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September 30

Sport uniform colors (light and dark)

Can somebody please give me a rudimentary tutorial about editing light and dark uniforms (incl. light and dark color application)? I'm new to this stuff and getting confused how to edit one especially the blank uniforms in basketball. TruPepitoMTalk To Me 00:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Does {{Basketball kit}} and {{Basketball kit home and away}} help? If not then please link a specific article you have problems with. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

ancestry website

can I import my data from ancestry to my book here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacquelinermike (talk • contribs) 00:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I guess you refer to the feature at Wikipedia:Books. Such books can only display Wikipedia pages. You cannot import data from an external site. If you save your book in a file you download to your own computer then maybe you can find software to edit that file. This is not a service Wikipedia offers. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikimarkup in edits

When I edited a page a list of wikimarkups used to appear at the bottom so as whenever I clicked on, for example, "default sort" the default sort template for categories would automatically appear on the page. This has now disappeared without me altering my preferences. Is there any way I can get this to return as it was very useful and it's removal will mean wasting a lot of time looking for the formula for the markup I want? Apologies if this is the wrong place for this query as I haven't required technical help in all my years on Wikipedia before. Keresaspa (talk) 01:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a lot of discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). I haven't followed it closely and am not sure when or if the old edittools box comes back. Some users say it's there if they disable "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I tried your suggestion and it worked. Thanks a lot, I missed those. Keresaspa (talk) 02:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

So did I. Thanks for having the information here for easy restoration. Judging from the comments at WP:Village pump (technical), it looks like poor management that this essential set of tools went away without warning, inconveniencing massive numbers of editors. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Indef-blocked user status

What happens when:

• A user is indef-blocked, comes back with several puppets over the next month and they are all indef-blocked.
• The user stays quiet for 6 months, then starts again with similar edits.
• WP:SPI says the situation is "stale".

What determines stale? Is an indef-block by definition for a given period of time and after that the user can start again with a new account or two, dance the same dance, add the same outdated references and questionable sources again and again?

Clarification will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 09:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

No, they can't. What is "stale" is the technical data that would allow two accounts to be connected. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Please clarify "stale". Does it have a time limit in it? Where did you get the definition of stale? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Generally people try to avoid discussing the specifics so as to avoid giving sockpuppeteers information that would aid them in avoiding detection. Stale's time limit is the length of time the servers retain the data necessary to run a checkuser search, though I'm not sure if the exact time is widely known. You can still make a sock case using behavioral evidence even if the technical data is stale. Monty₈₄₅ 16:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Stale could also mean that the most recent ip socking is old enough that the reviewer does not feel an IP block would be productive. Monty₈₄₅ 16:54, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. They zappped it based on behavior anyway. History2007 (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Troubles with inflation

Hello,

I am really confused now. In User:GreatOrangePumpkin/Sandbox34, I am not sure why dollar is less than Russian ruble. I really need to figure out what should I do first and so on. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 11:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Because the economy is in the toilet? OK— you are using 1,200 rubles (${{Inflation|US|38.46|1837}} as of {{CURRENTYEAR}}) to show 1,200 rubles ($1036 as of 2025), thus you are using a conversion of 1.5 rubles to the dollar in 1837. Where did you get that figure? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

From some converter. What I can not figure out in Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Moscow) that ruble is higher than us dollar. Is it because of "in gold"? Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 14:39, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Moscow) is comparing rubles in 1895 or 1901-1911 to US$ in 2012. So there is both conversion and inflation included in the comparison. Rubles in 2012 are worth much less than US$ in 2012. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I would like to know why the aforementioned has such a huge difference between these two currencies. Why is rubles less than dollars in the sandbox article while in the Cathedral article it is vice versa. I am afraid you did not answer my question as I added the date to the inflation template, as in the Cathedral article. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 17:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I answered your second post. Regarding your first post, you didn't say from which converter you got 38.46 in "1,200 rubles (${{Inflation|US|38.46|1837}} as of {{CURRENTYEAR}})". It looks like the current exchange rate: 1,200 rubles in 2012 are worth around $38.46 in 2012. (${{Inflation|US|38.46|1837}} computes something else: What $38.46 in 1837 would be worth today in US$. That's not what you want, because the exchange rate was different in 1837. We either need the 1837 exchange rate, or we need the rubles inflation from 1837 until today, and then we can convert it to US$ today. I don't know where to find the needed info. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Swinton and counties

Hi

I hope this is the right place for this question.

The article on Swinton seems to claim it as being in "Greater Manchester" when it is in Lancashire.

How do I correct this please?

Many thanks, yours sincerely

Gerard Dugdill — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.18.253 (talk) 12:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I typed "Swinton, England, United Kingdom" into Google maps and it showed up in Manchester. Try asking here anyway. History2007 (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

See Lancashire#Historic areas and Municipal Borough of Swinton and Pendlebury which says Swinton came under Greater Manchester in 1974. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Enviromental science

Afflunce is a critical determinant to enviroment degradation because of economic activity thus pollution — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.80.69.44 (talk) 14:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

What is your point? Are you suggesting a change to an article, or just expressing a personal opinion? Cresix (talk) 15:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Huggle

Hi. I'm trying to use Huggle, but it says "Huggle is not enabled for your account" every time I try to log in. I already have the coding for it in User:TBrandley/huggle.css, and am a rollbacker here. TBrandley 15:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Try putting nowiki tags on it. It may work, it may not work :) Mdann52 (talk) 15:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Try enable:true in User:TBrandley/huggle.css. I think enable-all:true is a global setting at Wikipedia:Huggle/Config to say that Huggle is allowed on this wiki. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It worked, thanks! TBrandley 15:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Can't find my article draft that I just made

I am logged in as username = Davellan

I went ahead and made an article draft called "Kimura Trap System"

I saved the file, and was trying to find out how to publish it, when wikipedia wiped out the article for me. I couldn't go back to it, and I can't find it anywhere. I have a few hours working on it just now, so I am pretty pissed that it can't access the article even though I have been saving it on the editor.

Please tell me how to find this file. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davellan (talk • contribs) 16:36, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not listed in your contributions and it hasn't been deleted. Could you have received an error message, perhaps that it contained a blocked link? RJFJR (talk) 16:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The only edits you've made under this account are a bunch to David Avellan in March and April, and this edit. I tried looking for it but couldn't find it. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 16:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Davellan shows no saved edits since April. I see you uploaded File:Head Scissors off the Kimura Trap.jpg to Wikimedia Commons but that is your only recorded activity. Maybe you clicked "Show preview" instead of "Save page", or maybe the page you saw after clicking "Save page" included a message about a problem. For example, if your page contained external links then you should (due to not being autoconfirmed yet) have been asked to enter a CAPTCHA before it was saved. If you were logged in to this account and you cannot retrieve the edit box with your contents by using your browser back button then I'm afraid it's lost. If you may have been logged out when you saved then try logging out now and clicking Special:MyContributions to see edits saved under your IP address. For privacy reasons your IP address is not revealed so I cannot examine it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Your browser history might still contain the url of the page you worked on. Roger (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

That sucks. I saved it at least 6 times and entered a captcha code when prompted. I was logged into this account during the editing as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.143.11.102 (talk) 00:12, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I understand your frustration and sorry if I sound condescending but reports like this always seem to come from very new users. If there isn't an odd bug which only affects new users then they are probably misunderstanding something in the interface. I suggest copying your non-trivial edits to a text editor on your own computer until you are certain they have been saved. Logged in users can see their saved edits by clicking the "My contributions" link they have at the top of all pages. The "View history" tab at top of pages will show saved edits to that page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Renaming an image

Hello, I uploaded an image. The title is wrong, and I want to change it, but now it is uploaded, there is no option to rename. How cna I do it? This is the link http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iglesia_de_San_Francisco_La_Plata_Argentina_-Oto%C3%B1o.JPG

The problem is that it is not the Church of San Francisco, but the "Museo de Ciencias Naturales, Argentina in Autumn" Is there a way I can correct that? Thank you. 18:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)Biruma (talk)

You can "move" the image to its new name. — Edokter (talk) — 19:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Only file movers and administrators can move images. See commons:Commons:File renaming for how to request a rename. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Someone please update an article:

League of Legends is now available for Mac's and Apple computers through a program called iLOL. By Boomje. It is no longer just a windows game. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanradulski (talk • contribs) 19:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Please see WP: Edit requests. Yyou can request an edit to be done using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. I'm going to Decline this request, as you didn't provide a source backing up your change. Please see WP: RS. --v/r Electric Catfish (talk) 20:58, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Editing tools disappeared

Hi. At the bottom of my edit screen, I used to see editing tools that I could click on, like the pipe symbol, and the code for a hidden comment. Now it does not appear at all. How can I get it back? Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:04, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Join the club. See http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk#Editing_help_has_disappeared above! PamD 21:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Haha! OK, thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:14, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I was looking for this answer, clicked on the link, and it didn't bring me anywhere but back here. I think the link has been archived or deleted? Can you point me to it? I would like to have my tools again, and I actually see them for an instant, before it's overlaid by this new editing screen, which is fine, but it's missing some of the Wiki-markup codes that I frequently use. SkepticalRaptor (talk) 21:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 September 28#Editing help has disappeared says: "Go to Preferences, Editing, and Switch OFF the Enhanced editing toolbar". PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

R.M. Engelhardt Article On Author

Hello,

I am doing an article on an author named "R.M. Engelhardt" and yesterday attempted to politely get answers from one of the editorial staff upon her talk page( Mdann52). What happened was that I received no feedback whatsoever from her & my talk was deleted from her page in asking specifics and for help with my first article. I searched her archives but it looks as though the talk was deleted. Could someone please, another editor get back to me here on Wikipedia who can please give me practical & helpful advice on my article. This is quite frustrating and would like to create more articles in the future. Thank you.

POEMFLOWER

The Wicked Library Girl 21:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poemflower (talk • contribs)

The summary for the edit that deleted your message is "No idea why I got that message", so apparently that user does not know why you are asking their input. RudolfRed (talk) 21:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

... which is a bit surprising, as Mdann52 had rejected it at AfC and thus was the logical person to ask about it! PamD 21:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I would say it was not at all surprising, for your post made no reference to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/R.M. Engelhardt, and even if he had somehow found it, you had removed his decline. Also he had decline two weeks before; so by then he would have no memory of it. —teb728 t c 22:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

The instructions above the edit box on this help desk say "Please give the exact title or URL of any page you want help with." In addition, you claimed Mdann52 deleted the article. Only administrators can delete pages and Mdann52 is not one. The page is still there and was merely declined as an article. And please don't remove declines from the page. I have restored the code which displays the decline. Among other things, the box it produces contains a link you can click to make a resubmission. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

As general feedback on your draft: Mdann52 declined your submission because it was “not written from a neutral point of view”. Reasons for that may have included your characterizing the Saint Poem Reading Series as “popular” and writing about the “mission” of the Albany Poets. Another serious problem with your draft article is that it doesn’t establish the “notability” of the subject: most poets are not notable enough for an article in Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 23:48, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Also see the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. M. Engelhardt. Your submission hasn't remedied any of the objections that led to the deletion. —teb728 t c 00:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, DGG's Deletion comment "No published works in worldCat." is no longer the case. PamD 07:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank You PamD! Although, to TEB728 I never claimed that the article actually was deleted. What I was referring to was the conversation per the article on Mdann52's talk page where I requested some feedback. Poemflower

The Library Girl 18:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It was me who wrote it. You contacted Mdann52 with the heading "Regarding Deletion Of Article Per Subject, R.M. Engelhardt, Author/Poet".[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

My apologies, thank you for your help PrimeHunter Poemflower

PoemFlower 02:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

LIST OF MEXICO'S 37 MOST-WANTED DRUG LORDS

I would just like to say that in the paragraph below the subject line it says that ivan velazquez caballero(known as el taliban)was captured on the 26th of september 2012 bringing the total to 24 out of the 37 most wanted captured or killed so far,which is infact not correct as it should be 25 out of the 37 as Jorge eduardo Costilla Sanchez(known as El Coss)was captured on the 12th of september 2012(it was definately him as he was in a photo being paraded in handcuffs in front of the mexican press/media after his capture)just thought I should let you know about this as it needs to be put in words(added to)before and in front of the words that mention the capture of ivan Velazquez caballero on 26th september 201286.159.153.146 (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

You could fix it yourself, or if you don't feel like doing that, put a note on the article talk page, Talk:List of Mexico's 37 most-wanted drug lords, where people interested in the article will see it. —teb728 t c 22:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

October 1

Editing difference in Firefox

When editing a page, it used to show a combo box of things that can be inserted. Now Firefox doesn't show this but IE does. Is there a way to get it back? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 00:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

There are several sections about the missing edittools here and at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). I don't know about the browser difference but it has helped many users to disable "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Thanks, that worked for me. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 00:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Object Properties

• How do you view SVG markup object properties, such as in the image above in order to see the province names? Thank you. Futurist110 (talk) 01:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You might pop into Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop and ask the question there, as the users of Inkscape and other svg editors hang out there.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

i have forgot my email address for my yahoo account but i have also forgot my password for my primary email address and the phone numbers are old ones

i would be really grateful if any one can hel me i have forgot my yahoo password and it says it will send a resent password code to my primary account but i have forgot the password for that one as well i would be very grateful if anybodt at all can help me, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.36.53 (talk) 02:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello. This is the help desk for using Wikipedia, not for general help questions. For computing questions I suggest you use the Computing Reference Desk to ask your question. Chevymontecarlo 06:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Martin Bresnick

Aaron Jay Kernis Was not my student. This information on my site is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.20.10 (talk) 04:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted the whole "Notable Students" section as unreferenced. Rojomoke (talk) 05:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Circular template?

Is there a template to mark a page that uses predominantly circular references? If there is, I cannot find it. The article "List of NFL on CBS commentator pairings" is referenced almost exclusively by links to a Google search that points back to the article itself. I want to mark that page. Thank you. [edit] (The same situation applies to "List of NFL on NBC commentator pairings".    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 04:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

[edit] (The same situation applies to "List of NFL on NBC commentator pairings".)    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 04:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You could just use a template that marks the source as unreliable, if you don't want to remove it. {{Verify credibility}} with the failed parameter would work. - Purplewowies (talk) 11:10, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done. I did not use that one, but I believe I found one that is appropriate.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 22:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

How do I fix it?

How am I suppose to fix what it states when I do not know how. I read the help section and provided the proper links for evidence, yet it still does not work?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wm55 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Wm55. That is why I posted this here, so that someone more experienced than you or I will come and help us. It is called the "Help Desk" for just such a reason. (Also, my original question is not in reference to any page that you have edited or are editing.) Thank you for your good efforts.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 05:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Michael, I suspect that Wm55 was asking a unrelated question !!!! Mdann52 (talk) 10:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I suspect Michael is asking about the Phillip Nelson article. But I do not know what he is asking. Maproom (talk) 13:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Just a guess, but I wonder if Wm55 thinks the tags at the top of the article somehow get removed automatically? They don't. If you think you have remedied the problem you may remove the tags, or anybody else may. (If somebody disagrees with your evaluation, they might put the tags back). I observe that the article at present certainly contains unreferenced statements, for example the section "2010-present" reports two things that "he states" without a reference for either. Also the 34 numbered "references" that somebody has added to the References section are not satisfactory: first they are not attached to particular statements in the article (see WP:Referencing for beginners) and secondly many of them are to unreliable sources (imdb, facebook) to listings sites (amazon, iTunes: may possibly be used to demonstrate the existence of something but not its notability) or to non-independent sites (phillip-nelson.org). See WP:IRS and WP:Notability (person) for more information.

If you are talking about the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phillip Nelson, you'll need to contribute to that discussion, and persuade the various people who have contributed to the discussion what has changed to make the article suitable to be kept. --ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

cannot access my account

Please please help!!!! I cannot access my account. I can however access from my mobile. My email is very, very sentimental. many, many photos of my husban who passed away last year. Kind regards Faith Hattingh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.134.48.65 (talk) 05:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

This is the help desk for Wikipedia, an online encyclopaedia. We can answer questions about using and finding your way around the encyclopaedia, but Wikipedia doesn't provide email or webmail hosting services. Are you sure it's a Wikipedia account you are asking about? - Karenjc 07:52, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Which RefDesk for a question from video technology history?

I have a question about history of Digital Light Processing, an imaging/displaying technology by Texas Instruments. I posted it at an article's talk page (Talk:Screen-door effect#How old is 'newer'?) and then at Computing RefDesk (Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing#DLP technology history, now in Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2012 September 27#DLP technology history), but nobody answered yet. Maybe nobody knows such details, or maybe nobody notced it. Is there a better place to ask the question? Possibly Entertainment or Science RD? --CiaPan (talk) 05:38, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

The science reference desk would be a reasonable place to ask. RJFJR (talk) 19:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)`

Changing main title to an article

I'm wondering how one changes the title of an article, specifically this one:

John Neville, 1st Baron Neville de Raby

The only source cited in the article states that he is Lord Neville, not Baron Neville de Raby, and the other sources I've looked at also indicate that this particular John Neville, who was slain at the Battle of Towton on 29 March 1461, was Lord Neville, not Baron Neville de Raby.

It thus appears that the title of the article is in error, but I'm not sure how to go about changing it.

Thanks for any help with this. NinaGreen (talk) 05:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

The place to discuss article content is in the talk page (in this case Talk:John Neville, 1st Baron Neville de Raby). That is where knowlegible people will see the discussion. —teb728 t c 06:35, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree that normally that would be the route to go. However from what I can see in the edit history, only one person has ever worked (briefly) on this article, and the talk page is empty.

What I'd like to do is change the article title to conform with the historical sources, if there's a way that I can do that. NinaGreen (talk) 06:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

There are standardised names for barons, I think - see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility)#British_nobility or perhaps ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage. The most important thing is to ensure that by redirects or disambiguation page entries he can be found by anyone looking for any of the names by which he is known. PamD 06:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Bear in mind that there's no such rank as "Lord" in the British peerage. It's a title used by barons, viscounts, earls, marquesses and dukes alike. As it says in Lord#Peerage, it's used most often by barons who are rarely addressed by their formal and legal title of "Baron". So even if this guy is referred to as "Lord Neville", his formal title is "Lord Baron Neville", and according to the standards PamD refers to, that should be the name of the page.

By the way, although only the creator has edited the article's talk page, the actual article itself has about a dozen names in its history. Rojomoke (talk) 12:24, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for all the helpful comments. I'm still unsure how I would go about changing the title of the page, and then the redirects and the disambiguation page entries which PamD mentioned. The person described in the article as it is currently written was Baron Neville, but never Baron Neville de Raby, and the current title of the article (and all the links to it from other articles) are therefore providing Wikipedia readers with erroneous information. Can anyone tell me how I'd go about doing that, i.e. change the name of the page's title? NinaGreen (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

If you're sure of your facts, then move the page by clicking on the "Move this Page" link at the bottom. However, I would suggest you put something on the talk page first, and give interested parties a few days to notice it and respond. Rojomoke (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You do realise that Baronies normally (I think always, but I'm not certain) are associated with a place, which is part of their formal name, whether or not it is commonly used? For example Lady Thatcher is formally "Baroness Thatcher, of Kesteven in the County of Lincolnshire". (She is a life peer, but I don't think that makes any difference). --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for the help. I've posted a comment re the proposed change on the Project Peerage page, and will wait for a few days before moving the article. I'm fairly certain of the facts, particularly since I just finished editing the page referenced below, and the ODNB article on the 2nd Earl of Westmorland says he reclaimed the lordship of Raby as a result of a settlement in 1443 with the Beauforts, so it now seems even more unlikely that his brother, who is the subject of the article whose title I'm proposing to change, would have been Baron Neville of Raby.

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NinaGreen (talk) 18:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

‘Cybercrime Prevention Act unconstitutional’

sir can you help us or support us in our fight againts cybercrime law in the philippines., its Like SOPA internet freedom is now gone here in philippines.,, Please Support us in fight againts this law.,, Tnx QOuted below are some articles according to this law...

<<<removed text copy+pasted from http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/278368/cybercrime-prevention-act-unconstitutional-senator-guingona>>> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.145.127.3 (talk) 08:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

This help desk is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia. Please don't paste news items here, as that is a violation of copyright. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:22, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization of references

I seem to remember reading somewhere on WP that websites listed in the reference section should only have the first letter capitalized, unless there is a hyphen or some other characteristic involved which would allow capitalization. For example, "SunlightWatch.org" should be written as "Sunlightwatch.org." I have checked Template:cite web and Template:cite news, as well as as WP:MoS, but gotten nowhere. Solicitation for assistance on the template talk pages has returned editors who don't recollect knowing about this. If this could be pointed out to me, or if I could be told that I must've misremembered, it would really help me out. Thanks in advance! Zepppep (talk) 15:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Help, help desk. Zepppep (talk) 06:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall seeing such a policy. All lower case (including the initial letter) seems to be the norm anyway. I think you might have in mind Wikipedia:CamelCase and Wikipedia. I see no particular reason to regularize urls in this way. Longer urls are easier to read in CamelCase, especially if the second word starts with a vowel, or they use an "i" or "e" prefix, e.g. eToys.com.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

This was already under discussion at Help talk:Citation Style 1#Capitalization of web sites in references, so it's best to comment there, in order to avoid split discussion. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Not so much arguing with an admin, just bending over backwards and saying "**** it"

An admin, probably a very respected one, is giving me a hard time about a link, which I really can't do a thing about, don't really have anything vested in and and have no choice but to give up on this particular thread. However, I have been editing one page only, for about 3 years, and check in every day to clean up, or rebuff, or whatever I can do to contribute. In this way I think Wikipedia is cool, and does what it is there for, to be a repository for intelligent people who really don't have more than a few minutes a day to help, to do that little thing for the site. I also have given donations every year, some small, some large, and while I don't think that's a measure of my contribution I think it's a measure of what I can do in my own little part to keep the impetus for a directory of this nature to continue growth.

Now I cannot claim to know something deep or brilliant about Wikipedia, and I have no idea, nor do I really care to learn about the many trials and tribulations of an admin, or any of the complex issues of having such a deeply linked library of data. And I further doubt that any testimony I provide is in any way compelling to the nature of what Wikipedia is, as it exists without me quite well. However, I cannot fathom why an admin can simply stroll in, make an obtuse judgement about a link on a page that he probably has never read in his life, and simply say thanks and bye. Not to the link mind you, but ultimately to the editor and their contribution and even their thoughts.

I could in theory find several million links that I could say "You do not meet editorial guidelines and we need to wipe these," and I will be in arguments with people who provided those links for the next 6 months, but hell if I am ever going to be able to put in so much effort into so menial a task. That is why I can generally appreciate what an admin is doing because I simply can't. But is this what an admin really wants to do with their time? All the garbage I have found on just the page I read and when I find something useful I add it, but my judgement is poor and not worthy of another's reverence?

I know others have complained probably in exactly the same way, I know the site is inundated by bots, I know it is all thankless and I accept it for what it is. But pardon me if I say as a mere user that it is currently unacceptable to me that I should simply be edited out of the one page I deal with, and it becomes clear my time, which is incredibly limited to begin with, is clearly not useful here and best if I focus on something else.

To make a comment, use your heart and head, quoting me faqs won't really address the matter at all. Eedlee (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Well... honestly, WP:RS is a pretty widely accepted guideline for identifying reliable sources, and if your source does not meet the criteria, you should try to find a source that does. Things on Wikipedia need to be verifiable. If you are not sure if your source is reliable or if you want more opinions, you can ask at WP:RSN. (I may have more to add, but I have somewhere to get to.) - Purplewowies (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

There may be better sources but I did not find them but that's not the problem. I must have come across 100 domains over the years that haven't met guidelines but are embedded all over wikipedia and are clearly personal pages. Can I spend the 1400 hours to out them all? It's just not worth the effort. So getting into a fight over one with an admin, that doesn't seem like a fair fight. Right from the start, I lose, and well where does that put me? It's kind of demeaning to the whole user experience.Eedlee (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

The disputed source is being used to support a claim about divorce rate the United States - in the Divorce article - better sources (such as official census or other government reports) should be quite easy to find. Editing only one article over a long period can end up with WP:OWN problems arising, as one becomes emotionally invested in the article - it's really not a good idea. Try hitting the Random Article link and take a look at different topics. By the way; it's of no consequence that your "opponent" might be an admin because removing problematic sources is not an admin function - anyone can (and should) do it. Roger (talk) 16:31, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

A Perfectly Valid response. I couldn't possibly spend more time on other articles but I do small edits here and there on science stuff. The difference however with having an admin tell you "don't put that link back or I'll ban you," and having a conversation on the Talk page with another normal user, is quite a difference in tone and demeanor. I can't make other people agree with me that's fine, but getting berated does nothing for me, and makes it impossible to feel useful in any way whatsoever.Eedlee (talk) 18:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You might want to read wp:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just because there are defects in other articles does not mean the one you are working on should emulate them.LeadSongDog come howl! 18:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Truth. As I continue reading the responses and my own I think it all just says thanks for your thoughts but we're good. Eedlee (talk) 19:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

In the end, you guys have just gotten too robotic to listen to humans. It is potentially true that once we become part of a really large organization there is no other option. The endless, mind-numbing questions. The personal attacks. The grievers. I am not placing blame on any component, humans are simply overwhelmed when we get to this part.

Sadly, there is no doubt if I hired some guy to edit WP for me he would never have problems with his entries, or would simply spam them with multiple accounts rendering WP senseless into oblivion. Right now in the current environment, that is more acceptable to an admin than a person having a thought and pursuing a specific action. Acting in a manner which appears to be legitimate but in fact simply mocks truth in order to create the appearance of it begins to win.

Once a user commentary is treated with less respect than those that would harm, the effort enters futility. I am there. Thanks for all the fish. Eedlee (talk) 20:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Tim Gorman / Editing information on my own biography and discography.

Dear Wiki , Hello, I am Tim Gorman the producer, composer, and keyboardist. I would like to edit the Wiki page about me. I have a much broader background and history than what is there . Also, I have not been involved with some of the events listed or stated there. Am I allowed to Edit my on Biography since it is about ME ? Thanks very much for the time and consideration. All the best, Tim GormanTimtone (talk) 16:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Tim. In regards to your query, from what I have read at autobiography and problems with autobiographies, it seems that fixing an article about yourself is discouraged. Maybe it would be of help to discuss the improvement on the article talk page, so that an uninvolved editor adds them on your behalf. Wesley♦^Mouse 16:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

(ec)Due to the inherent conflict of interest we prefer that subjecs of articles do not edit the articles concerned. The best option generally is to post your concerns and suggestions on the article's talk page. Please read the following guidelines: WP:COI, WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. You also need to be aware that we require information given in articles to be supported by reliable independent sources. This is particularly strict in the case of biographies of living people. I see that the article in fact cites only one source. Any unsourced information can be removed without debate. Welcome to WikiPedia. Roger (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Apollonius' Theorem

Apollonius' theorem (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I am a brand new member. On the page for Apollonius" Theorem there is a proof that depends on trigonometric identities and I would like to add a strictly geometrical proof. It will need a reference drawing and math equations. How do I go about doing that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalSpinella (talk • contribs) 19:55, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

You should probably ask for help at the talk page of the Maths Project.--ukexpat (talk) 20:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Did you find it published in a reliable source, or did you find it by original research? If the latter, I am sorry to say that you have to get it published first in a reliable source, since Wikipedia does not publish original research. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Unable to upload an image I own the copyright to

I am not able to upload an image to an article I've created. It is a non-free copyrighted image that I own the copyright to. I do not want to specify it as 'public domain' - how do I upload it? I've filled in the upload form and answered all the questions but the 'upload 'button is still greyed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garryrobson (talk • contribs) 20:48, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Happened to me yesterday. If you have left any boxes empty, put a few dashes in them and see if that helps. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

If this is in relation to the article you have just created, I'd not bother - it is almost certain to be deleted. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd concentrate on improving an expanding the article before worrying about images.. adding some reliably published sources would help too (and the copyright to any images related to the game are probably owned by the publisher rather than an individual such as yourself - you will need to prove you're the copyright holder if you wished to upload them anyway). Яehevkor ✉ 21:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Do I understand correctly that you are trying to upload an image you own the copyright to without licensing it under a free license? I don't believe that is allowed. I can't a policy that says so right now, but think I recall reading that you must free license your own content. —teb728 t c 04:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

That's from Wikipedia:Image use policy#User-created images, "All user-created images must be licensed under a free license" -- John of Reading (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, it does say that, but I don't think it is true. I was involved, a few months ago, with a photograph of a famous painting. We tried to work out how to license it with a free license, but that wasn't their desire, they wanted to reverse all rights, and supported that it be tagged as fair use. That's a rare exception, won't apply in all cases, but unless we reached the wrong conclusion, it isn't quite right to use the strong word "must".--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Help in making a navbox . . .

Where do I go to ask a techie to make a navbox for me? Thank you. GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you could try Wikipedia:Requested templates? Per WP:NENAN, consider whether the navbox would be redundant with another, and be sure to name at least five pages the navbox should link to. PleaseStand (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Gee, thanks, PleaseStand! GeorgeLouis (talk) 00:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Removal of "Theoverviewer.com" page.

Re: "Theoverviewer.com" page. Apparently I created a page that is not acceptable to your criteria. I would like to remove it but cannot find any "delete" button or other means of extinguishing it. Please advise or simply delete it yourself. Sorry for the inconvenience. Meerkat12--Tribbles12 21:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tribbles12 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Twelve minutes after you posted here, Wikipedia administrator Peridon deleted the page Theoverviewer.com under section G11 of our criteria for speedy deletion. If the article were still on Wikipedia, I would have advised you to request deletion by adding "{{db-author}}" to the page in question. PleaseStand (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Overlap problems with Rio de Janeiro article

When using a large browser window, tables in the Demographics section of the Rig de Janeiro article overlap. How can it be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.118.31 (talk) 22:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see overlap, but there were two tables that did not fit together well, and I added {{clear right}} before one of them. Did that fix it for you? —teb728 t c 03:42, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2

how i set up a personal wikipedia

I want to set up a personal page and contribute personal info about myself — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dav3p3rk1n (talk • contribs) 00:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

If you are talking about writing info about yourself as a Wikipedia article, please don't. See WP:AUTO. You can add some things about yourself on your user page, but the content must adhere to the user page guidelines.

If you are talking about creating your own wiki using MediaWiki software, please see http://www.mediawiki.org. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

another alternative is a blog. also, can't you make a page on your-self if your a celebrity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.114.254.43 (talk) 04:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

No; you would have a conflict of interest. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

MY FIRST ARTICLE IS MARKED FOR DELETION.

I HAVE REQUESTED that it not be deleted because it is factual as I liveed it. I was at the company a long number of years and watched the company change.

Many people have been there and know the whole story, and they deserve to have it made public.

This is written many years after the fact and I do not understand why you would want to delete it?????

REPLY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D44j44 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The deletion reason used by the tagger is erroneous as it's not vandalism. However, lack of a claim of notability is a valid deletion reason, and lack of reliable third-party sources (unfortunately, that doesn't include you, as original research and synthesis is unacceptable) and the fact that it was written as a personal reflection/essay, which is not encyclopedic, makes it stand little chance of not being deleted.

I'm sorry that this first try does not appear to be working out for you. Please post on my talk page if you have any other questions. --Jasper Deng (talk) 00:55, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The article Teledyne Wisconsin Motor (Formerly Known as Wisconsin Motor) uses names of (apparently) real people, some combined with derogatory comments, with no citations. It has been marked for "speedy deletion' because of its negative comments, both about the company and about individuals, and you have provided no sources for the information. Your own memory is not sufficient to support an article. Bielle (talk) 00:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

subject matter

i forget, what types of advice can you not give here? and is there only one sign-bot? thanks, 70.114.254.43 (talk) 03:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Knowledge-based advice should be asked for at the reference desk, and medical and legal advice should not be asked for at all. This page is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. - Purplewowies (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe there is only one bot that signs unsigned posts, SineBot (talk · contribs). No others are listed at Wikipedia:Bots/Status. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Class project

I am new to wikipedia and I have to create an entry for a class project and I don't know where to begin...Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captainhastingsinusa (talk • contribs) 05:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

This has been answered at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#I have to create an entry for a class project, and I don't know where to begin... -- John of Reading (talk) 06:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

kannada Wikipedia page

(Radhatanaya (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC))

Dear Sir, I was not in India for 3 months. Now I'm back. Started contributing articles from today. But, not able to see kannada Wikipedia page. (I write under the name 'Radhatanaya')

Are you able to see the Kannada Wikipedia main page at kn:? If not, what do you see there? —teb728 t c 07:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

® symbol

In Myers-Briggs Type Indicator there is one editor who puts in ® symbols and another one who removes them. According to the one who puts them in, Myers-Briggs Foundation requests that it be used (edit comment found in article's history). Is there a policy or a guideline for (not) using these symbols? Lova Falk talk 08:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks says, “Do not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, in either article text or citations, unless unavoidably necessary for context (for instance, to distinguish between generic and brand names for drugs).” —teb728 t c 08:47, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! This policy pleases me. Lova Falk talk 08:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I have removed one ® that was missed and done some small cleanup to make it sound less like an advert for CPP. Astronaut (talk) 18:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Article entitled "Eshmunazar" and transcription in Hebrew.

I wish to provide a new transcription here because the one shown does not show the "final" forms of the Hebrew characters at the end of words (there are 5 "final" forms). My problem is a a technical problem of transmission. I must use right justification. When I try to load my finished 22-line Hebrew text into your Wikipedia "edit" mask (by highlighting it with CTRL + A and then copying it into the buffer with CTRL + C) and then CTRL V to paste it in there, each word is printed in reverse order. Can I send it separately somewhere as .pdf (works like a photograph) and someone there stuff it in ?Franklin Paladin (talk) 10:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Insert the text in the Hebrew language template. Roger (talk) 12:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Roger for the quick help. Franklin Paladin (talk) 09:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Section Repeatedly Deleted

An unknown user (identified only be IP Adress) has repeatedly deleted a section from Doug Berger's page. Berger is state politician in North Carolina, USA. The section is on his failed run for N.C. Commissioner of Labor. My material cites concerns over his past political activity. I think the information is well-sourced with primary source material and relevant to his biography. How can I stop this user from trying to delete the material again?Vitocmarda (talk) 11:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Give the user a warning message. If the user continues even after Level-4 warning, report the user to WP:AIV. --Anbu121 (talk me) 11:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Replacing primary sources with reliable secondary ones would strengthen your case. Roger (talk) 12:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

How can I edit some content on your site?

How can I edit some content on your site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testinganswers (talk • contribs) 11:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Why, it's as easy as clicking on the tab that says "edit" at the top of the page! Well, unless you've stumbled on a semi-protected page. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

See more at Help:Editing and come back if you have a more specific question. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Place symbol insert back to former position

Anyone have a method (maybe something I could add to my Monobook.css) to restore the insert symbols dialogue back below the save page/preview/show changes buttons, if this is possible?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Have you disabled "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

That has no effect. I wasn't clear because I was assuming others were seeing the same thing as me, but Vector users are having an entirely different issue which you were correct in assuming was my issue as well; let me clarify. A problem people have been having with the recent changes is that the insert field disappears when the enhanced toolbar is enabled. That doesn't happen in Monobook. The issue is that the insert field, which used to positioned below the save page/preview/show changes buttons (like this), is now above them, sandwiched just below the edit window and above the edit summary field. I am not having any problem with the field disappearing but want to change its location back.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Changes to the Vector buttons says: "the edit tools will be returning on Thursday (touch wood)". I don't know whether that only means returning somewhere for those who lost them completely, or also returning to the old position. I would not spend time on it now wait and see what happens. Later it may be incorporated in the toolbar above the edit box. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Alice Askew

I created a page for the above person, who co-wrote novels with her husband, Claude Askew. Should I create a page for him, even though I have no more information about him than that which I have included under her name.Collywolly (talk) 12:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I reckon a redirect from him to her is best - and have created it at Claude Askew. PamD 13:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I was tempted to do that myself, but thought it best to ask.Collywolly (talk) 13:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

how to create, save and perpetually recall a book

I have had to recreate my book three times on Wikipedia because each time I attempt to recall the book it is gone. I have visited the Teahouse and FAQ page and have not found any basic list of instructions on how to create, save and recall a book. Does a book just get removed if it is not visited for a specific amount of time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artboccuti (talk • contribs) 13:46, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I think the problem is that your account is not autoconfirmed yet. You've had it long enough timewise, but you've not made the required ten edits yet according to your contributions history. If you take a look at Help:Books#Saving and sharing your book with others, it says you need to have an account that is autoconfirmed in order to be able to save books, so if you've been trying to create them with your IP address, while not logged in, that won't work either. Make a few more edits, to bring your total over ten, and you should then find that you're autoconfirmed. Then follow the advice at Help:Books. If you need any more help, let us know. Regards - Karenjc 17:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Many Thanks Karenjc. This may be the most obvious question you will get today, but I must nonetheless ask. How do I make edits? The 6 edits that are listed to my account all pertain to my original question on saving and recalling a Wiki book. So is an "edit" an inquiry on the Help Desk page? If so should I go the the help desk and ask the question four more separate times? I most often remember to sign in, and when I don't I always go back and sign in before adding to my book, so signing in shouldn't be the problem. Again many thanks and I'm sorry for being such a blockhead. Art. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artboccuti (talk • contribs) 12:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

No, an edit is any edit to any page on Wikipedia. See Help:Editing. The easiest place to accrue edits without doing actual work is to post to the WP:sandbox. - Purplewowies (talk) 12:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

So confused and frustrated

Hi I wrote an article which was declined for reading too much like an advert, I have now re-edited so it's more factual and it now has Waiting to be Reviewed at the top and Declined at the bottom!!!! Talk about confusing. Now tearing hair out because I don't know what else to do and there seems to be no support contact, gah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gertie192 (talk • contribs) 14:19, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, the article was declined for being too much like an advert. It's true that it is not written in an encyclopaedic tone and reads more like a press release or brochure copy at present, but you can address that. Take a look at some articles about other companies for a model. An encyclopaedia article about a company is typically structured something along the lines of "ABCD inc. is a software company started in XXXX and based in XX. It has done AA, BB and CC, and is best known for Y." More detail then follows. In among this, crucially, are assertions that show how the company is notable by Wikipedia standards. The notability criteria for companies can be found here, and the general notability guideline is here - the article must show how the company meets one or the other of these guidelines, with supporting references. Unfortunately your references aren't very good, because most link either to user-generated content (not a reliable source) or to simple sales listings. Neither of these constitute the "substantial coverage in independent reliable sources" that would permit EuroSmartz to pass the notability test. The best reference you have so far is the pcadvisor.com story, but on its own it doesn't constitute substantial coverage - you need more references to articles like this about the company if you are to demonstrate that it and its products have been covered independently by the news media. Address this issue, and rewrite the existing copy in the style of an encyclopaedia article, and it has a much better chance of being accepted for publication. - Karenjc 14:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Nii Ōshima and Ōshima, Ehime

These 2 pages are referred to the same island, as you can see if you check the Japanese links. --Carlo58s (talk) 14:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The co-ordinates show 2 totally different places on the map, and the descriptions sound very different. I can't read the Japanese links, but they seem to go to different pages. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes true. Sorry for my mistake. I have clicked twice the same link and I was sure that I had clicked both. Sorry again! --Carlo58s (talk) 17:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

imagine that you are in search of employment with a company or government department,what do and dont your would keep in mind in your job hunt

imagine that you are in search of employment with a company or government department,what do and dont your would keep in mind in your job hunt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.218.115.124 (talk) 15:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

1. Punctuation.
2. Capitalization.
3. Spelling.
4. Grammar.
5. Asking questions in appropriate places.

—Kww(talk) 15:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

LOL! Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 15:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

This is the Help Desk, where you can get help with using and finding your way around Wikipedia. We don't usually answer knowledge questions (that's what the Reference Desk is for) or give opinions, and we don't do people's homework for them either. If you want to know how to present yourself personally in a job application form or interview, there are plenty of sites out there with helpful advice. - Karenjc 16:10, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

citation source

Are references to Marquis Who's Who considered reliable source citations in writing biographical entries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msmslblb (talk • contribs) 16:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope (see WP:SPS). They pretty much take anything you tell them for gospel (I've been in there myself.) --Orange Mike | Talk 17:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Not that the gospel is a reliable source either.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:16, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Adding information to an article

I have additional information for the Wikipedia entry on Amado Crowley (Amado Crowley) and would like to know how I can upload the information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xentophace (talk • contribs) 16:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

See Help:Edit, and make sure you have reliable sources for your edits.--ukexpat (talk) 17:06, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

乌拉跨氪

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello, there was no advertising word in the articles (Le Siècle, Corps of Mines, ...) in Chinese version, they were the translation of English or French versions. Why he (乌拉跨氪) deleted partially the articles (lists of members, admission conditions, references, ... and each time the "excellence" was mentionned)? Why he prohibits the author? Why nobody else can verify the articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.117.157.164 (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Which edits to which articles are you questioning? I can't see any recent problems with Corps of Mines (France), Le Siècle (think tank), or with Le Siècle. If you are asking not about edits in the English Wikipedia but in the Chinese Wikipedia, you'll need to ask there. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:47, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

If your problem is with User:乌拉跨氪, you should be able to contact him at zh:User talk:乌拉跨氪 or perhaps even User talk:乌拉跨氪. —teb728 t c 18:55, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

He didn't discuss! He deleted first, no answer to questions. When the articles were corrected back, he deleted them again and forbided the author. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.117.157.164 (talk) 20:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

乌拉跨氪 again

Hello, some articles (Le Siècle, Corps of mines, ...) were translated into Chinese. In these articles, there was no word of advertising, but he (乌拉跨氪, Hong Kong) deleted all lists of members, admission requirements, related references, and each time when "best students" or "best schools" were mentioned he deleted them. These articles do no more reflect the facts (or almost distorted). He forbids the author to log on zh.wikipedia. It is unfair. Could someone do anything?

Other articles about some French companies, he deleted the "Markets and Products", the CEO names, as they are advertising. I don't understand this person!

Chinese Wikipedia is a separate project. Nobody on English Wikipedia can do anything about what they do there. —teb728 t c 19:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

But how can Chinese wikipedia let him do this?

You still don't understand. You are on the wrong site. This is not the Chinese wikipedia. We are not speaking for them. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 20:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Maple Jam Music Group

I'm having a hard time trying to delete the account "Maple Jam Music Group [us]". My boss is the President of Maple Jam but it has now changed to only a management group. She would like to delete Maple Jam Music Group [us] due to the company no longer existing. If you'd like prove please feel free to call Star Andreef and you can verify the companies new name at www.mjmg.us

We just want the account deleted please & thank you.

Sincerly,

Taylor Beckett (Star Andreef's personal assistant) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylorashlynn1 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I can’t find any account by that name, but there is an article, Maple Jam Music Group. Is that what you are talking about?

Articles are not generally deleted just because the subject changes names. And the article is certainly not subject to Ms. Andreef’s approval. There is, however, a possibility the article might be deleted if the Maple Jam Music Group never met our notability standard. —teb728 t c 19:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Maple Jam Music Group isn't an "account", it is a Wikipedia article and we do not delete articles merely at the request of someone connected with the subject matter of the article. If the article is factually incorrect, please use its talk page to suggest how it should be changed to reflect the change in the group's activities, and provide some reliable sources to verify, thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion for WIKIPEDIA to add this Person Encyclopedia

Aida Giachello Maisonet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidagiachello (talk • contribs) 21:48, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

You can list her at Wikipedia:Requested articles. If it's you or you represent or are closely connected to her then see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest if you consider adding information about her yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

October 3

a page deleted

Hi,

I am a new user here. Needed a little help.

A page under the title Tarana Raja Kapoor was deleted on 29 December 2007 by an admin who is no longer active. How can i get the complete information that why was it deleted as I want to write an article on the same title and dont want it to be deleted.

Also can a moderator or volunteer help me with my way further.

Sana.Murri (talk) 21:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sana.Murri, one suggestion of a place to create your article is WP:AFC. There, your article won't be deleted right away, but it might be declined if it isn't ready yet. That gives you a chance to improve it, until it is ready.

Always remember that including good sources for every fact is the way forward - WP:42 and WP:REFB will help you with this. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Tarana Raja Kapoor was unsourced and only had a few lines of adoration, sounding like a fan in love. It started "Tarana Raja Kapoor is an extraordinary person, stunning anchor, RJ, a wonderful actress, and a voice-over artist." Just ignore it and try to write a real article at WP:AFC, satisfying Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Photo requirements

What do you do when you are an ordinary mortal and you cannot understand the licensing requirements? I quote from "Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion of a photo" ...

"F3. Improper license. Media licensed as "for non-commercial use only" (including non-commercial Creative Commons licenses), "no derivative use", "for Wikipedia use only" or "used with permission" may be deleted, unless they comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content. Files licensed under versions of the GFDL prior to 1.3, without allowing for later versions, may be deleted."

Sheesh. All of the photos I put in an article four years ago were deleted. Can somebody translate the above? It seems like "for Wikipedia use only" and "used with permission" are exactly what *should be used in Wikipedia. This seems like Twilight Zone. Help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3dimen (talk • contribs) 00:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a goal of producing reusable content; so with limited exceptions Wikipedia accepts only content that permits reuse by anyone for anything, including commercial use and derivative works. —teb728 t c 01:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

(e/c) There is no way to make it truly simple if you want to understand it well, because the details of image use is simply not simple, but I think it might help for you to first understand what is the perfect type of image, rather than seeing a laundry list of the things that we don't want. What we want are images that are in the public domain (not copyright-protected at all), or if copyrighted, that bear a free copyright license that allow free reuse even for commercial purposes with very little restriction. This is what the WP:CC-By-SA license is. As stated at Wikipedia:Non-free content: "Wikipedia's goal is to be a free content encyclopedia, with free content defined as content that does not bear copyright restrictions on the right to redistribute, study, modify and improve, or otherwise use works for any purpose in any medium, even commercially." So breaking down this list of negatives from the speedy deletion criterion, we don't want images that are:

• "For non-commercial use only": because our standard is for material that can even be reused for commercial purposes, a very non-restrictive copyright license;
• "No derivative use": because making derivative use verboten is highly restrictive on reuse;
• "For Wikipedia use only": because this restricts our users from reuse (it means "you can only use it on Wikipedia"), and we are all about allowing people to take our content and reuse it;
• "Used with permission: rather similar to the last, this means its use here is specifically permitted, but that's all.

There is a policy we have that allows use of images that are copyrighted in a manner more restrictive than our licenses – even use of fully copyrighted images. It's called Fair Use and is a doctrine which "permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders." However, all instances of fair use is considered not ideal; we do allow it but only under very strict standards that a media file must meet. Those standards are set forth at Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Turning to some specifics, File:Bott 2068761571.jpg, for example, was licensed under cc-by-nc-nd which does not allow commercial or derivative use, so it is incompatible with our license. It's possible some of the images that were deleted could meet our standards for fair use, but that a whole nother ball 'o wax; one must provide a fair use rationale for each use of the image and the use must meet the criteria I linked earlier. It is indeed a pain, it is frustrating, but it is necessary for us. The ridiculously widened reach of copyright of the modern age, so much expanded from its roots, is a big part of the problem. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion for programmers - finding images

I was searching for an image and I tried the following terms in the search box...

• 488824530.jpg
• File:488824530.jpg
• File:Vol 488851659.jpg
• File:Ap cov 488824530.jpg
• Image:Bott 488824530.jpg

Could the programmers at Wikipedia make the search process a little more intuitive and forgiving?

Or has this image actually been deleted? In that case, wouldn't it be more helpful to tell the user? And more important, shouldn't old images be preserved (even if not used in an article) so that prior copyrights can be examined?

Last questions: where to put suggestions for Wikipedia programmers? Do they read this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3dimen (talk • contribs)

File:Ap cov 488824530.jpg was deleted because of a copyright violation. All the intuitive and forgiving programming in the world cannot find an image that does not exist on a website. BTW, you can search for a filename at http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en by entering the file name in the search field and specifying en.wikipedia.org in the domain field. As for "preserving" old images, that depends on why they may have been deleted. Images that have copyright restrictions and not licensed for use by Wikipedia cannot be kept for legal reasons. Cresix (talk) 01:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

And to answer your last question, see WP:VPT for adding suggestions for the Wikipedia programmers. Dismas|^(talk) 02:35, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Helpful response, thank you. Cresix, your answer goes to my point that the Wikipedia interface should return *something. You must have had a magical way of knowing that 488824530.jpg was deleted. How does a typical user know this? Wikipedia must store this information somewhere and it really should be reported to a searcher. I will post this issue to Village pump (technical). By the way, an advanced Google search for "488824530.jpg" in the Wikipedia domain returns no results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3dimen (talk • contribs)

At Special:Log/delete you can see whether a specific page or file name has been deleted. Your talk page (linked on "My talk" at top of any page) has links to deletion logs for three deleted files including File:Ap cov 488824530.jpg. If you don't know the precise name then it can be harder to find deletions. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

new editor needs guidance

This new editor: User talk:Anniming seems to need some friendly guidance. They are 3 for 3 on edits made and reverted.

I know there used to be templates for this sort of thing. Please will someone who is current on this add something suitable. Wanderer57 (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 07:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Confermation about teacher Name Verra Seekra

Sir

Please let me conferm that mentioned in subject Teacher is still in service to search this respected teacher We are mentioning some Point

1.got tranning in PITAC Lahore Pakistan In Tool engineering Technique

2 engaged In Mechinical Department

From Altaf Mahmood (Manager Design PITAC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.154.102 (talk) 07:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you may be lost. This website is Wikipedia, an online encyclopaedia, and this page is for asking and answering questions about how to use it. It sounds like you're trying to contact a company to give a job reference for somebody. You won't reach them through this page, I'm afraid. - Karenjc 08:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Random information visible on article page

Hi,

I added an image to this page: Knut Vollebæk, but the text: [[file: |300px|alt=]] is visible under the image. Can anyone help me get rid of this?--MP at HCNM (talk) 08:40, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done here. The infobox only requires the bare filename of the image, with no extra formatting. - Karenjc 08:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, also for the reason. Looks great.--MP at HCNM (talk) 09:49, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing of information

Im the head of one of the depertments at JSC MAdneui. Our company info is incorrect and would like to edit it. Also company has changed name so what do I need to make the corrections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.83.137.69 (talk) 11:12, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Please mention on the talk page of the article the correction you would like to make along with sources that support your information. --Anbu121 (talk me) 11:21, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I have moved the page to JSC RMG Copper to reflect the name change, as confirmed by the company's website.--ukexpat (talk) 13:10, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

ARTICLES IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE AND TRANSLATION

Is an article written in a specific language on Wikipedia always subject to be translated in an other one or the entire process for notability needs to be repeated? I thought it needs only a correct translation to publish from a language to an other until I've read that translator has to submit every article already published in a language to the community of the other language as a "stub"

This means that what is notable in a country can be not notable in another, isn't? And that knowledge changes from place to place, is not all the same?

Thanks in advance for any answers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.7.220.42 (talk) 11:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Each Wikipedia may have its own guidelines and policies regarding notability, so the presence of an article on one can not be taken as an assurance that it is acceptable elsewhere. We can only provide help with English-language Wikipedia issues here though - if you wish to add an article to another Wikipedia, you will have to discuss any problems there. AndyTheGrump (talk)

Well, all Wikipedias are basically global. What you need to worry about is the notability guidelines at that specific Wikipedia, the most basic of which can be found in the interwiki/language links of WP:N. - Purplewowies (talk) 13:06, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Display the archives

I don't know the proper procedure to display the archives on a talk page.

The page is Wikipedia talk:Copyright violations

The archive is at: Wikipedia talk:Copyright violations/Archive 1--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:51, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done I added an archives box. –– Anonymouse321 (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Dominican Republic is a separate country than Dominica both located in the southern Caribbean. Different countries Dominica (The Commonwealth of Dominica) is not The Dominican Republic...Your site redirects Dominica to Dominican Republic is in the "same" country.

Please repair!