Talk:Princess Mononoke

Translations

The subsection "Translations" mentions that "there are no terms for words like Shishigami in English". It would be great if somebody could elaborate on that word a bit. I failed to find any information about "Shishigami", that is not related either to Mononoke or to "Bang Shishigami", another anime character.

134.155.176.21 (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Running time

I just watched a recording from free-TV and the movie did not get anywhere close to the 134 minutes stated in the factsheet. Including the credits it was around 131 min but still had some one-spot commercial breaks (maybe 2-3 min total). Are there different versions? 139.18.183.181 (talk) 22:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

See here. 134 min according to IMDb AgadaUrbanit (talk) 22:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It's probably because the TV version was edited for time/content. The DVD itself lists the runtime as 134 minutes, so that's the figure we go with. —Farix (t | c) 23:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Forest Spirit is not kirin.

original is shishigami N88282 (talk) 19:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Stupid localization. boar-demon(祟り神) and forest spirit(シシ神) is kami.

A cultural meaning of Japan is disturbed. 220.104.48.146 (talk) 09:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Having the Japanese voice-actors listed in the plot section

In the plot section, we have the Japanese voice actor's name beside each character. However, as this is the English Wikipedia, wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the English dub actors listed? I understand that the Japanese version is the 'original and authentic', and I know that some of the more committed fans prefer the Japanese dub, but still, I'm thinking in terms of the wider audience here. I would expect that more people are familiar with Gillian Anderson and Claire Danes than... those other folks. Vranak (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Went ahead with the changes. Vranak (talk) 13:53, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

GA push?

All right. I am thinking about getting this article up to GA. I am currently working on it in my sandbox. Here's what we need to do for now:

• Lead section - needs to be expanded to three-four paragraphs and heavily rewritten to comply with WP:MOSFILM#Lead.
• Plot section - looks good, well between the recommended 400-700 word range for WP:FILMPLOT.
• Production section - needs to be heavily reorganized to include the history and origins of production, as well as the localization section, which must be rewritten as well. We can merge the soundtrack section within the production section with details on how Joe Hisaishi created the music.
• Reception section - needs to be heavily reorganized as well and renamed Release, with box office results first, then the critical reception (we can expand it with other notable critic reviews from Japanese and English source like the LA Times and NYT), and then the accolades section (we can use the table format as well). Also, the home media section should be created.
• Copyedit - this article needs to undergo an extensive copyedit.
• Sources - we may also need more Japanese sources, including documentaries, interviews and animation history for production information. Also, we can use "The Art of Princess Mononoke" book as a source. Since fansites are generally not reliable sources, apart from Nausicaa.net, they should be removed and replaced with the appropriate reliable sources.

All are welcome to assist in this process. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:19, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Via WorldCat.org, here are some sources I found: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Via Google Scholar, additional sources: 7 and 8. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Production

I am going to work extensively on the production section. The soundtrack section can be merged with the section, and can be also expanded upon as well with the history and studies regarding the film's motifs (i.e. the environmental themes and motifs). For example, the documentary for Princess Mononoke can be used as a source. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:47, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I suggest avoiding the quotes and copy edit it.Lucia Black (talk) 19:48, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

That will also work. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Lead

For the lead section, I think we should simply summarize the article as a whole per WP:LEAD. Per WP:MOSFILM#Lead, we should first begin this section with the year, nationality, genre and director. Then, we should mention the starring roles (in this case, voice actors) and the premise. The next couple of paragraphs should include the development information and history of the English localization. Then, we should mention the release dates, the reception of the film and awards they have made. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Leave plot section, it's good now. But in preambule as I told on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film, we don't need plural repetition of cast. We need there "chief" voice stars (like voices of Ahitaka and San, if you will be adding it, but I still think that it's unnecessary by common sence). Awards too, too many of them, only if pick out the most significant and important. Production section... authoritative sources are necessarily if will write motifs like environmental and so on. "Anon with IP" 12:57, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I am fine with mentioning the main voice cast members in the lead section. The infobox is another way to summarize the information and will tend to overlap with the details in the lead section. With film as a visual medium, the front-end (starring actors, live or voice) is consistently mentioned. The back-end (crew members) depends on the film; the director is pretty much always mentioned, but a person like the cinematographer may only be mentioned if the article discusses substantial contributions. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Plot

The plot looks good, and is in the recommended the word count of 400-700 worda per WP:FILMPLOT but I think it may need some rewording as well as trying to keep it straight to the point without being too excessively detailed. Also, I think the Japanese words for the demon and Forest Spirit should be added. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 14:55, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not against adding Japanese words. But about "boar-demon"... he is not demon, he is exactly controlled by demon. So I think we need to rewrite to "A boar controlled by demon attacks an Emishi". You undo and say that's "excessive detail, just boar-demon should do", but really this is fact from the article object, wikipedia needs to be authentic, don't it? So I think my edit is right and you should return it. Thanks.

Overall I will attend to improve plot section, deleting some of excessive and unnecessary details, improving trustworthiness and some other. You please concentrate on production section and else. If we want to make this article a GA... "Anon with IP" 15:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I know. I will also try to help out in the plot section and several sections here as well, in addition to trying to help make it accurate as possible without going overly detailed. Even if some things in the plot section are facts, we should keep unnecessary details out and trivial information, and just because people say something on Wikipedia does not mean it's always true. Also, while some parts of the film just take up a large amount of runtime, it is not essential to understand the plot coherently. Also, just to clarify, we don't own any aspect of the articles. Make sense? Also, if we can change the wording of the film's ending regarding San and Ashitaka, there is a reliable source we can use: Roger Ebert's review, and I quote "There is a remarkable scene where San and Ashitaka, who have fallen in love, agree that neither can really lead the life of the other, and so they must grant each other freedom, and only meet occasionally." This review does not violate WP:OR and is a reliable source, even though the film itself is a primary source. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Could "a giant demon-possessed boar" be a compromise? Erik (talk | contribs) 20:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that would make more sense. I am changing it to reflect that. Hope this helps. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:08, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Sjones23, sorry, but you act so limited... Thank you, Erik, if this user don't listening to others because of prejudices.

I'm against "Roger Ebert's review" in plot. You can add it to "Reception" section, but not in plot. Coz it's only his opinion and what is more I even think it's really not correct, he is wrong. I'm undoing this edits. And some disputable and excessive recent edits by anonym user too. "Anon with IP" 12:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Citations

All of the dead citations have been replaced, but all of the references should be archived so we don't lose anymore. For example, [www.webcitation.org WebCite] is a good tool for this. Just follow the instructions, it easy and takes only minutes. Then add the archived url and the archive date to the citation with the parameters |archiveurl= and |archivedate=. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 11:44, 14 September 2012 (UTC)