Talk:Naihe

Unsourced material removed

An anonymous user added some material without any sources. One interesting tidbit might be useful to persue:

Naihe's family gravesite is said to be in Waiapuka, Kohala. Near Kamehameha I's favorite swimming hole known to many as Kamehameha Pond.

Even if something is "known to many" we need a source. I will look.

http://kanakagenealogy.wordpress.com/kanaka-stories/pololu-kohala-short-story/ is a blog, will keep looking W Nowicki (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I did replace the name explanation with a source of the Hawaiian Dictionary, but other claims need sources. Please do not remote sources without discussing why first. W Nowicki (talk) 19:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: Are you for real? Waiapuka was one of the 3 city of refuges on the Island of Hawaii: Kona, Hilo (bay front) and Kohala = making a triangle for rest and refuge. The source is our history passed down orally from generation to generation. Do you see anything in books about Kamehameha's favorite swimming hole in Waiapuka? Only in an OHA article was this printed information provided by my grand aunt, and well known revered Kupuna Marie Solomon. Her husband was my father's mother's half-brother. I am birth a Naihe. My legal surname is Naihe Laxton. You must remember that it is said that Elis was a friend of Naihe, but it is not true. In the book Father Bond of Kohala by Elis, he said that Naihe had a heiau - WRONG! We never had a heiau here in Kohala. It was a fishing shrine that he referenced was a heaiu belonging to us. When Elis was told of some sacred sites here in Kohala, the hawaiian that told him was burned to a stake by 1 of 2 well known Kahuna that protected a sacred site here in Kohala and his surname was changed due to his pilikia. I AM a descendant of Naihe. You and your books and research is HEWA! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.110.85 (talk) 09:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes, I would not be trying so hard to preserve this history in good faith with a neutral pont of view if I was not truly concerned. Now as for the nature of reality, that is a more profound discussion! :-) Now back to Naihe, the guidelines for Wikiedia do allow people with potential conflicts of interest, as long as the edits are done carefully and disucssed as we are doing now. I certainly agree that Ellis got a number of things wrong; he was only there for a quick visit for example so if there are outright mistakes we should set them straight. I am an outsider too so will admit ignorance.

I cannot find any claim of a "heiau in Kohola" in the article so am confused about your comment about that. So did this Naihe have children (e.g. with Kapiʻolani or another wife before Kapiʻolani ?) or is Naihe a family name as was often common shared among relatives? The only Waiapuka I can find in this lookup from Mary Kawena Pukui and Elbert "Place Names of Hawaiʻi" which is the official state source, is the one on Oahu. If you have something written on the Waiapuka in Kohala that would be great.

Note that sources do not have to be "books". See the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. I know it is time consuming, but getting even a short article published in even the "West Hawaii Today" for example, or better yet the Hawaiian Journal of History would be greatly appreciated. Even Ka Wai Ola for example - I looked there but could not find it. Do you have a date or volume number? It seems only the last two or so are online. Your patience is appreciated, Mahalo for Kōkua. W Nowicki (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace

What source say he was born in the Kona district? Wouldn't he had been born in the Hilo district since his mother and father were joint=rulers of Hilo?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)