackers head/neck. This tackle is usually ignored by most referees, because it happens far quicker, and most attackers actually contribute to their own demise be look to offload the ball.

If someone wants to incorporate this into the article, go right ahead. Weststigersbob 15:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. Modified a little to make it easier to read. Htra0497 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

IMAGES

HI THE IMAGES ARE A LITTLE TOO BIG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hu1lee (talk • contribs) 23:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Someone just needs to put those images in context (insert captions). It is difficult but, pictures do need to be actual grapples and not just any headlock. -- Htra0497 05:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Not any more, they've been removed. RJFJR (talk) 00:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Unreferenced, OR?

Moved from article to talk: (by RJFJR (talk) 00:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC))

NRL club Melbourne Storm frequently use the Type B style of tackle, as highlighted by NRL commentator Peter Sterling during the Melbourne Storm and Brisbane Broncos Friday night clash on July 22, 2011.