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February 29, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 16, 2011.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that according to one critic, Rihanna appeared to be "channelling" Swedish singer-songwriter and rapper Neneh Cherry on "Cockiness (Love It)" in a "pseudo-melodic" impersonation?

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DYK nomination

Genre

Are we going to decide on a genre?--Jakeriederer (talk) 01:42, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. Critics have not specifically said a genre. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 10:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Background section

I totally support the IP address that removed the background. It is useless in the article cause it even not mentiones "Cockiness". — Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 21:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

This song has no notability, except that its sung by Rihanna. It charted within the lower half of US and UK charts, and its reviews are taken from the album's reviews so they can be included on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.94.225 (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It passes notability. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 02:34, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~No it doesn't. How does it pass WP:GNG with 10 secondary sources and 8 KB? This is better off merged with Talk That Talk. Sorry.~~ —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 02:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where else do you think reviews will come from?? Album reviews for songs are perfectly acceptable and it has charted on multiple charts. Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 03:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks a lot better now. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 04:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

When a song has gained position in mainstream music charts, it is considered notable per WP:NSONGS. Therefore this song deserves its own article. Yours faithfully, Kotak kasut. 03:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For expansion

Calvin • ^{Watch n' Learn} 05:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. I have never seen most of this sources being used on Wikipedia. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:02, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you have already added the links. Lol. You are fast. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 07:16, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sampling

Hey guys, I want to ask a question regarding this song. It contains samples from Greg Kinnear's performance of "Summertime" in the 2003 film "Stuck On You" right? If yes, should the statement be included in the article? I'm asking this out of curiousity, please don't be harsh *gulps*. Thanks! Yours faithfully, Kotak kasut. 12:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is any mention of a sample in the booklet? By law you have to state it if you have sampled a song. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 12:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answer Calvin! Yours faithfully, Kotak kasut. 12:50, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 12:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Location of the recording

Hello,

The Place where the song is recorded, it's strange. It's really write on the liner note Sofitel Paris Le Faubourg, Room 538 ?

Tk You Mikani (talk) 17:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 21:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Calvin, it's funny. Mikani (talk) 08:34, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cockiness (Love It)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 00:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will be taking this review. As this is my fourth or fifth review for this nominator, he should know what to expect. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
	1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	~~See below~~ Good
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Good
	2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Good
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	~~See below~~ Good
	2c. it contains no original research.	Good
	3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Good enough for me
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Good
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Fine
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Per definition
	6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Good
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Good
	7. Overall assessment.	Pending

Comments

1a
Lede

Why is Mr. Bangladesh linked two times in the same sentence? Also, how are we supposed to refer to him? Is Mr. used every time in reliable sources, or do they shorten to Bangladesh?
His production name is Mr. Bangladesh, regardless of how critics refer to him. Unlinked Crawford. Aaron • ^{You Da One}
I'd suggest splitting the lede into two paragraphs, one for production and one for the song and reception.
Done. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

Background and conception

Once again, why is Mr. Bangladesh linked twice?
Unlinked Crawford. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

2b

What makes DJ Booth a reliable source? Cultureblues?
DJ Booth is perfectly reliable for GA. The critic, Nathan, has a BA in Journalism and Creative Writing. DJ Booth is not reliable for FA, which this article will not become. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

I don't get how something can be reliable enough for GA but not reliable enough for FA. Regarding the credentials, I have a BA in Indonesian lit, but that doesn't automatically make me a reliable critic for works such as Sitti Nurbaya. I tried looking at RSN, but there was nothing on DJ Booth. Also, what about Cultureblues? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Booth is used in other GAs, it's acceptable. I know, I don't understand how something can be reliable for GA and not FA, but that's FAC for you! I'm pretty sure Culture Blues is reliable. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 01:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked at RSN. I will add a question about Culture Blues. Of course, for this to pass immediately we could just remove the reviews until the RSN thread is finished. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:04, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not worried about it passing at this very moment in time lol. I don't mind waiting. Aaron • ^{You Da One}

Alright, hopefully they don't... well, I've had bad experiences with RSN. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback was that DJ Booth is okay for a review but cultureblues should probably not be used. (here) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removed CultureBlues. Aaron • ^{You Da One} 23:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not much this time around. Just a couple fixes and we should be good to go

Thanks ~~

Paraphrasing checks fine. Spotchecks on three sources above also fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And that's a wrap. Congrats! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Aaron • ^{You Da One} 00:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have access to Billboard.biz?

To see if the song charted on the Bubbling Under R&B/Hip Hop chart? Aaron • ^{You Da One} 17:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Live performances

Rihanna performed Cockiness (Love It) for the first time at Radio 1's Big Weekend on June 24, 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.79.31.55 (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional Single

Being that a new lead single is going to be released simultaneously, and there are clearly no radio adds, I see this as a promotional single rather than a single itself.

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+== Promotional Single ==
+Being that a new lead single is going to be released simultaneously, and there are clearly no radio adds, I see this as a promotional single rather than a single itself.