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I don't know, maybe it's because I've seen good edits come from some schools and school districts (including my alma mater), but I just don't understand why sysops these days drop 1 year blocks on schools and even colleges after single incidents of recent vandalism. Personally, I think it's a violation of the blocking policy, since I don't think the user at 208.67.34.233 had been adequately warned before it was blocked; although there are oodles of prior warnings, this ''is'' a shared IP and prior edits, good or bad, quite possibly could have come from a different person. Maybe it's just me, but if I were you, I would lift that block, or at least shorten it. [[User:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">PCHS-NJROTC</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages)</font>]]</sup> 01:31, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't know, maybe it's because I've seen good edits come from some schools and school districts (including my alma mater), but I just don't understand why sysops these days drop 1 year blocks on schools and even colleges after single incidents of recent vandalism. Personally, I think it's a violation of the blocking policy, since I don't think the user at 208.67.34.233 had been adequately warned before it was blocked; although there are oodles of prior warnings, this ''is'' a shared IP and prior edits, good or bad, quite possibly could have come from a different person. Maybe it's just me, but if I were you, I would lift that block, or at least shorten it. [[User:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">PCHS-NJROTC</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PCHS-NJROTC|<font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages)</font>]]</sup> 01:31, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

== DiveReport.com ==

Dear A.B,

You have blacklisted DiveReport.com from Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=divereport&prefix=MediaWiki+talk%3ASpam-blacklist&fulltext=Search+all+Spam-blacklist+archives&fulltext=Search Details] the site provides information regarding diving to see seasonal animals and as such is valuable and useful information for divers specifically. Typically visitors from wikipedia viewed 10+ pages and spent an average of 2min 20seconds on the website indicating that it is indeed information that Adds value.

Of course you can quote sales pitches from our Advertising page, most commerical website have a requirement to make money somehow - the issue really is weather the links were, or were not spam. In this case - the external links were placed on pages where DiveReport.com adds real value to visitors and is not information that can be got from anywhere else, even nearly as easily, online. The data is provided by local and highly authoritive experts at each location.

I strongly feel that these links were not spam, they impact our SEO in no-way what-so-ever as all links are no-follow from Wikipedia (which makes the section you quoted from our site irellevant).

I would kindly ask if they could be restored and DiveReport.com be removed from the Block list. Page editors from the 15 or so page which the external link was added to clearly saw the benefits of the information provided.

Best,

Catherine

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Thursday
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A quiz:

Spammers, friends and critics can't agree -- is User:A. B.:

A. "She (because clearly she's a bitch) is just doing her thing up in New Jersey. No one likes you, mother of three. No one." [1][2]
B. "Worst of all this user is very offensive to females." [3]
C. A stalker "from birmgingham england." [5]
D. A "lesbian feminazi."[6][7] … wearing her "undies in a bunch?" [8]
E. A "robot." [9][10][11]
F. Hiding a pornographic fire-parrot in Wikipedia's sandbox.[12]
G. Living in Minnesota, USA.[13]
H. Canadian, eh? [14] Tamil, no?[15]
I. A Yankee?[16] A Tennesseean?[17] A Yankee and a "Kerry freak"?[18]
J. In the American Air Force or maybe the Navy[19]
K. Just stupid.[20]
L. A kid sitting on a bean bag chair in Mom's basement eating Cheetos
M. A mom with a kid in the basement living on Cheetos
N. All of the above.
O. None of the above.
P. Somedays one, somedays another.

You decide.

•answer

Another question:


Who edits Wikipedia?
Answer


Note to self:


Greatoneiv

I've given the dude due oppurtunity, as listed in the talk page. It's not a POV issue, it's being wrong but choosing to be right - the info is incorrect, and it's impossible to prove his viewpoint for his favorite. Guy's also made up false cites after I offered to provide the info to him. Papacha (talk) 03:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Read your point of discussion... what consensus do you wish for us to reach? What he's done is belie the article over the course of this week, it's not unlike editing the Academy Award for Best Picture this year to go to The Help over The Artist. I'm all over diplomacy, but negotiation's a little short of impossible here. Admittedly sources could be muchly improved as they're gleaned from the yearly letter, but his edits are in no way arguable. Papacha (talk) 03:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look at:
  • Wikipedia:Vandalism
    • "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism. Careful consideration may be required to differentiate between edits that are beneficial, detrimental but well-intentioned, and vandalizing. Mislabelling good-faith edits as vandalism can be considered harmful."
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 03:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's not applicable. A fellow with the handle of "Greatoneiv" altering articles to favor the person he's nicknamed for in repeated fashion, then ignoring an offer to verify and creating a false source in lieu of evidence is purely bad faith. Papacha (talk) 03:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just leave a nice note on his talk page encouraging pointing him to our guidance for newcomers and telling him to take his proposed edits to the talk page? Take a look at WP:BITE. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 03:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey now, I'm neither bitey not pointy, only ornery at the moment. The last I'll say is I made an offer to intercede, guy was silent on the matter and copy/pasted a ref from '94 to source his edit in '99. I don't believe an indefinite ban was in the offing, but I feel you aver him too much credit despite proof to the contrary. Papacha (talk) 04:29, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RadioFan

RadioFan would NOT make a good admin. Have a look at the number of his withdrawn deletion nominations: it's atrocious, well below 50% of his proposed AfDs when last I checked. This problem of overeager blocking of supposed vandalism is a recurrent problem. 74.109.40.124 (talk) 04:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re 98.185.48.50 and the Ica Stones

The Ica Stones are a fringe topic and draws a lot of errors. The IP address was fairly close to that of another editor who had been causing continual problems with the article. As 98.185.48.50 started up shortly after 98.185.55.83, I (and I'm fairly certain Dougweller) had assumed it was the same individual on a different computer. I am aware of WP:BITE, and do not always leave warnings, as I could have here (uw-nor), or here. I avoid leaving uw-advert warnings whenever someone adds a non-notable rum producer to the List of rum producers. I appreciate your concern for the site, but 98.185.48.50 (at the time it was editing the Ica stones article) was likely a sock for a tendentious editor. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I see the connection -- that other IP is also a Cox Communications address in Roanoke. Sorry to bother you -- you were right and I was wrong. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, glad to see someone WP:AGF. Ian.thomson (talk)

That IP sock

I just discovered that Meco reported this at WP:AIV without notifying me. Is there anyway of sorting this out - you removed it with [22] but it still says my block was unwarranted. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 06:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should I have notified you? I would gladly have done so if I had realized that to be desired, but I wouldn't know of any guidelines that suggest or explain why that should be done. __meco (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This all started with my mistake; I was ignorant of Special:Contributions/98.185.55.83. I've blocked the IP and made a note about the other IP address along with my block. As for the exchange of comments at WP:AIV, they've been erased, not archived on another page, so someone would have to wade through all the edit history for find that exchange. That's all I know to do at this point.
I have seen so many touchy-trigger-finger, BITEy reports at WP:AIV recently. It seems like more of a problem than it was in 2010 before I took a long Wikibreak. I guess I, in turn, had an overly touchy-trigger-finger reaction of a sort when I saw this WP:AIV report. The fact is, this IP was warned (by Ian.thomson) and blocked (by Dougweller) correctly the first time (in light of prior history with the other IP) and reported correctly to WP:AIV (by Meco) the second time.
Overall assessment: the villain in this was the IP and the chump was me.
Suggestion for the future: I have worked a lot with spammers who frequently change IPs and user names to avoid establishing an obvious pattern of multiple warnings; they get a uw-spam1 with one account, then another with a new IP, etc. Where we know this is going on, we've learned to list the other accounts as we warn the new ones so that folks can see the accumulated history. That might be useful in non-spam cases like this guy's, too.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 14:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For the benefit of others in tracking this person, I have left additional comments and the list of IPs at User talk:Rrrr5. This person should be blocked on sight; no additional warnings are required. Just be sure to include a note and a link to User talk:Rrrr5 when reporting an account to WP:AIV.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 14:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor

User talk:98.223.133.112. I was going to tag this talk page again and enter it in the vandal board. It doesn't seem like vandalism but more not knowing policies such as BLP etc. They may just need an admin to leave a note on there page. I had noticed you were active on the vandal board so I thought I would mention it to you. Feel free to delete/ignore/archive this if it is trivial.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll take a look. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 00:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
His edits may or may not be problematic but they appear to be made in good faith and not blatantly vandalistic. We don't tag people as vandals unless it's clear that's what they really are; see WP:VANDAL for what we consider vandalism and what we don't. Likewise, that noticeboard is just for persistent clear-cut vandalism; see our Guide to administrator intervention against vandalism.
I think maybe this person just needs someone to work with them in an un-BITEy way to steer them on the right path.
I also left a note at User talk:Elizium23 asking for help (and patience).
Thanks for your help. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 00:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Poets' Corner Group

I note that my deletion edit was for advertising and lack of notability. The article was created by an editor with a spam username matching the article. I've blocked that account, although in a moment of weakness I've not blocked account creation under another name.

I accept that my tagging for notability was probably incorrect. The following options are available to us

  • Restore and redelete for advertising only
  • Do nothing
  • If you don't agree that the article was blatantly promotional, I could restore and prod or AfD instead

Let me know your thoughts, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents:
I vote for "restore with tags for fixing".
I agree it was created for promotional purposes but if it's notable, it's content we want. It was covered by 2 big Indian newspapers and some of the participants are notable. That's why I did not delete it myself but rather made the note on the article talk page asking that it not be deleted.
The author also created an article about the group's founder which others have tagged for a BLP-Prod. I suspect he was writing about himself.
Many our best editors start out with some sort of COI, not knowing it's against our rules. They write an article about their quasi-notable uncle or correct an entry about their employer. Handled tactfully and redirected a bit, they subsequently end up adding other, more neutral and useful content. This guy's a writer -- maybe we can recruit him to add to our topics on India and/or poetry.
In any event, thanks for keeping a wary eye out for junk and spam!
--A. B. (talk • contribs)
OK, I've restored and prodded. I don't think that just tagging is sufficient, given the nature of the first paragraph Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:39, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:70.79.75.159

I have undone the IP's excessive plot bloat at Chinatown (1974 film) which is far excess of guidelines, is detrimental to the article and bordering on a copyright violation (which is the reason the guideline exists). The IP is edit-warring and unflinching in disregard for the opinion of others apparently so I'm not sure why you are admonishing Old Jacobite for warning him, by my look seems the IP should have been blocked by now and they have a history of such action. I'm leaving this notice to let you know I disagree with your admonishment of someone trying to maintain that article in favour of someone trying to damage it and ignore the actions of those that try to prevent such. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback.
First of all, WP:AIV is not the place for reporting edit-warring but rather blatant vandalism.
  • That page has multiple statements to this effect such as:
    • "This page is intended for reports about obvious and persistent vandals and spammers only. Before posting here, please read the spam and vandalism pages, as well as the AIV guide."
    • "Important! Please remember the following: 1. The edits of the user you are reporting must be obvious vandalism or spam."
  • The Guide to administrator intervention against vandalism covers the same stuff in more detail
TheOldJacobite has been told this before.
Second, whatever the difficulties posed by this IP's behaviour, it's not vandalism. Our Vandalism Policy explicitly addresses this type of editing as "What is not Vandalism":
  • "Disruptive editing or stubbornness"
    • "Some users cannot come to agreement with others who are willing to talk to them about an editing issue, and repeatedly make changes against consensus. Edit warring is not vandalism and should not be dealt with as such. Dispute resolution may help. See also: Tendentious editing"
Third, we have all sorts of mediation, edit-warring board, dispute resolution processes, etc. where experienced editors can get independent, neutral editors to help them sort stuff out in a less draconian fashion. If necessary, a problematic editor may get blocked but usually that's not necessary.
I thought long and hard about how to deal with TheOldJacobite a productive editor who is nevertheless using WP:AIV inappropriately and seeming to get edgier and edgier in his dealings with others, not just IPs. That's one reason I took the time to write him a follow-up note asking for him to reconsider his approach to problem edits.
I'm an administrator that doesn't always get it right, however, so I will reflect on your comments. In the meantime, can I ask that you perhaps try to get the OldJacobite to kind of temper his actions and use other methods of resolving issues?
Thanks, --A. B. (talk • contribs) 18:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some relevant diffs (a bit out of sequence, I'm afraid):
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 18:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Roseneath Theatre

You wrote on the talk page: "Clearly notable[23]. Please do not delete."

I deleted it as a copyvio, and also because the link you referred to turns up nothing. I have also blocked the creator as a spamusername since the username is a violation of the user name policy.

If it is indeed notable, then I have no objection if you restore it. I didn't see it though. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Amatulic, I did not realize it was a copyvio -- you did the right thing to get rid of it.
I did a Google News Archive search and came up with many news article about the theater and/or about its productions. Here's an example. So it's a notable topic if someone wants to create a new, original article.
Thanks for taking care of these things. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 22:27, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, A. B.. You have new messages at TYelliot's talk page.
Message added 19:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

TYelliot | Talk | Contribs 19:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, A. B.. You have new messages at McDoobAU93's talk page.
Message added 22:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Talkback

Hello, A. B.. You have new messages at Zion1985's talk page.
Message added 20:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Thanx for response and teaching User talk:Almightyvegeta a lesson Zion1985 (talk) 20:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this editor will come to his or her senses but if not, they'll just have to be blocked. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 20:19, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stadium seating numbers

I see you and TYelliot are dealing with an IP, 129.15.131.141 (talk · contribs · count) that's making a number of edits to stadium articles you all keep reverting. I suggest you three get together and agree on how these article should look. If you 3 can't agree, then ask for some help from the appropriate Wikiproject (probably WikiProject College football). In the meantime, I see a lot of wasted effort on everyone's part. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PS I appreciate all your work on these articles -- you've really done a lot for our NCAA football content. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 20:43, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]


I'd be happy to work with this IP person however, looking at the way he/she has acted to other people trying to converse with them I'd be willing to guess they do not want to work with anyone. I am on thinking that this one was banded from this web site and does not want to reveal them self. I see a few of the same edits from the resent past on some of the NCAA Football. Some of the edits this one does is not bad however the part that is not wright in my mind is the way they seem to come up with old attance numbers and no sorse. The seating would not be so bad except they are the current numbers on past years not every year has the same seating, and AM PM instead of a.m. p.m. I realize this is not that bad. MDSanker 20:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thanks MDSanker 20:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks -- this makes my day!
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 21:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, A. B.. You have new messages at Jim1138's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thanks for all of your hard work, BTW. Jim1138 (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recent IP edits

Hello. Thank you for your message. I appreciate that some explanation is due. For months, if not years, a certain anonymous editor (with a very wide range of dynamic IP addresses at their disposal) has continually shown up in the revision histories of various Wikipedia biographies (usually about actors, most of them still living) to insert unsourced content relating to nationality, ethnicity and cultural background (and by so doing, repeatedly demonstrating a disregard for the guidelines at WP:BLPCAT and WP:CATEGRS). Alternatively, a superfluous parent category is added when a narrower and more precise subcategory is already included (for example, Category:African-American people is inserted alongside Category:African-American actors). The examples are endless, but the history of the Rick Aviles article (now semi-protected) perhaps best typifies the problem. The user is easy to identify from their editing pattern (a quick succession of edits, none of which includes an edit summary; at any rate, it is often the same set of articles every time). Such is the sustained level of disruption that, in my opinion, any assumption of good faith that may once have existed with regard to this editor has long since been exhausted. I am sure that this latest IP is simply another incarnation of the same person and that they know full well what my warnings are referring to. User:Ponyo has been instrumental in blocking (and, in some cases, range-blocking) when needed in the past and should be able to back up my statements here. SuperMarioMan 00:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for that late posting above - I was still typing after your second edit to my talk page. SuperMarioMan 01:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OfficialLiamHowlett

Now socking as User:Superchops, and can we please get the ogg and jpg files he keeps spamming CSDed of Commons? MSJapan (talk) 04:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

and 71.172.246.147 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) MSJapan (talk) 04:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've been off-line for several days; I'm sorry to be slow in repsonding. I've blocked the Superchops account. It appears someone on commons deleted 5 of the files -- are there any others?
Thanks for keeping an eye on this stuff!
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 17:48, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've also blocked the IP address. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 17:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't check every potential account, but I think that was all of them, as regardless of which sock it was, the uploads were all by OLH. What concerns me is that several of them had been there for weeks with obviously bad licenses. MSJapan (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The license issue is worrisome; I'm glad it seems to be taken care of now. Thanks for your work on this. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Belgian IP vandalism

Hello again. So, I've found another IP that is vandalizing the same sort of articles in the same manner again. Please check out the edits being made: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/81.165.147.6 -- Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 18:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to be slow in responding; I've been offline for a few days. Another administrator blocked that IP, but only for 48 hours (probably unaware of the history of the other IPs). I've noted the other IPs on that page. If that or a similar IP strikes again (and they probably will), please feel free to get me or another admin (if I'm unavailable) to block the account. Make sure they know this is an ongoing problem so they don't:
  • Expect to see multiple, escalating new warnings before blocking, and/or
  • "Under-block" any new account for too short a duration.
Thanks again for keeping an eye on this stuff!
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 17:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I've also noticed an IP who is vandalizing the same articles in the same ways as the other IPs: Special:Contributions/178.117.162.70 Thank you! --ThomasO1989 (talk) 14:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas, I'm sorry to be slow in replying; I've been away. I have blocked that IP and left a note for my Dutch counterparts. So far, here's the history I've put together for this person; all these IPs are registered to the Telenet ISP in Belgium:
English Wikipedia administrators have made 5 blocks to date.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 19:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, the vandal is attacking from a new IP: Special:Contributions/178.119.62.179. Thanks! --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:26, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

After warning User:24.56.44.192

You placed a warning on User talk:24.56.44.192 about uncooperative and non-consensus editing. I saw it because I placed a warning for genre warring at among other places this article against a hidden comment to specifically discuss changes on the talk page. The editor does not seem to be willing to discuss and the IP is sufficiently stable that a longer than normal anon block might be warranted. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Walter, I'm sorry to be slow in responding -- I've been offline for several days. I've blocked that IP. If it or another IP strikes again, please let me or another admin know. If it's another IP or account, make sure the blocking admin knows the history of this IP so that he/she doesn't:
  • Expect to see multiple, escalating new warnings before blocking, and/or
  • "Under-block" any new account for too short a duration.
Thanks again for keeping an eye on this stuff!
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 18:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Too late really for a cup of coffee!

Another blasted (edit conflict) ! So I thought you may not have noticed my closing post.

Ha ha! so am I. Post Script. It is the same with both IPs (not just the one, as you write above) and the warning process with STiki is automatic providing I have it checked "on". The developer, Andrew West, is working on revising this aspect. I understand he aims to give us more control. Thank you for being so concerned for me and being so charming.

Good night. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the nice note! --A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You earned and deserve it. Thank you! Sincerely -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Block Request

Hey AB, 173.81.186.166 is an IP hopper who has been previously blocked at 173.81.190.232 and 173.81.182.46. The former had a block last of 3 months, the latter was 6 months. All trace back to Suddenlink Communications in the Point Pleasant/Gallipolis, Ohio area. All edit television station pages exclusively and only their digital television sections. Could you please block 173.81.186.166 and do a range block on all the ranges of the IPs listed, please? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've blocked that one IP. I'm taking your word for it that all the IP's edits were vandalism even though it doesn't look like anybody was sufficiently troubled by them before to warn this person. I'm basing this in part on the history of the two other IPs.
I'm discinclined to block every cable TV subscriber in the greater Point Pleasant, WV area -- that's an area with a population over 50,000. Blocking them all seems like a draconian approach to the issue. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 04:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks on the single block, much appreciated. :) I figured the rangeblock would be out, but it doesn't hurt to check. Seems rangeblocks are hit and miss anymore and not a very effective way to block problem editors. Anywho, thanks again for your help. :) Take Care....Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dan James Pantone

Hi, A.B., if this article is not already on your watchlist, please look at the recent history, including the speedy delete, which I declined. My two biggest concerns are the conduct of the requester and whether any BLP violations exist in the article as restored to its state just before the requester blanked the article. The editing history of the requester (who was the original author of the article in 2006) is troubling. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've been away; I apologize for being slow in replying. I left a lengthy comment at:
I now wish I had supported deleting this article during its inconclusive 2006 AfD.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 19:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, A.B., I commented at BLPN specifically on the issue of WP:BLPCRIME.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Expressionism spam

Dealt with via the spam blacklist. Seemed easiest. Black Kite (talk) 23:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 23:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Carmelo Caruana

I believe the AfD is irrelevant as CSD applies (in my opinion). I did not realize you had already declined the speedy. Contested, sure - by the creator? There isn't any reason it can't be worked on in the userspace. This is a fairly common practice, no? Rjd0060 (talk) 13:07, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:
I don't read Maltese and don't know how to search the Maltese language press. My next steps were going to be:
I would not take these extra steps if I wasn't >80% confident that with a little Maltese language help, good references would be found.
This was a contested deletion. By my understanding of our processes, that means it's not a candidate for speedy deletion. See:
I do not understand what your urgency was in violating our own rules so rapidly. I would understand if there were a WP:BLP concern but to my knowledge "WP:BDP" is not a valid excuse for speedily deleting.
I spent probably 30-60 minutes researching and documenting this article and the best way to handle it. I take our content seriously, so I am frustrated that someone would so cavalierly overlook my edit summaries, my talk page comments, my AfD comments and Wikipedia's rules.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 13:32, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to restore it, of course... I'll just be blunt and say I just hope this doesn't turn into yet another "placeholder" until somebody comes along in 4 years to fix it up. Rjd0060 (talk) 22:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken the next steps that I was going to take before you deleted the article:
If any of these bear fruit, I will restore the article.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 05:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Collins

Please see [24]. WWGB (talk) 13:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected!
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 13:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

76.29.246.204

It looks like they're warring without addressing the problems anyways so I probably won't need AIV in the end after all; I just hate seeing all of these vandals tearing up articles knowing only a few check them (Chloe's Closet is a low-watched show in the first place, thus the lack of eyes on the articles to catch sneaky vandalism). Nate • (chatter) 01:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Warned at 23:49 (UTC), blocked by 01:00 -- that didn't last long. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

> Hello, I'm A. B.. I wanted to let you know that I removed an external link you added to the >page Spam in blogs, because to me it seemed inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I >made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or >take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. A. B. (talk • contribs) 12:35, 9 >September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Not wanting to disagree with you, but can you explain to me what is the difference between the linksleeve link and the mt-blacklist link and the one i posted (comment spam wiper)? I'm failing to see the difference. And maybe if you can explain it to me I can make the modifications to get my link approved.

Thank you, Alex Alextrout (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Itemirus (talk) 19:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you a bot?

If you aren't don't be offended. I'd just like to learn why did you put the shared IP template at my talk page in the first place.--94.65.32.228 (talk) 05:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not to my knowledge, but if I was one, would I be sufficiently self-aware to realize it?
You are not the first to wonder about this: User:A. B.#A quiz.
To your other question: I was reviewing talk pages of anonymous IPs who had recently received warnings looking for certain patterns involving vandalism from schools. I ran whois and geolocates on the IPs, then tagged the pages to identify the origins of the IPs. This is useful information for administrators since it can affect how they handle problems with anonymous users. Some schools are sources of nothing but childish vandalism ("Billie is gay", "Mary is a poop head", etc.); if they require blocking, their IP addresses are likely to be blocked for longer periods of time. Your shared IP tag was a byproduct of this effort.
Since you are editing Wikipedia from Greece, the cradle of philosophy, perhaps you can consider the question of self-awareness in bots while my masters put me in standby mode.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 11:41, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I live alone :(--94.65.32.228 (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being nosy...

Why did you post 'domain tracking data' on User talk:Dennis291? I've not seen anyone do that before. Peridon (talk) 20:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We sometimes do that with people that add spam. Spammers often use multiple user names or IP addresses, making it hard to know who's a repeat offender. By doing this, if Dennis291 tries to add that link again with a different account, as simple linksearch will reveal the earlier history at User talk:Dennis291. Dennis doesn't look like the hard-core spammer type, but as long as I was already looking at his page, I stuck that on there.
If you encounter spam in the future, I encourage you to do the same:
Those templates also provide links to some specialized search and information resources.
Thanks for asking!
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 20:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS, You're not related to a brilliant Dutch lawyer also named Peridon are you?
I encounter spam every day - it's my main area of operations... Only related to one lawyer that I know of, and she's in Scotland. Only alleged relation from the Low Countries was a Flemish riding school master (apparently in North Wales), but my grandmother could never give the exact relationship or dates. (She couldn't give details of the Black Stewarts of Paisley who weren't hung for sheep stealing, either. I've never found a trace of them.) I won't give the source of my 'Peridon' as I try to maintain anonymity here. It's not medicine or booze linked, though. Back to the spam - I don't block the IP if it looks like a one off in house job. If I suspect a commercial spamming operation, I do block the IP. Very few of my blocks seem to appeal. One at the moment is waxing indignant. I'm off to bed. I'll look at your thingy tomorrow. Peridon (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I almost never block spammers. They just shift IPs or accounts, making them harder to find. So I actually prefer not to block them.
What sometimes slows them down and more often stops them altogether is blacklisting their web site domains at WP:SBL. That's what I do with spammers. Any spamming that's bad enough to justify blocking is bad enough to blacklist. Spammers hate it, too. In some cases, it can also cause off-Wikipedia consequences (search engines sometimes look at our blacklists when doing their own linkspam investigations), so we don't do it at the drop of a hat. As a blacklisting administrator, I want the spammer to have seen at least 3-4 warnings before I do this to him. At that point, it's time to blacklist.
I used to be very involved with spam mitigation myself from about 2005 to 2010; I've cut way back on Wikipedia (and Meta) work since then. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 23:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Online?

Are you still online? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:42, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, dealt with now. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 09:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More eyes needed...

See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Joseph Berrios, once again. --Orlady (talk) 17:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look in the next day or two. Thanks for all your work on this. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 03:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Amsaim (talk) 08:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reconsider notability issue

Hello, A. B. Do you think you might reconsider the "notability" banner that you placed on the article Jonathan Peizer? I have beefed up the article substantially with sources like Wired, Fast Company, and one especially you might wish look at -- First Monday, which is a lengthy one-on-one interview with Peizer, by Geert Lovink. I'm worried that if we reject documentation of the earliest Internet pioneers, an important era in history -- indeed, even in Wikipedia's history, as the Open Society Institute funded the Wikimedia Foundation -- will be buried. Nutson11 (talk) 12:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think Mr. Peizer’s notability his marginal. If the article went to an Articles for Deletion discussion, the decision to delete this article could go either way. Looking at your references (the links associated with this list can be found at the end of the article):
  • Net puts Mongolia in touch with rest of world , The San Diego Union-Tribune, 19 August 2000
    • I don’t know what this says. Is it about Peizer?
  • Wikis Go Printable, Wikimedia Foundation press release, 13 December 2007
    • Doesn’t mention Peizer. Press release.
  • An Interview with Allen Gunn of Social Source Commons, NetSquared.org
    • Makes brief mention of Peizer.
  • Social Source Commons: History and Appreciations, SocialSourceCommons.org
    • Just one paragraph on Peizer. I don’t think the source is the type that’s used to establish notability anyway.
  • Philanthropy, Grants, and Fund Raising Resources, University of Pittsburgh library guides ("Capaciteria")
    • One paragraph description of Peizer’s web site
  • Careful, you're contagious, Times Higher Education, 31 October 2003, Martin Ince
    • Very reliable source (for notability purposes) — but just a passing mention at the end.
  • Important Book on Technology in the Social Sector], Beneblog: Technology Meets Society, Jim Fruchterman, 10 May 2006
    • Pluses: long enough article. Fruchterman himself is notable. Minuses: It’s from a blog. It’s a review of Peizer’s book, not about him.
  • Book reviews: The Dynamics of Technology for Social Change - Jonathan Peizer, Alliance magazine, Oliver Denton, 1 March 2007
    • Pluses: long enough article.Minuses: It’s a review of Peizer’s book, not about him. The magazine doesn’t seem notable: Alliance (disambiguation)
  • Sysop for Soros, Wired (magazine), Ben Greenman, June 2006
    • Pluses: Wired is a very reliable source. Minuses: The piece is brief. The piece is not about him. Plus: at least they’re interested enough to briefly interview him
  • My Favorite Bookmarks - Jonathan Peizer, Fast Company, Lisa Chadderdon, 31 December 1997
    • Pluses: Fast Company is a very reliable source. Minuses: The piece is tiny. The piece is not about him. Plus: at least they’re interested enough to ask him for several favorite links
  • FM Interviews: Jonathan Peizer, First Monday, Volume 4, Number 2, Geert Lovink, 1 February 1999
    • This may be your best shot. Reliable source. Long. On the other hand, it’s an interview, not about him. But then again, they’re interested in interviewing him. They’re not interested in interviewing me.
  • Adapt These Eight Resources for Your Next Foundation Grant Proposal, GuideStar, August 2011
    • Not much there — someone at Guidestar devotes a sentence to linking to his 20 tips.
At an AfD discussion a couple of intangible factors might bias some people even they shouldn't. First Mr. Peizer had an article previously deleted and the comments were pretty adverse: a “vanity article” with attempted sockpuppetry. Wikipedia editors viscerally dislike that sort of thing. They’re also wary of paid editors writing pieces for people and I think your newness here may raise suspicions that you’re working for Mr. Peizer; sorry to be blunt but you need to be ready for this. This is one reason I left those comments on the article talk page; while flagging the article’s issues, I didn’t want people to knee-jerk react to the article’s background and delete it as a non-notable, possible autobiography until you had more chance to work on it.
These are just my opinions; I strongly encourage you to raise these questions at Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard. You might reference this discussion so people can look at my bulleted list above and critique my points.
Finally, consider whether Mr. Peizer even wants an article. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Peizer had to have been a painful experience for him. Would he want you to potentially expose him to a repeat? Also, Wikipedia articles do get vandalized and otherwise turn into embarrassments; see:
After working on this project for 7 years, I’m not sure I would want an article!
—A. B. (talk • contribs) 23:39, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and initiated a discussion at:
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 23:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to MrFiveThirty

Agreed. I believe his idiocy should be kept off Wikipedia due to its own ridiculousness. It's not helping matters to make this at all "personal". Should I delete the message, or is the damage done and I just avoid that sort of thing in the future? Thanks for the heads-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 12:23, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: don't just walk away and don't erase your message either. Strike through what you already wrote and write in whatever you think is more appropriate now. You can use the bracketted s code to do this:
<s>example</s> produces example
That's been the best way I've seen people walk back comments they wished to retract.
That's my two cents. It's just so much easier for me to speak intemperately online than it is in person. I've never regretted retracting or apologizing for my comments around here when I've felt I spoke wrongly. I have, however, come to regret sticking to my guns out of pride even when I realized I was wrong.
Thanks for caring about this! --A. B. (talk • contribs) 22:43, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources

Hi A.B.

This is my first time using the Talk page, so hope I'm doing it right!

Thanks for the warm welcome to Wikipedia. Apologies about "undoing" the Ghostwriter wiki page about the citations/references...

I looked at the links that you added to my Talk page. So, am I misreading this part...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFSOURCE

Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as: the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; it does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities); it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject; there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; the article is not based primarily on such sources.

I wondered if that applies to those parts that I "undid"?? As all of those prices are examples of costs for ghostwriters and readers won't have to "google" for this info?

Also I figured that it was better to have a citation to back it up (as I think all of them linked back to a page with the specific quotation? If not, that does sound unduly self-serving!)

Curious to hear your thoughts and look forward to seeing you around!

J.D.F. Jdf1984 (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The guidance you quote above applies to people that are subjects of articles. So Mitt Romney's article can cite Mitt Romney as a source in asserting that blue is his favourite colour. Barack Obama's article can cite him as a source in asserting that his favourite colour is red. Obama's article might need further backing than just his own word in asserting that he was born in Hawaii since that is, in many eyes, a controversial claim. This also applies to organizations; we'll use Ford's reported sales from their audited financial statements since it's not an exceptional claim. I have never seen SELFSOURCE applied to a class of people. Romney can speak for Romney, Obama for Obama and Ford for Ford, but individual welders can't speak for welders or welding.
That's my take. I don't think I'm wrong but you might get another opinion by raising this question at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 22:30, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply, A.B.! I agree and think that I totally misunderstood the selfsource guidance, but now I get it. My learning curve is practically vertical at this point!

I just wanted to figure out a way to fix all those "citation needed" on the article page, by linking back to the original quote/information...

Anyways, I will rest my case and definitely chalk this up to learning the ropes! This Wiki stuff is trickier than I first thought, but I did join the Journalism group on Wiki today to help on a few other pages. (I'm a Journalism grad!)

Thanks again for your help,

Talk soon Jdf1984 (talk) 20:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

64.251.55.162 block

Why was this user blocked for one minor vandalism, please? - Denimadept (talk) 02:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Denimadept. Thanks for asking. 64.251.55.162 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · info · WHOIS · RDNS · trace · RBLs · http · block user · block log) (Cromwell Public Schools) is one of a bunch of vandalism-only K-12 school accounts that have been on my watchlist for a number of years. I didn't block that IP so much for that one edit but because it's a chronic source of nothing but trouble for Wikipedia, our readers and our editors:
  • Since 2005
    • 12 blocks starting with a 24 hour block and escalating eventually to 3 one-year blocks then my two-year block
    • 248 total edits, virtually all vandalistic and requiring someone revert them
    • 70 warnings (approximate -- includes warnings previously deleted)
  • Since the last block expired:
    • 37 of 39 edits were tests or downright vandalism
    • 1 was minor and helpful (wikilinking a word)
    • 1 was perhaps slightly unhelpful but minor and in good faith.
    • 10 ignored warnings
  • 26 abuse filter actions since the last block expired.
    • When it worked, the abuse filter caught some egregiously bad stuff.
  • 16 BLP violations since the last block expired.
    • Typically they were schoolkid-type stuff involving either named classsmates or disliked celebrities:
    • Many of these edits look more silly than libelous in my eyes, but not necessarily in the eyes of their subjects.
    • Even if subsequently reverted on Wikipedia, these edits get propagated and perpetuated across the Internet by the hundreds of Wikipedia mirrors that don't continuously update their scraped Wikipedia content
As I said, I didn't so much block this account for what it had just done but more for what it would continue doing.
This is a soft block, so registered users can still edit from this IP by logging into their account. Juvenile editors are an important source of both good content and cleanup on Wikipedia; some are admins. At schools like this though, unsupervised computers are like holes in our hull that anonymously leak content out and garbage in.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 20:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
PS Other than kiddie vandalism-only school accounts, I'm probably more cautious about blocking people than most administrators working on complaints at WP:AIV.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 21:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the extensive answer. I've been reverting vandals for years, and I've no idea how you're managing this, but more power to you!! My basic concept is that children should not be on the adult internet unsupervised, but I don't limit that to legal minors. Not all of them are idiots, and not all adults are mature enough to deal with this kind of freedom well. - Denimadept (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chloe's Closet Season 2

Go To http://www.moonscoop.com/files/FREE/Chloes%20Closet%20MIPTV%202012.pdf and go down until you see Season 2 Now In Production. and go down again until you see Carys Mozart. its True 76.29.246.204 (talk) 01:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I blocked you previously not for lying but for disruptive editing and failure to cooperate and communicate with other editors. There were other editors and administrators that wanted to just block you away for a long time but as a compromise, instead of that, I gave you some special instructions on your talk page -- twice. Please follow these instructions carefully: make no edits to any articles without first getting consensus from established editors on that article's talk page. Otherwise, I will have to block you a second time -- and for a longer period.
As for the link you provided above, take it up with the other editors on the talk page for the article and discuss it with them. I'm not an active follower of this program.
Thanks, --A. B. (talk • contribs) 01:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A plan

Read the paragraph from,

this user BencherliteTalk once was on my section called

Thomas Weinandy

Here, too, I'm not sure what your rationale was to rollback my edit [38], and to issue a vandalism warning [39]. An apparently COI account twice copied and pasted a curriculum vitae into the article, which is considered disruptive for several reasons, per WP:RESUME. I've again reverted to the non-resume version. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 18:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with the IP on this one, for what it's worth. The CV version of the article was entirely inappropriate, the IP correctly removed it and you should not have restored the CV or warned the IP. Regards, BencherliteTalk 19:08, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I do smell a rat who does want me out of Wikipedia less than a year eventually, bu I do value Wikipedia enough not to quit.--GoShow (............................) 21:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just reviewing, but what I'm saying is I have had users back in the days who tried IP accounts to test myself and hopefully to be blocked from editing, and I hope there is some answer to protect my user page and any files to not come into conflict with many IP users who have probably do have a confirmed account, although won't say it, if not thanks anyway.--GoShow (............................) 21:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you implying that either administrator Bencherlite or myself are socks who have a long term agenda to discredit you? To be clear, I first ran across GoShow's edits on the reversion to Thomas Weinandy. I see a WP:Boomerang. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't apply among you or the other user, if your stalking me, I'm applying to others from last contributions and don't think all users have been considered under the law policy as well.- 'by GoShow--74.34.71.66 (talk) 22:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

12.153.112.21

Dude, open your eyes! The user is reverting, continously, back to information from 2007. The user has repeatedly said they they are aware they are adding inaccurate information (ie: vandalism) and they are just following the sources (sources from 2007). They have not looked for new sources, just reverted to 2007 information, network names, company names, etc. Nothing in admittedly adding inaccurate information and not looking for new sources is in "good faith" as they claim. This isn't something DisRes is going to help with, this is vandalism pure and simple. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, my eyes are open!
Dude, here are the instructions:
I didn't write them, I just follow them:
  • "AIV deals mainly with obviously malicious edits that require no discussion; complex cases should usually be referred to other boards"
  • "Report only clear violations that do not require discussion or detailed explanations. If there is a reasonable chance that something may not be vandalism, it probably should be reported elsewhere, or not at all."
Here's what I wrote in response to your complaint and the IP's comment:
  • "Whatever the pros and cons of these edits, they're not the kind of obvious vandalism we deal with on this noticeboard."
I suggest you raise this at WP:ANI. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 03:55, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To sum up, if an admin has to investigate an issue, go through a bunch of diffs, try to figure out who's right and who's wrong, maybe check him/herself for some refs online to figure out what the article facts should say ... well, in that case, don't take it to WP:AIV. There's no shortage of administrators and administrator hopefuls that watch WP:ANI and enjoy sinking their teeth and time into something tricky. WP:AIV is for stuff an admin (who knows nothing about a so-called "List of AT&T U-verse channels") can figure out and deal with in 90 seconds or less. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 04:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First, I owe you an apology. I was on a 3-day sabbatical (for lack of a better word). No internet, phone, TV, nada. It was pretty cool. I had hoped that once I came back this whole thing with the anon would be over with. I was hoping that the AIV post today would be a short and sweet option with the continued vandalism. After dealing with this for a week prior to my sabbatical and today, I got pissed when a block wasn't issued and I took that out on you. I shouldn't have and I apologize.
I really didn't want to go to ANI (waaaay too much drama there), but if I have to, I will. Hope your post on the "List of AT&T U-verse channels" talk page and the user's talk page will keep this from continuing. If not, I will go to ANI. Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I feel the need to bring this to your attention. Particularly the line that states if indefinite semi-protection was enacted on the List of AT&T U-verse channels page, the user would "would merely get an account to ensure that the source is respected and other sources are added". It is quite clear from that the user is stating they would create an account and continue to edit disruptively regardless of page protection. Hence I am requesting a block on the IP account, block on creating accounts and a range block (shouldn't take up too many people as it is a company IP). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

<A.B., I apologize for contributing to your exasperation. I appreciate your referrals to us both, but I wanted to ensure you understood that I was simply matching article information to the source provided. I had presumed my fellow editors were competent enough to recognize that the article should conform to the source provided, that it should not rely on dynamic sources but static sources, and that unsourced assertions should be sourced. It appears that you and Masem have uncovered a nest of poor articles defended primarily by editors who want to use WP as a convenience link to their zipcode's provider offerings. While the article I have in mind may not arise anytime soon, I trust you recognize my intent to stay within WP web-building policy. 12.153.112.21 (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about it. I think maintaining an article like that is like keeping a sand castle in the tidal zone: it invites dispute, provides readers with stale incorrect information and soaks up a lot of editorial time. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 14:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AfD of the U-verse article

Would have perfered you waited to AfD that as I had just added 4 confirming references this morning since the anon was clearly not. From what I read above, still was not going to. Oh well. I understand why you did. If it is deleted, could you save the article after deletion and move it to my userspace or send it to me via email? Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not AfD the article, although as I wrote in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of AT&T U-verse channels, the thought had just crossed my mind as I signed off yesterday. Someone else beat me to it.
I'd be happy to save a copy if needed.
--A. B. (talk • contribs) 22:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, my goof. That's what I get for editing when I first wake up. Things blend into each other. Anywho, I figure it will be deleted and as I said on the AfD, I won't be upset if it is. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

72.186.48.128

72.186.48.128 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is at it again here. Eric444 (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. Be on the lookout for sockpuppets. I tried to set the block as long as I could without forcing him into sockpuppetry. In my experience, it's better to keep blocking the same IP for short periods than to have all kinds of socks hitting you by surprise. 2 weeks is about the outer limit of the typical edit warrior's patience. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 00:01, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you keep an eye out for new IPs from the Tampa, Florida area doing the same stuff; if so, report them to me or another administrator, being sure to include a link to this IP's talk page (that way you won't have to jump through hoops first giving multiple warnings, etc).
Thanks for watching over our content. --A. B. (talk • contribs) 00:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

208.67.34.233

I don't know, maybe it's because I've seen good edits come from some schools and school districts (including my alma mater), but I just don't understand why sysops these days drop 1 year blocks on schools and even colleges after single incidents of recent vandalism. Personally, I think it's a violation of the blocking policy, since I don't think the user at 208.67.34.233 had been adequately warned before it was blocked; although there are oodles of prior warnings, this is a shared IP and prior edits, good or bad, quite possibly could have come from a different person. Maybe it's just me, but if I were you, I would lift that block, or at least shorten it. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 01:31, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DiveReport.com

Dear A.B,

You have blacklisted DiveReport.com from Wikipedia Details the site provides information regarding diving to see seasonal animals and as such is valuable and useful information for divers specifically. Typically visitors from wikipedia viewed 10+ pages and spent an average of 2min 20seconds on the website indicating that it is indeed information that Adds value.

Of course you can quote sales pitches from our Advertising page, most commerical website have a requirement to make money somehow - the issue really is weather the links were, or were not spam. In this case - the external links were placed on pages where DiveReport.com adds real value to visitors and is not information that can be got from anywhere else, even nearly as easily, online. The data is provided by local and highly authoritive experts at each location.

I strongly feel that these links were not spam, they impact our SEO in no-way what-so-ever as all links are no-follow from Wikipedia (which makes the section you quoted from our site irellevant).

I would kindly ask if they could be restored and DiveReport.com be removed from the Block list. Page editors from the 15 or so page which the external link was added to clearly saw the benefits of the information provided.

Best,

Catherine

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