Talk:Phil Coulson

Sandbox. --Boycool42 (talk) 13:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Reference for use

Just came across this and thought it might be useful.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Alt, Eric (2011-09-02). "Clark Gregg: Marvel Movies' Man of Mystery". WNBC. Retrieved 2011-09-02.

Thanks. I used the source to expand several areas of the article, but it may need a little copyediting. --Boycool (talk) 01:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Agent Coulson is a Skrull?

I've seen rumor rumblings that Coulson will be revealed to be a Skrull in the Avengers film. Supposedly, when he voices "the Principal" in the Spider-Man film, he'll be his Skrull self literally posing as the Principal. Now, I gotta ask... has anyone seen any actual evidence of this? I'm curious. -- 4.88.8.86 (talk) 04:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Just rumors so far. --Boycool (talk) 13:54, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

616 update.

It might be worth noting that he will appear in a 616 Marvel comic. ;) http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=38336 Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Iron Man 3

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Avengers Spoiler Alert----------

I was about to delete his listing for Iron Man 3, but there was a request within the code not to do so. The evidence supporting his potential appearance in the film is from an interview with the actor. In the interview he says his character is not going to get killed in The Avengers and may even be in Iron Man 3. He says this in response to a rumor that his character WAS going to die in the Avengers. As his character IS killed does that not negate the whole gist of the conversation? He was clearly trying not to reveal the fate of his character which means any statements regarding future appearances cannot be counted on as accurate. As such, the entire notion of him appearing in Iron Man 3 should be removed from the article. 68.153.29.9 (talk) 22:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The source says that he's talked to them about being in Iron Man 3. Just because his character is killed doesn't mean that the actor couldn't be in the movie. EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

And, just because he was killed doesn't mean he's not coming back. There are some very, very unsubstantiated rumours that he might be returning as Vision. 50.68.44.163 (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

There are a few facts that could sway it toward saying he is not dead. First off, Hill noted the cards came from his locker, not his suit. So how did his blood get on them? Secondly, he was seen getting stabbed and slumping to the floor but we did not see paramedics call time of death; Fury says they did to give the team a kickstart. I know that I am reiterating what is already there but it makes me think....LMD?

The argument as to whether Coulson is / is not dead will continue until there is actual confirmation of his death / survival. While interviews with Gregg, and Whedon's history of apparently killing off beloved characters (only to later reveal they, in fact, survived), and the circumstances surrounding his apparent death (no on-screen confirmation, no direct statement that he is dead, only Fury relaying, via Comm, "they called it" (which, given Fury's pechant for lying in order to motivate, could be fabricated), it seems that Coulson may have survived the events of the film. However, without solid evidence either way, it should stay speculation. I'm sure confirmation of his appearance (or lack thereof) in Iron Man 3, Thor 2, etc. will come to light in coming months. Why not leave the listing for now, until true confirmation is given either way? I think that would be the best way to approach this. --74.113.64.100 (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I kind of lean the same way. Normally, I'd argue that the movie had enough of a death scene that we should list him as dead until the franchise depicts him otherwise. Certainly, no one within the movie considers the possibility that he lived. At best, we describe it as it happened in the movie, leaving it exactly as ambiguous as the movie made it but without explicitly hinting that he'd survived. That's "normally".

On the other hand, we have reliable sources (Gregg himself) talking about appearances in other movies. These could well be flashbacks, and the cast had every reason to avoid spoilers, so there's still no reason to believe that Coulson isn't dead. But this is a comic adaptation. The rule in comics is that No One Stays Dead. Any character death scene, no matter how explicit, has to be taken with a grain of salt. As a conceit of the genre, I think the wording as is, is fine. 131.96.13.213 (talk) 19:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

All of the reliable sources are from before The Avengers was released, so they will obviously say he will continue to appear in future films because otherwise it would make people start to wonder if something happens to him in The Avengers. I'm not saying he won't return in a future film (for all of the reasons already listed on how he could come back), but we should also remember to listen to those sources with a grain of salt because there is some intentional misinformation within them to not give away his death.

With that said, I would say that we leave it how it is now. It clearly describes what happened in The Avengers and it clearly states that possible appearances in Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 were talked about before The Avengers was released. It is accurate, simple, and does not include speculation. No changes should be made without a new reliable source. Spidey104 19:36, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Death

Fury never said that they called a time of death, he says coulson is down — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.35.193.130 (talk) 21:11, 19 May 2012 (UTC)