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New policy to no longer list names of crewmembers in Airliner Crashes?

I just ran across an airlner crash article where another editor has removed the names of the deceased crewmembers on the ground that "we do not list the dead." Is that a new policy? I seem to remember reading many other air crash articles that had names of the dead crew in them, and they have been there an awful long time, with no one objecting that I can remember.

If there is such a new policy like that, I would appreciate a link to it so I can be sure to be in compliance, if I want to edit aviation crash articles. Thanks, 66.81.52.196 (talk) 05:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Question about how we add a map to Armenia-Cyprus relations article

Unfortunately Wikicommons doesn't have a locator with Cyprus and Armenia! Please do you know some users that can create the picture and add it to the article Armenia-Cyprus relatons?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia_-_Cyprus_relations — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsrArmen (talk • contribs) 21:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

question moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse. NtheP (talk) 21:35, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bouncing you around, but this question is perfect for Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Map_workshop--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

How do I move my revised article to the Encyclopedia from Wikipedia talk?

I have made the necessary revisions to my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Howard_J._Buss It is ready to be posted as an article. How do I move it to the Encyclopedia (Wikipedia) from Wikipedia talk?

Do I need to submit it again? If so, how do I do it?Suemanning1972 (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Sue, welcome to the the Teahouse. Your article will need to be resubmitted, you can do this by adding {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. This will add the page to the list of those awaiting review - there is a backlog so please be patient over waiting for a response. Please note that your page was slightly misplaced and can now be found at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Howard J. Buss. NtheP (talk) 20:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Inviting contributors

How might I invite other people to contribute to my article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lella_Vignelli Vibhabamba (talk) 20:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Vibhabamba. It depends if you have anyone in mind. You can ask any user on their talk page, or you can make a general request at an appropriate WikiProject, for example WP:WikiProject Italy. Rich Farmbrough, 00:36, 1 September 2012 (UTC).

Hello Vibhabamba, and welcome to the Teahouse! In a sense, you invited people to contribute to the article by asking your question here at the Teahouse. I have made a few modest expansions to the article, and thank you for beginning an article about an indisputably notable designer. I have also removed the "notability" tag from the top of the article, as the references listed in the article at this time establish notability without question. All that being said, the article can be expanded greatly, and I encourage you (and other editors) to pitch in and help improve it. You've made an excellent beginning here, and I thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

How can I add info to an existing table?

On this page List of Top Gear episodes, and this revision: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_Top_Gear_episodes&oldid=509985323, as you can see the ratings are in a separate table, rather than being merged into the existing table which has an overview of all the episodes. I want to add the total viewers and weekly ranking to the existing table but can't figure out how. Emirates123 (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the TeaHouse Emirates123. Tables are notoriously tricky. I suggest that you play around in your sand box until you understand who the layout of the two currently tables works and how the combined one might work before trying it on the live table. That or suggest it on the talk page and hoe someone else does it. Stuartyeates (talk) 17:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Emirates. The short answer is that you need to add columns to the table. This means every row needs an extra entry. YOuwill see that the headers are separated by "!", and the data columns by "|". Simply add the cells to every row. Rich Farmbrough, 01:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC).

How to reference a YouTube video in an article?

Would like to use a YouTube video as a reference in an article. Is it permissible & how to do it. thanks Yopeterson (talk) 16:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, because Youtube videos are self-published, they are not considered a reliable source, so using Youtube videos as references is not usually acceptable. If the information displayed in the video is available from a news agency or other reliable source, I encourage you to link to the video from there. Otherwise, it is highly unlikely that your reference will be allowed to remain. Ebikeguy (talk) 16:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Yopeterson, the one exception I could possibly think of is if it's a YouTube channel verified to be from a university or news outlet. That's still somewhat shaky, and I would recommend you look to that university website or news website for the information. However, if the information is only published by the university on YouTube, then you could cite it with the {{cite web}} template. I hope this helps! Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 16:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

You could cite it using {{YouTube}} template. benzband (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, the Wiki software has a 100MB size limit so if you have a video (such as a government documentary) that exceeds that, you would have to load it to Youtube first. One example is The Fight For The Sky: Our Fighter Pilots Versus The Luftwaffe In Western Europe (1945). Another 7000 or so can be found this link. Kumioko (talk) 18:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Should I undo an edit reversion when the editor's justification does not make sense?

I made an edit on a wiki article on a certain church in its "controversy" section. I added more information using the sources it already cited. Another editor decided to revert my edits and claimed that the information provided was not found in the sources that were cited. However, I took the added information directly from the sources.

Should I undo the editor's reversion and refer them to the talk page?In the talk page I made direct quotes from the sources showing that the added information is indeed found in the sources cited, however it has been over a day and I have received no response from that editor or any other editor. Or should I request a third opinion or some other assistance?

Here's the link to the talk page with the information, it is found under the last subject called "Edit Reversions" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo#Edit_reversionsFordx12 (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Fordx12, yes, I can see from the edit history of La_Luz_del_Mundo that it is a controversial subject with a number of reversions and edit wars. I also see you have a personal interest with the subject, being a member of the denomination? It is obviously a sensible approach to discuss any major changes. It looks like the other editor has not been active since you raised the issue on the Talk page. Editors are not always able to respond to Talk page discussions immediately for a number of reasons. My advice would be to allow the other editor(s) an opportunity to respond. I don't think you have given anyone enough time for anyone to digest the large amounts of information you have placed on the Talk page. In my view, it is never helpful to personalise an argument, as you have done with your recent contribution - it makes it more difficult for the other editor to respond and reach an agreement. It will also discourage other editors from becoming involved. If it was me, I would wait for a genuine exchange of views before taking the issues to arbitration. Best of luck! Sionk (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, I will give it more time. Fordx12 (talk) 20:55, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

What do you do when another editor persists in making "improvements" which are not?

There is this lady that persists on breaking the international links such as Gustave Brisgand or Toon Dupuis leaving Gustave Brisgand or Toon Dupuis which goes nowhere because there are no pages for them in the English Wiki. At first I thought it was just sloppy editing, but it is deliberate. She does the same thing on the Dutch Wiki, killing links to other language wikis. This is the second time I come across Dutch ethnocentrism, I had put a link on a page that I had not created, and all was germane to the page except the language part, I asked why that link was not permitted and I was told that it was because it pointed to a non Dutch Wiki. I decided to respect that person's rule as I had not created that page. However now it is being done on the page I created. I know it is probably not very Wiki to feel ownership of one's Wiki article, but I don't feel killing links within the Wikis is an improvement to any page.

Suggestions?

Sebastian (In case you are wondering, yes my wiki signature is a Dutch name, I picked it because, well, nobody ever has a beef with the Dutch, right!?) Van Aldenhaag (talk) 14:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Van Aldenhaag, welcome to The Teahouse. I agree-- who's ever had a problem with the Dutch, anyway? But getting to your question, I certainly don't think this is an example of you assuming ownership of the article, because you're addressing edits that are unconstructive. I would try talking to the user on their talk page first, and ask them why they are making these changes. I would explain that it is perfectly fine to link to other-language Wikipedias on en.wikipedia.org. I don't know what the policy on the Dutch Wikipedia is, though, so be sure to check into that. If addressing the editor directly doesn't work, and you two are the only ones involved, you should consider getting a third opinion. Barring that, you'll probably want to head over to the administrator's noticeboard for incidents. To be fair, I think you are in the right here (e.g. keeping the other-language Wikipedia links), but be sure not to engage in edit warring over this matter, or you might give the reason to someone to have a beef with the Dutch! I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 18:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Van Aldenhaag. I agree that killing links does not improve articles but I assume that both you and the other editor are editing in good faith to improve the encyclopedia. Here are a few ways to proceed. The English Wikipedia has a principle of least astonishment. Links to international Wikipedias should explicitly show that the link is not to an English language page. The easiest way to do that is to include the language tag such as fr:Gustave Brisgand. If Toon Dupuis is notable enough for inclusion in the English Wikipedia, it may be appropriate to add the article to the list of pages needing translation. Leave a red link on the page with a link to the international article like Toon Dupuis^(NL) or use the InterLanguage Link template {{ill}}. These suggestions came from the article on red links. Try to discuss the best way to handle the interwiki links on the talk page of the article under your stewardship (which is different from ownership). Hope that this helps, DocTree (ʞlɐʇ · cont) Join WER 18:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sebastian, welcome to the Teahouse. While the link on this wiki remains a redlink like the examples you give there is nothing wrong with using an interwiki link like the ones you used. If as it appears might be the case here someone objects possibly because they feel the presence of a redlink here is needed to encourage someone to write the article in English or because they object to or don't understand interwiki links then there is a trick you can use to satisfy both sides. That is to use the template {{ill}} which will produce both the link to the English wiki article as well as a link to the Dutch wiki article. For example nl produces a (red)link to the non existent English wiki article and in brackets a link to the existent Dutch wiki article.

I've no experience of the Dutch wiki so can't say whether the same policy applies there but I can't find anything on Meta-Wiki to suggest that is shouldn't apply. NtheP (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you all, I will go over your suggestions carefully and figure out what will work best. Much obliged Van Aldenhaag (talk) 21:45, 31 August 2012 (UTC) Cool! Thanks for fixing the links NtheP! Made my wiki day :-)Van Aldenhaag (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi all, I guess it is my edits you are talking about? On the Dutch Wikipedia I have been told (a long time ago though) I should not make interwikilinks because that would stop people from creating articles/tranlating into Dutch. FYI, I will NOT touch any interwikilinks on the English Wikipedia anymore. Hope that is fine with you all. Lotje (talk) 04:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

It is a happy day in wikiland for me. This is really a fascinating process between the submitting of articles for others' approval (I have not been in school in a long while), the cooperative editing, and trying not to get too emotionally wrapped up in it. NtheP the template {{ill}} is very clever, I tested it out on a few links fr not sure I like all that red :-), but if the article does exist in English it finds it as well even with the {{ill}} coding such as nl! Wondering if this would be acceptable in Dutch wikiland... :-D Thank you Lotje for agreeing not give me a coronary. Van Aldenhaag (talk) 17:36, 1 September 2012 (UTC) The template {{ill}} does not work in the Dutch wiki :-/ Van Aldenhaag (talk) 18:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Can someone help me update a pic of Natalya (wrestler) applying a Sharpshooter on Eve Torres and Layla?

Can someone help me update a pic of Natalya (wrestler) applying a Sharpshooter on Eve Torres and Layla?At the (In Wrestling) part of the page.I don't know how to do that.Help is greatly appreciated.Thank You!JosephbyNature (talk) 08:29, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, JosephbyNature, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can go to Wikipedia:Upload to upload the photograph, but you have to make sure it complies with the image policy before you upload it, specifically that you have the copyright for the photo. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 08:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I am writing an article about a prominent artist. Where should I send it for inclusion in Wikipedia?

I am writing an article (for consideration as an entry in Wikipedia)about a distinguished artist, in the style which is used in Wikipedia, with references and notes. Where should I send it after completion? 98.194.205.140 (talk) 05:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

KD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.205.140 (talk) 05:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hi KD. Glad you could swing by The Teahouse. I would suggest submitting your article to Articles for Creation or using the Article Wizard to submit your article or create a draft in your userspace to edit it until you feel like it is ready. Good luck on your article! Also be sure to check out notability criteria for artists, to make sure your sources can fit those criteria. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 05:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

User Profiles

How can I see another users edit count? Vibhabamba (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Vibhabamba and welcome to the Teahouse. In order to see another editor's edit count, go to his/her User Page or Talk Page. To the left of the talk page, click the link to "User contributions." At the bottom of the "User contributions" page, you will see a box with several links in it. Click the link titled "Edit count." Hope that helps! Ebikeguy (talk) 21:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

You can also enable Popups, which allows you to see the count (and MANY more things) just by hovering a mouse over the signature:

Preferences → Gadgets → Under "Browsing" look for Navigation Popups --SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

how do i add an attachment to a new article?

I've looked and I can't find out how to do this; any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!Brutus5199 (talk) 19:30, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Brutus! What do you mean by "attachment"? A photograph, perhaps? benzband (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Rudy Buttignol - (1) Info Box:Removing day and month from birthdate; (2) Adding new appointment to Brittania Mines Board of Directors

Hello, Rudy Buttignol has asked me to make some changes to his Wikipedia page (see above).

How do I remove his day and month of birth and leave in only "1951"? I tried through "edit" and got an error notice!

The link to the Brittania Mines website that contains Buttignol's name as a newly appointed Director of the Board is: http://britanniaminemuseum.ca/about_us/board_of_directors.html Can I just insert the link after a line that I need to write re the appointment?

Many thanks for any help.

Sofiabrampton (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Sofia, welcome to The Teahouse. Before I answer any of your questions, you should be aware that your editing situation brings reasons for concern. You may have a conflict of interest as an editor, because it sounds like you are employed or have some relation to Buttignol in which he has asked you to make these changes. The content on articles about biographies of living persons don't really get decided by the subject of the article or people who are affiliated with them. It gets decided by editors. If you would like the propose changes to the article, I would suggest adding them to the talk page for Rudy Buttignol, which will allow another, more impartial editor review your proposal, and add the changes in if they are appropriate.

As for your questions, I think removing the day and month will not be acceptable, because there's no reason for it other than Buttignol's request. However, I think adding in the link for his position would be appropriate. In general, to add in links, you need to use a citation. You can use this guide to help with your referencing. Because this addition seems non-controversial, and supports his notability, I think it's OK to do it yourself. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 17:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• Removing the day and month of birth is possible for a living person, see WP:DOB. However it should likely be by direct request of the person himself, through our OTRS system so that a (confidential) record is kept. Franamax (talk) 18:11, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

_{See also: relevant section on my talkpage. benzband (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)}

I`d like to do a translation of an article for Wikipedia Germany

Hello, I want to do a translation of "Morita therapy" by "Jacobisq" to put it across to Wikipedia Germany since there is no such article. Are there any prescriptions to consider?79.247.241.39 (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, IP, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you are interested in translating an article from English, you might want to check out WP:Translate us, which has some handy tips on translation. Also, on the English Wikipedia you have to have an account to create articles, but I don't know if this is true of the German Wikipedia. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi 79, also be aware that the German Wikipedia has different criteria for inclusion, so it's worth checking that the article is suitable before putting a lot of effort.

Secondly it is important to respect the copyright of the article by putting an acknowledgement and link to the version translated from. Rich Farmbrough, 02:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC).

Here is the first paragraph in German:
Dr Shoma Morita (1874-1938) war ein Psychiater und Abteilung Lehrstuhl an Jikei University School of Medicine in Tokyo. Morita Personal Training im Zen-Buddhismus beeinflusst seine Lehren, aber Morita-Therapie ist kein Zen-Praxis. Morita formulierte seine psychotherapeutischen Prinzipien in Japan als ein Programm für die Behandlung von neurotischen Tendenzen zur gleichen Zeit, dass die Aufmerksamkeit in Europa Dr. Sigmund Freuds Entdeckung des Unbewussten und Carl Jung die Entwicklung von Archetypen gegeben wurde. [3] [Bearbeiten] Keelan717

Resolving dispute when other party is uncooperative

I have been trying to streamline the Infobox on Romania, but keep getting reverted by one editor. I have posted the issue on both the article talk page and on the user's talk page, but he has not discussed, and keeps reverting the whole edit, not just the parts in question, only giving condescending edit summaries. I see no noticeboard in WP:DR applicable to this situation. Any advice? Thank you in advance. Silvrous (talk) 09:48, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Silvrous, welcome to the teahouse! Maybe WP:3O - to give you a third opinion on the changes to the infobox - is the best way forward here? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Obama page

Howdy, I just added some controversial material to Obama's page - curious to hear your thoughts and/or advice.

Cheers--

Settdigger (talk) 07:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It got reverted pretty quickly. If you seriously want to add content to pages like that, start by discussing it on the talk page. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

images

How can i see all the images associated for an article? Vibhabamba (talk) 01:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

That entirely depends on what you mean by "see" and what you mean by "associated". Many images for articles are held on commons. Search for them here. If you find a category of images there associated with a wikipedia article you can link from the article to the category with the Template:Commons template. I hope this help. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

How to ask for new chemical structure file to be created.

Is there an "approved protocol" for asking someone to create a specific chemical structure file for me? I specialize in chemistry and pharmacology, and have done some extensive WP editing, but only on existing entries. I had hoped to be able to draw my own structures in order to create new entries, but that won't happen as soon as I had anticipated. Thanks.Xprofj (talk) 22:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Xprofj, thanks for stopping by the Teahouse, I think the best place for you to ask for this type of image file is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pharmacology where you are likely to find and editor who specialises in this type of work. NtheP (talk) 22:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello Xprofj. There is a project at Wikipedia that helps with Chemistry articles as needed. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry. You can ask someone who works at that project for help. There's a subproject called Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Structure drawing workgroup that has a list of participants who all look like they have an intrest and skills in structure drawing. The best option would be to find someone there who is still active, and ask for help. --Jayron32 22:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Xprof. The very first thing I would suggest is go to the article's talk page and add this template: {{chemical drawing needed}} (which can be tailored to describe what you want in the form {{chemical drawing needed|additional text}}). This places the page into Category:Chemistry pages needing pictures. I have no personal experience making this particular request, but if it follows the typical pattern I see for a general request on Wikipedia, there's a very small likelihood it will result in quick action action, and much more likely on the bell curve, it will sit for weeks or months. More directly, and likely to get quicker attention, make a request at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop (click on the lime "Make a new request" button in the center of the page, and be as specific as possible). I don't see any reason why you couldn't add the template to the talk page and make the specific request, but if you do so, I think it would be a good idea, as part of the request, to inform them you added that to the talk page and that it should be removed if the request is fulfilled. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to ask me on my talk page, I can draw you most chemical structures (in 3D or 2D, space-filling model or ball-stick model) using a program I have called Chemsketch. --Activism1234 00:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

My sincere thanks to all of you for your advice.Xprofj (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

When I came to add illustrations to my article, I had changed my username and password & was no t considered qualified to add the illustrations to my own article. That was 2009; never found a solution. Can anyone help?

I was having trouble signing in, so I just started over. Big mistake. Now I don't have the right to add pictures to my own article and that is really too bad as it is ABOUT pictures--an early Russian Picture Bible. Argh! Can anyone help?70.56.16.189 (talk) 21:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am sorry to hear about your difficulties. It would help me to understand your problem if you could post the name of the article you are trying to edit, as well as any usernames you have used in the past to edit the article. Once you post that information, people can check the article history to get a better idea of how we can help you. Thanks! Ebikeguy (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. If you entered an email address when you originally created an account you can enter your username in the login box and then click on the button towards the bottom of the page marked "Mail me a new password" and then use that to access your account. If you have forgotten your username or didn't register an email address then under the Wikipedia:Cleanstart rules you can create a new account as long as there is no intention, now or in the future, of using both accounts. Until you regain access to the old account or create a new one then I'm afraid you are stuck about uploading images as unregistered users cannot upload images. NtheP (talk) 21:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting the Teahouse, where people can help, but I must point out that it is not your article. See wp:own for more details.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Let me just add that it only takes a minute to create an account at Special:UserLogin/signup, it doesn't require any personal information, and you can immediately upload freely licensed images for use in Wikipedia at commons:Special:UploadWizard. It is only non-free images which have a small requirement called autoconfirmation to upload: The account must be four days old and have ten edits. Without that you can still post a request at Wikipedia:Files for upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I want a script built, so where do I find people to ask?

Hi everyone. I'm desperate to have a tool on Wikipedia that allows me, in the same vein as Twinkle does tags, to add WikiProjects to talk pages. There is a type of this script in French Wikipedia, which you can find here. Where would I go to request something like this be created in English Wikipedia? I'm not experienced in creating tools like this, nor do I have the time right now to develop such a skill. Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 16:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

You can request scripts here.

Such a script already exists though, at User:Drilnoth/assessortags.js/doc. It doesn't support many banners but you can add more manually. AFAIK, developing has been discontinued. benzband (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Ben. It'd be great to have something up to date, at least with the most active WikiProjects. I'm terrible at doing the manual additions on Twinkle (I screw it up repeatedly until I get it right, and it's not because I'm incompetent, I think it's just the bad documentation and lack of intuitiveness that goes with working with these things), so it'd be nice to have something new, attractive and updated! I will take a look at it though. SarahStierch (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Writ might be able to build on that for his new script though. Another hitch is it doesn't allow class or importance parameters. benzband (talk) 16:31, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Importance is going to be effectively impossible to automate in a sane fashion. Class can be estimated by calling out to Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck and counting <ref> tags to have a crack at sorting them between stub/start/C, more advanced classes require real work. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

• Sarah, your script exists! I found it yesterday and it's awesome! It was actually created just a few days ago so your timing is impeccable. Try adding this:

importScript('User:Kephir/gadgets/rater.js'); // [[User:Kephir/gadgets/rater]]

User:Kephir/gadgets/rater is awesome and allows you to add and/or assess WikiProjects. In addition Kephir just added autocompletion to it. This helps when you don't know exactly what project you are looking for (or are lazy like me and don't want to type it all). Ryan Vesey 04:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

WHOA. Awesome :) Thanks Ryan. Where is the best place for me to install this? common.js or..? Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 04:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Yep common.js. Although I'd prefer something like MediaWiki:Common.js (in all seriousness, it should be turned into a gadget or something). Ryan Vesey 04:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

You sure it works? I went to talk pages, and it's not popping up on the left side under "Scripts." Can you check if I made a mistake at User:Activism1234/commons.js? Please note I also have a User:Activism1234/Vector.js. Thanks. --Activism1234 05:00, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It appears on top of the page in a button marked rate. Ryan Vesey 05:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

You imported it correctly by the way. Ryan Vesey 05:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

On another note, any script that is added to your common.js page will work just as fine in your vector.js page as long as you are using the vector skin. The advantage of common.js is that if you change skins, your scripts will still work. In fact, when I first started editing, some scripts' documentation pages told me to add them to my monobook.js page even though I wasn't running monobook. That caused some confusion because nothing that was added there worked. Ryan Vesey 05:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm I neither see it on the top of the page on IE9 or Google Chrome... That's odd. Where is it? Next to "edit, new section..."? --Activism1234 05:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Did you clear your cache when you added it? It should appear to the right of the watchlist star. You can use it from the article page and it seems to load faster that way. On IE you should hold the ctrl key down and click the refresh button after you add anything to your javascript.  Ryan Vesey 05:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Nvm I fixed it by getting rid of my vector.js page and adding everything to common.js. Awesome!!! --Activism1234 05:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

One suggestion would be to automatically have a pop-up below whenever you type in to add a new wikiproject that lists wikiprojects that start with what you typed (like a google search). This makes it easier to know the wikiproject exists. --Activism1234 05:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

That is the autocomplete feature that was just added. Are you not seeing it? If not, I suggest you discontinue using explorer or restart your computer or something. Ryan Vesey 05:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

No I didn't see it. Check my code again at User:Activism1234/common.js one more time please? Also, do you know where I can find a list of all these scripts and an explanation of what they do? --Activism1234 05:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

You could try checking Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts or for more check Category:Wikipedia scripts; however, not all of the scripts in the category have descriptions. Alternatively, you can check random editors skin.css pages (common, vector, monobook, etc.) and see if the name of any of the scripts is interesting and ask them about it. I use one that puts a link to the New Pages Feed in my toolbox. Another allows me to change date formats easily. Another allows me to filter recent changes to find vandalism (I use it when I don't have access to Huggle). Ryan Vesey 05:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It works for me on Google Chrome, not IE9. --Activism1234 05:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for dropping a link to the tool's page. Skins other than Vector are not known to work; in fact, I just tried Monobook and it did not. Something to find out. The autocompletion feature is implemented using the so-called-HTML5 datalist element, and a bit of searching reveals that IE9 does not support that. Making that work would probably require some fiddling with jQuery… but personally, I am much happier with driving people away from IE. Hah! Take that, Microsoft! Keφr (talk) 06:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

tax deductable

lets say i sell fruits and i traveld to usa from SA to buy a machine to help in production , i come back to SA without the machine because it was not the right one and my traveling expenses were R12 500, is it deductable or not2001:4200:5000:FFFD:0:0:0:5 (talk) 07:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, IP, and welcome to the Teahouse! I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 07:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability & references (also additional) problem

I need help with my article which I'm writing. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Simple Shop Can you edit my article so that will be ready for publish?

Best regards, Simon Dolenec Dolenec (talk) 05:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Simon, welcome to the Teahouse. There are two problems here. Firstly it would appear that you have a Conflict of interest with the subject as you are, according to the draft, the founder and CEO of the company. Where you have such a close connection with the subject you are strongly urged not to edit the article to avoid the article failing to have a neutral point of view|. Secondly there is the notability| of the company, the references you have referred to are either press releases which are not indpendent or from non reliable sources. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), but there need to be more references from reliable sources that explain why the company and it's services are notable. NtheP (talk) 08:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I edited References from which I got data who bought company and who is CEO of company (Ref: Slovenian goverment web page called "Supervisor"). But still don't understand (not so good in english) "Notability". Is major computer magazine in Slovenia (Računalniške novice) not reliable source? Don't understand that.. PS. I'm not in any relation to any subject on which I'm writting article, so don't understand that either..

Simon. The references, Računalniške novice, may be a reliable source but the reference is labelled "press release" suggesting that all the magazine is doing is printing a press release from the company. A press release, no matter who publishes it is not a relaible source beacuse ultimately it was written by the company. The Slovenian government website is a reliable source but all it does is confirm the existence of the company and it's owenership - that doesn't establish notability. Notability is about attrating notice from places other than Wikipedia so it's about how much notice has been taken of the company and it's services. This is more about what the company does, not any legal requirements which is all the government website does. So what is needed is news items about the company, so far all there appears to be are press releases like http://www.racunalniske-novice.com/novice/news/businesses-need-simple-shop-pos-software.html and http://www.prlog.org/11643530-businesses-need-simple-shop-pos-software.html sorry but this don't count for the reasons I've already explained.

There might be some confusion about your connection with the company in which case I apologise but you have signed yourself here as Simon Dolenec and the article says Firm founder and CEO is Simon Dolenec, that suggests to me that you are the person who founded the company and therefore you do have a conflict of interest. The company may now be owned by Irma Dolenec but if you are the same Simon Dolenec do you really have no interest or connection with the company now? NtheP (talk) 13:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Help with first submission

Hi Just submitted a short article on "Battle Storm the trademark" to get a feel for the process. The article has just been reviewed by Sarah Stierch. I thought I followed the procedure correctly, however it looks like I screwed up slightly. First, she has had to move it from my sand box to "Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Battle Storm:" , then she had to "Clean up the submission of afc" last post was she removed the "sandbox tag" - I think she is still at it! But seriously, are these normal mistakes or should I read up to the submit process (I am male - so I don't like to read the manual - I just go for it!). DavidAndrewMorris (talk) 23:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi David. Welcome to the Teahouse! The answer to your question is a great, big "Yes!" Reading up on the submission process will dramatically improve the chances that any articles you create will survive. You might want to start by reading this posting on creating your first Wikipedia article, which includes information about reliable sources, proper editing style, etc. I also want to caution you in regards to Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies. If you work for the company you are writing about, it can be hard to maintain a neutral point of view. If your company is notable, then it might be best to let someone who does not work for the company write up its Wikipedia entry. I hope this helps! Please post another question if we can be of further service. Cheers, Ebikeguy (talk) 23:22, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Looking at the question another way, these are indeed normal mistakes - new editors are widely encouraged to develop draft articles in their sandbox, and are also (later) encouraged to submit them through AFC by putting the submit template at the top of the article. AFC reviewers then like to move these submissions to the Articles for Creation namespace, which then results in the sandbox tag being inappropriate. The problem lies more in the design and interaction of these Wikipedia processes and features (which have grown up over time), rather than the editors making the edits. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Page Deleted for Copyright Infringement

I tried creating an entry, which was rejected and deleted for copyright infringement of information taken from our own website. I just wanted to ask what my best next steps would be. Should I go about getting the approval to use the text (and if so how should I do that), or would it be easier for us to start over again and reword our entry? Any help is greatly appreciated and thanks in advance! B2gel (talk) 16:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

B2gel, there is a route for getting approval to use the text but it is much better to write the article in your own words, using references from Wikipedia:reliable sources and independent of Colonial Farm Credit. NtheP (talk) 17:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi B2gel. Nthep's advice is good, but please be careful with regards to your conflict of interest. Since you appear to be an employee of the company for whom you are writing the Wikipedia page, you need to be extra careful to maintain neutral point of view. Many editors would recommend that you not write a Wikipedia page on your own company. If your company is truly notable, according to Wikipedia's rules, it is likely that someone else will write an article for you soon. One more point: you talk about rewording "our entry," but that is not correct. If your article is approved for publication on Wikipedia, you will not own it. Any editor will be able to edit it according to Wikipedia's rules. Ebikeguy (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

coding multiple birth dates

Hi all,

I want to edit the article for the artist Man Ray to indicate that his birth date has been reported in various sources as either August 25 or August 27, but I don't know how to code two birth dates. Can anyone point me to an article where this has been done so I have a template?

Bettinche (talk) 15:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Bettinche, thanks for stopping by the Teahouse. I'm not aware of a way of coding multiple birthdates where the date is disputed. Indeed the template for birth dates {{Birth date}} specifically says not use the template if date of birth is disputed or unknown. In cases where the dates are in dispute don't use a template at all but just put the date in as August 27, 1890 or August 25, 1890 and cite the sources that differ. It also means that you can't use the corresponding template for death and age at death {{death date and age}} as it won't calculate correctly. Not using the templates in the infobox is not a huge deal as long as you explain why there is dispute over the date in the text of the article. NtheP (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to add something to what Nthep said, templates are never a required element of a Wikipedia article. Templates exist to make things easier, but you don't have to use a template if one doesn't work for a particular situation. You can simply write what you want in plain text, and since the reader doesn't see the difference, it is no big whoop. Just type the birthdate as "August 25 or 27, 1890" with a footnote next to each date connecting it to the source for it, and you'll be fine. --Jayron32 19:06, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

favorite pages (is there a simpler way than watch list?)

Hello, I am struggling to understand if there is a way to mark pages of interest (for future reference) other than the watch list, that is to keep track of my favorite pages without having information bout changes edits etc. thanks a lot, regards pic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sempreio68 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Sempreio, welcome to the Teahouse! I don't think there is a way to do this through Wikipedia other than the watchlist, but you could always just use the favorite/bookmark feature of the web browser you use, if you tend to use the same computer. If you go to your watchlist and click on the small link at the top of the page that reads "View and edit watchlist", also accessible through this link, it'll give you a simple list of all the articles on your watchlist, without the new change information. Finally, if you want a portable solution that's separate from the watchlist completely, I suppose you could always create a subpage in your userspace (perhaps at User:Sempreio68/Interesting articles or something similar) and simply add titles to that list as you find them. Hope this helps! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

multiple contibutions

Thanks Writ Keeper! i will follow your advise and just keep the Mcolm account however how do I include the copy from dubaitennis to mcolm? as you see i have 2 contributions,and i don't want to jeapordise the other entry as per wikipedia's regulations re one account…

On the DDF Company, it said that it appeared to be written like an advertisement but that has been revised now which i have sent for re-approval. Hope the note which says its a spam be removed as this is not a spam.

actually, i followed an instruction on the thread on posting multiple contributions but didnt realised it went to live page which should not have been the case.195.229.74.120 (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

help also on my page

Thank you for the reply which is most helpful. -I have now revised the userpage according to Wikipedia's standard, which i would now like to re-submit for approval. Please advise how to go about it. However, I think it is now 'live' as i received a Google alert and when i checked it took me on the userpage?

- The note is back on top of the page and hope the revised copy (yet to send) will meet your approval.

- I have 2 contributions and created 2 accounts though i didnt mean to violate the rules, now I would like to correct this but unsure how to proceed, can you guide me how to do it? 195.229.74.120 (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Mcolm, welcome back! As far as the multiple accounts thing, there's not much you need to do, as there's no way to merge the accounts or anything. All you really need to do is choose one to use going forward (I'd definitely recommend the "Mcolm" one), make a note on the other account's userpage saying that the account is an accidental duplicate and will no longer be used, and use only the account you chose going forward. That should be enough.

As far as the article, I think you did write one that went live at Dubai Duty Free Company, but it was deleted as spam. I can't tell what the version that was deleted looks like, but you should definitely take that into consideration. It's nothing to worry about as long as you learn from it (lots of people have their articles deleted all the time), so just bear it mind and don't let it discourage you.

Finally, you should make sure that you log in when you're editing, even if it's just to ask a question here; it helps us know who's asking about what, and it keeps your IP address hidden. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mcolm. I have admininistrator access here, so I am able to view deleted articles, and the article's tone and wording was unambiguously inappropriate for Wikipedia. The article was covered with what we call "peacock language", just a little sampling phrases like "are to provide travellers with a first class retail experience in a shopper-friendly environment." and "the operation is highly committed to promoting Dubai through a series of high level sporting events" and words like "remarkably" and "offering value for money." are the sort of thing we'd expect to find in an advertising brochure, and not in an Encyclopedia article. The entire article is written in this style, and does not contain any information gleaned from third-party independent sources either. When an article is based solely on a company's own literature, and when it speaks of itself in such glowing terms without regard for maintaining a disinterested, outside, and neutral viewpoint, it is generally in the best interest of Wikipedia to delete the article and start from scratch. Perhaps this would be an appropriate subject for a Wikipedia article, but it would need to be written by someone without a conflict of interest. You can ask for someone else to write the article for you if you go to Wikipedia:Requested articles, which is the place to ask people to write articles that you yourself are having trouble doing. Does all that make sense? --Jayron32 14:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Are these edits enough?

Hi there i tried posting on the persons talk page, but thought i might try having a look at the other people available to help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Amanda_Blain is the article.. and the feedback was good. I recently removed the 'personal section' as i cant find anything but not notable sources to back it up. With that section removed does it look like this article is good enough to be resubmitted for evaluation? Does anyone have any other tips?

Geek4gurl (talk) 20:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. To me, it looks as if there are insufficient sources to sustain an article on Blain, per the guidance at Wikipedia:Notability (people). What look to be the 2 main sources about Blain[1][2] seem to be focused on the Girlfriend Social website. Maybe an article on that website would be more appropriate, but even then more sources would be a very good idea. I hope that's helpful. Please come back with any further questions. -- Trevj (talk) 07:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Request review of article resubmitted after modifying according to Sarah Stierch's feedback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Sridhar_Lagadapati

Hey Sarah or any reviewer/editor who can take the time, please check this article I'd like to resubmit...

Thank you. meetzia Meetzia (talk) 06:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You need to place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page so it can be reviewed. Also, this isn't really the place for asking for favours like that, your page will be added to the backlog anyway. Rcsprinter (whisper) @ 10:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Manual Saliran Mesra Alam (MSMA)

Hi, I had submitted this article and it has been reviewed twice by two different reviewer.

I need help on defining the comments that the second reviewer issued which is : " The article needs a better lead and better formatting.".

I think it may not be a perfect article but in my opinion I think it surely does give readers some information in how it relates on the subject matter discussed on the article.

Please help me improving this article so that it can be published and share to the public.

Thank you. Atikah77 (talk) 04:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atikah77 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Atikah, welcome to The Teahouse. I've looked over your article a bit, and here are a few things you can do to improve the article:

• In your lead, you want to bold the subject within a sentence, rather than making it a section title like it is presently. The lead should also be a brief summary of everything else in the article. Try to shorten it a little. Check out These recommendations for leads for more info.
• Instead of using bolded titles to separate sections, use headers. They are formatted like this: ==Background==
• Try to incorporate links to other, relevant Wikipedia pages based on terms you use in your article, like Malaysia. You can do this by putting brackets around the appropriate word, like this: [[Malaysia]].

I think these tips should help you get your article in a more presentable state. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 04:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there a way to verify a suspected IP as sockpuppet?

I suspect a user may have used IP addr to anonymous post on RfC to effect the opinions there. Is there a way to trace it down to some users? I am not interested in any info other than it might be linked to certain user. Showmebeef (talk) 23:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Showmebeef, there's the CheckUser tool for logged-in users, but only certain users have access, and you'd need to request someone to do it for you. Doubt it would be approved in this case. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
• A follow-up question (since it's hard to get a CheckUser to perform a "check" in the scenario I described):

Is there a policy regarding the opinion expressed by an anonymous user in RfC (or any poll-taking forums)--i.e. how can we avoid the pitfall that a user is trying to post anonymously to affect the polling result? Is there a "weight" to give to such post? And a user could possibly try to post as multiple "persons", anyway to detect or prevent that? Showmebeef (talk) 21:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

This is often tried but the contributions tend to stand out e.g. because the account has made very few edits anywhere else or the language, style etc used in each of the contributions is the same or similar. Also you need to remember that RFCs and other discussions are not simple vote counts but reflection of the range of views contributed. The use of multiple accounts for any purpose is covered by Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. NtheP (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, you should note that, in order to protect user privacy, checkusers do not usually reveal or comment on technical evidence relating to IP users and registered accounts, as it could reveal the registered account's IP address. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I see, I guess then the only info that can be revealed by CheckUser is that whether 2 (or more) users are actually related (like traced to the same IP)? Showmebeef (talk) 23:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Whether 2 or more registered users are related, yes. Basically, they'll tell you if similarities exist and vaguely how strong the similarities are, but they won't tell you the exact nature of the similarities (so, they won't tell you which ip address/range they share). Linking an IP address to a registered account would be a kind of end-run around that, so they don't do it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

New topic refused "Tune Method"

Hi,

I tried to add a (to Wikipedia) new subject, but it was refused (by Sarah Stierc) due to lack of independent references. I did include two (from each other) independent references describing the topic, but not independent to the topic (obviously - am I miss understanding something here?). She also seem to pick on the topics relevance and as far as I am concerned the subject of the topic (Tune Method) is, although not that spread (til now), the only objective, reliable and repeatable method for judging musically relevant differences.

I have some 25 years of experience in the field although not professionally (more than occasionally).

Regards,

90.227.189.138 (talk) 08:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at the draft the issues I see with it are a) it doesn't really explain to me what the Tune Method is, how it works and what is accomplishes and b) although there are references, one at least isn't independent as it is from the organisation who have a trademark registered for Tune Method. Ideally what is needed here is something written about the method by someone who has no commercial interest in it, something neither current reference has. NtheP (talk) 18:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, 90. We are glad you want to help build Wikipedia. Just so you know, I am writing this prior to reading your article, but what I have to say really doesn't depend on what your article says. The single hardest things for me to understand when I started here had to do with notability and verifiability. Strange as it may sound, truth is not the most important thing in a Wikipedia article. What you can prove is true, or verifiability, is. Also, the usefulness or importance in your field of any thing, no matter what it is, is not the big thing. The big thing is that independent secondary reliable sources, such as newspapers, magazines, or books have noticed your thing. That is notability. Without those two things, you do not have an article. We want you to continue editing here, as it really is fun to be a Wikipedia editor (which you already are, BTW). There are plenty of folks around here that will do anything they can to help us as we grow as Wikipedia editors. Think I'll go read your article now, and if I have any specific suggestions, I'll drop you a note on your talk page. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Gtwfan52 wrote: "The single hardest things for me to understand when I started here had to do with notability and verifiability. Strange as it may sound, truth is not the most important thing in a Wikipedia article. What you can prove is true, or verifiability, is".

How true! I'm a new here too. I am just beginning to grasp these 2 concepts. I think for beginners, the sooner they can let these 2 concepts take hold, the better. Otherwise, they will for sure be getting burned and be frustrated. Showmebeef (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

published story

Have created a page recently but edited the content not on sandbox, now the page is live, would this be prorblem?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dubaitennis

there appears a note on top of the page saying its written like an advertisement but we feel it is not. cna you pls assist to remove the note Dubaitennis (talk) 13:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Dubaitennis, and welcome to the Teahouse! There are just 3 things I want to say:

1. The article is still on your user page, so it isn't quite "live" yet.

2. I notice the advert tag has been removed. I'm afraid it is still written like an advertisement, but I won't retag it as it's still in userspace.

3. Your use of the word "we" and your username suggest that the account is being used by more than one person and that you are editing promotionally. Both are discouraged per the username policy. You might have to change your username and make sure only one person has access to the account.

Hope this helps! A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 18:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

How do I put the Self-organizing page right. I was editing.

How do I use the undo facility Soler99 (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Soler! You can "undo" an edit by clicking on the (undo) button in a page history / difference between revisions. For more information see Help:Reverting#Undo. benzband (talk) 16:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Soler99, and welcome to the Teahouse! Using the 'undo' facility is as easy as clicking on the word 'undo' in page histories or differences interfaces. However, it can only undo one edit at a time, and it seems you've made many edits to the Self-organization page. What I personally use for reverting many edits is installing Twinkle, then opening up a differences interface between the article as it was before the change you're not happy with and any one after that, then clicking 'Restore this version' above the old revision. Hope this helped! A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 16:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I found it very helpful. I must learn to use the resources of the TeaHouse more regularly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soler99 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Sidebar template

I'm still working in my sandbox and I added a template for a sidebar. Now I can't figure out how to get back into that template to edit it. There are edit buttons on every section but that one.JoanB5020 (talk) 15:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Joan, welcome to the Teahouse. To edit the infobox template you have at the top of the article you need to click the edit button at the top of the page and open the entire page for editing. But you can go into My Preferences -> Gadgets -> Appearance and enable the option called "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" this will put and extra [edit] button on each page so you can treat the lead section like any other section. NtheP (talk) 17:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I'm truly a greenhorn at this but I'm trying to learn. I'm working on my citations now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoanB5020 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

How do I get rid of messages on top of article.

I created a new page an I have a message at the top saying This article has an unclear citation sources and that it needs to be Wikified. I made changes an think I now meet the wiki standard, but message still there. Can someone help me please? Louki23 (talk) 15:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Louki23. Lots of new users have this question, and thankfully the fix is easy. If you think you've fixed the problems with the article noted in the message, you need to remove the "template" that creates the message. For example, if you are seeing:The template {{Wikify}} has been deprecated since 25 August 2012, and is retained only for old revisions. If this page is a current revision, please remove the template.

that text is generated by a template that looks like this: {{Wikify}}. If you find and remove that template, the little box will go away. More details on using templates can be found at the page Help:Template. Does that all help answer your question? --Jayron32 15:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

publised article

have recently publised an article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mcolm however, there appears on top of page that its 'written like an advertisement'. the story is wrten in good way, can you please help to ahve that note removed. Please advise what to do195.229.74.120 (talk) 14:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• It's based on how the article is written. Terms like "excelled" go against Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Also, the article needs more references to show that this individual is notable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Also also, you should only use one account at a time; using accounts like User:Mcolm and User:Dubaitennis at the same time could be a violation of the rules about multiple accounts, which is called sockpuppetry. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Problem with another editor

An editor stated his political opinion on Talk:Romanian presidential impeachment referendum, 2012. I tried to explain as gently as I could that this is not the place and linked to help pages. Now, he is insulting me (both there and on my talk page) What is the right course of action? Did I do anything wrong in this case? Silvrous (talk) 13:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Silvrous and welcome to Wikipedia! I think it's great that you're trying the best you personally can to be polite and respectful in these discussions. As for resolving the content disagreement, opening a Request for Comment may be helpful, as it brings in views from a diverse range of Wikipedians to help resolve the conflict. If you feel that this other editor is not being nice to you on your talk page, I think it's okay to leave a short and nice note asking to keep discussion on the article talk page, if at all possible.

Best of luck and enjoy your stay at the Teahouse! -- Lord Roem (talk) 13:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible to redefine JEATH ?

The article about JEATH museum refers to its name being an acronym for the "nationalities" involved, e.g Japanese, English,Australian,Thai and Holland. 1. Holland is not a nationality, (but they used to be called "Hollanders") 2. This can be corrected by replacing the word "nationalities" with people whose country of origin is "Japan,England, Australia, Thailand and Holland". 3.The British forces were not all English (4 nations in Britain) but the acronym has been set in stone now literally; so another way to correct this is to refer to "Armed forces sent from England" in the definition of JEATH. 4. The deaths were British (from England), Australian, American, Thai, Dutch (from Holland or now Netherlands) Indian and Canadian. No Japanese deaths attributed to building the bridge so there should be a distinction between those "involved", be they masters or slaves? 5. Can the definition of JEATH be modified along the lines I have suggested? For accuracy and fairness?112.210.218.235 (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi 112, if you spot an obvious error or innacuracy in an article you are encouraged to go ahead and amend it. Remember to explain what you've done in the edit summary. Sionk (talk) 12:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! From what I can see, the article is not protected, so any editor, both anonymous and registered, can edit the page. Your changes you propose are very valid, so you can add them to the article only with reliable sources. Hope this helps! -- Luke (Talk) 12:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Help with my page

First: I titled it wrong: Bob's_Park,_Jessup,_Maryland instead of Blob's Park, Jessup, Maryland Second: I cannot get the coordinates to mark on the map. Can someone fix my title mistake, as well as point me to how to put a mark on the map with coordinates? I apologize, in advance, if this is the wrong place for these questions. LarryGrim (talk) 03:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Larry, thanks for stopping by The Teahouse. You've come to the right place. For your first problem, you can WP:MOVE the article to the correct name. I can take care of that. (Nevermind, Jayron32 took care of it-- thanks!) I'm not sure how to do coordinates myself, but I think you can check out templates over at WP:COORD (Can another user help with this second point?). I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 03:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Jethrobot, he asked the same question at Wikipedia:Help desk and I fixed it there before I knew he asked it here. --Jayron32 04:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. The move question was for the Teahouse, but the map question was for the map gurus. Both came out, fixed them, and also showed me how to do it myself. Thank you. LarryGrim (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad I checked these FAQs even if this isn't related to my problem. I thought Blob's Park had closed and am glad to hear it reopened, especially as Octoberfest season's near. Thanx. Jweaver28 (talk) 04:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Licence for Logo

Hi there, I've been trying to load a logo of a Film School for a page I'm writing. I requested and received the Logo from the Film School itself. But Wiki has all these questions about the licence, and this and that. Naturally there isn't a box: 'I got it from the Film School'. Any suggestions? Thanks SamCardioNGO (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse. Unless you have permission from the copyright holder within the school (not just anyone in the school I'm afraid) then the best way of using the logo is under the Non-free use rationale guidelines. Upload the image here but instead of a licence use the template {{Non-free use rationale logo}} explaining where you got the logo from, why you are using it etc. Note that if you intend to use the logo on more than one article you must add a fair use rationale for each article. NtheP (talk) 22:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

No Original Research

I'm doing some work on an orphan article on an early 20th century opera singer Elizabeth Amsden, for whom there were no birth and death dates listed. I found her obituary in the New York times and so have established that she died July 19, 1966 and will add that info with the citation. I was curious about her birth date (neither of the two references already listed had a birth date for her) and after some poking around, I found info that shows she was born October 9, 1881 as Hattie Josephine Amsden (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F4YY-4BF). I'd really like to include her birth date but I fear it may be in violation of WP:NOR since the information doesn't appear in what WP refers to as secondary sources AND I had to do a little genealogical digging to establish this. I'm working on getting my head around the premise behind NOR and the reliance on secondary sources but it seems a shame to leave this info out altogether since it's unlikely that her birth date will appear in a secondary source anytime soon. Thoughts? Mfbjr (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mfbjr, thanks for raising this! I'm pretty sure the 'digging' in the births transcripts is original research. Like you say, the birth date has not been published in reliable secondary sources. At the moment there is nothing to connect Elizabeth Amsden to the name Hattie Josephine Amsden and (though the name is not common) there is nothing to confirm that the Hattie Josephine Amsden in the transcribed Massachussetts births records is the correct person. All the same, well done for finding her obituary - I'm sure the information contained there will be a useful addition to Wikipedia! Sionk (talk) 17:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Mfbjr—I think an important consideration is whether or not another editor is going to contest the information you are considering adding. Also you would want to ask yourself how reliable you really feel the information is. If you are 100% confident in the information (concerning the birth date) and if you feel it is unlikely that any editor could challenge that information, then in my opinion adding it might be preferable to omitting it, but perhaps it is also possible to use wording when adding that information that leaves open the possibility that it can be incorrect. That might include mentioning the source of that information, using wording such as such-and-such indicates (or "suggests") that the date of birth was…. Bus stop (talk) 17:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks all for the helpful comments. I think that in this particular case (I'd have to show how I determined that Elizabeth was born Harriet Josephine in 1881- however confident I am about it) - adding the birth date wouldn't be in keeping with the WP ethos. I've left the info as a comment on the photo on the Library of Congress's Flickr site in the hope that the library's cataloging staff will review it, verify it, and add the info to the image's metadata. Again, many thanks! 20:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

How do I re-submit an article?

I've had my article turned down twice, which is cool. I'm willing to keep trying. The problem I'm having is the resubmit tab is now missing. What could be the problem? The article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kasey_Lansdale. PKDASD 12:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PKDASD (talk • contribs)

Hello, PKDASD, and welcome to the Teahouse! It looks like the page has been moved to article talk space, and it shouldn't really be there. I'll move it back to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kasey Lansdale, which is where it was originally was and should be. I can't move the page myself; I have to ask an administrator at WP:Requested moves. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:43, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like GB fan has moved it and it's up for review again. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 17:19, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Contributions

For my Contributions, what due the -red and +green numbers mean? I understand that the green is good and red is bad, but what are they for? Thank you. Eskimopie300 (talk) 03:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Eskimopie300, and welcome to the Teahouse! The red numbers mean the amount of characters ("letters and numbers" to you and me) that have been removed in the edit, and the green ones are the number of characters that have been added in the edit. This happens to everybody's edits, and it helps to track how much information is added or removed, so we can see if huge amounts of content have been added or removed. Hope this helped! A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 04:57, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the number is really how much the article has grown or shrunk; for example if you remove 100 characters and add 50, the number will be (-50). A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 08:31, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on new article

Hi there, I was just looking for some feedback on this article to see what else might be required to get it ready for submission for approval? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:G2003/International_Gay_and_Lesbian_Aquatics G2003 (talk) 14:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

G2003, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. A quick look and it's looking good, a slightly wider range of sources would improve it (that's just to counter any suggestions that Gay Star News isn't a Wikipedia:reliable source) but the inclusion of local press is good. You've included some terms which refer to Wikipedia articles like this - Out To Swim[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_To_Swim], if you change this to [[Out To Swim]] it will change the links to Wikipedia:Wikilinks. NtheP (talk) 14:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I changed the Wikilinks and did a few minor edits. I understand Nthep just showing you how to do it, though; it's useful to know. It looks like a useful and informative basic article on the topic. Eau (talk) 01:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Also you can add this category: [[Category:LGBT sports organizations]] to the bottom of the article page right before you make it live. Eau (talk) 01:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks everyoneG2003 (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Simple way to cite National Register of Historic Places?

The template { {CRHP|17701|Nanticoke National Historic Site of Canada} } comes up nicely with links as Nanticoke National Historic Site of Canada. Canadian Register of Historic Places. Is there an equivalent way to cite the US National Register of Historic Places? NRHP templates do something else entirely. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi StarryGrandma! I think {{t|NRISref}} is what you are looking for. I've used it on some NRHP sites myself. Ryan Vesey 18:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ryan. I'm trying to replace NRISref in a citation at Pico House. It just goes to a general information page {{NRISref}}, not the detail page for Pico House. I can always write a long citation, but I ran into the Canadian form and thought it was cool. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been having the same problem now that I think about it. For some reason the NRHP site doesn't support Deep links. I think the best that can happen is a source to the main page in the URL. Ryan Vesey 19:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The NRHP site doesn't produce a nice detail page the way the Canadian site does. That may be the real issue - nothing to deep link to. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Doncram is one of our experts on NRHP and may be helpful.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, yes, the NRHP National Register Information System (NRIS) database is a downloadable database, and IMHO there's not anything better to connect to, for information from that database. It is quite reasonable for StarryGrandma and others to question what the standard NRIS reference using {{NRISref}} should display though. It quite possibly should not give a link where it does, as the link just is where you can download the entire database, which is generally not useful for Wikipedia readers. To discuss, probably comment at Template talk:NRISref with mention at Talk page of the NRHP wikiproject, at wt:NRHP.

StarryGrandma, I see you found your way to the full NRHP nomination document for the historic district in which the Pico House is included. The full NRHP nom docs have only just recently become available online for California NRHPs. I expanded the reference to also include a link to the accompanying photos PDF. Nice work with the article! --doncram 16:55, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks doncram. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 01:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks doncram for the addition of the photos. I will take the template question to the NRHP project as suggested. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:18, 26 August 2012 (UTC)