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:Which specific graphs do you think don't improve the articles? And what pattern are you talking about? I've been adding graphs in several different topics, none of which I have any COI or work interest in. —[[User talk:Cupco|'''''<font color="#0c0">Cup</font><font color="#630">co</font>''''']] 19:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC) |
:Which specific graphs do you think don't improve the articles? And what pattern are you talking about? I've been adding graphs in several different topics, none of which I have any COI or work interest in. —[[User talk:Cupco|'''''<font color="#0c0">Cup</font><font color="#630">co</font>''''']] 19:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::The pattern that I'm seeing is that you're adding content (and graphs) to articles that have little relation or lack proper context for the topic. I've see it with [[User:BoogaLouie]], [[User:Arthur_Rubin]], and myself - just in passing. It's a repeating theme. I don't know if you're too eager in adding content and not paying enough attention, if you're just not reading the material, if you don't understand the material, or if you're trying to push a point of view. We had a [[User_talk:Cupco/Archive_1#Tax_chart|discussion a couple weeks]] ago on several tax articles where I thought we came to an understanding. I thought we reached a compromise,[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cupco&diff=prev&oldid=513899125] then you proceeded to revert the caption we just discussed[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Progressive_tax&diff=prev&oldid=514636285][https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Regressive_tax&diff=514636069&oldid=513874187] and reinstated the material anyway.[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tax_incidence&diff=prev&oldid=515843544] What gives? Your image added to global [[tax incidence]] article shows the effective tax rates in the United States. How does that image help the user understand the $1 Apple example, how the tax falls to the consumer or the farmer, and the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply? It doesn't, it has no relation whatsoever - so stop inserting it. Read the damn section before you stick a graph in it and make sure the caption is directly relevant to the content. In the global [[Income tax]] article in the section discussing "Principles of taxation" you insert "Top marginal U.S. income tax rates from 1913 to 2011" and "Average annual growth in U.S. employment, by top income tax bracket rate, 1940–2011". Again, how does that image help the user understand the topics that are discussed in that section in a global context? For the [[Laffer curve]], what does "The U.S. federal effective corporate tax rate, 1947-2011" have to do with Supply-side economics? The image doesn't tell me anything with context. What is the job growth showing, except [[WP:SYN]], suggesting a tax rate above 75% is the best for economic growth. I'm glad your adding content and images, you seemed well intentioned - let's just make sure that they're on topic and help the reader understand the content. [[User:Morphh|<span style="color:green">Morphh</span>]] <sup>[[user talk:Morphh|<span style="color:chocolate">(talk)</span>]]</sup> <small><i>21:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)</i></small> |
::The pattern that I'm seeing is that you're adding content (and graphs) to articles that have little relation or lack proper context for the topic. I've see it with [[User:BoogaLouie]], [[User:Arthur_Rubin]], and myself - just in passing. It's a repeating theme. I don't know if you're too eager in adding content and not paying enough attention, if you're just not reading the material, if you don't understand the material, or if you're trying to push a point of view. We had a [[User_talk:Cupco/Archive_1#Tax_chart|discussion a couple weeks]] ago on several tax articles where I thought we came to an understanding. I thought we reached a compromise,[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cupco&diff=prev&oldid=513899125] then you proceeded to revert the caption we just discussed[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Progressive_tax&diff=prev&oldid=514636285][https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Regressive_tax&diff=514636069&oldid=513874187] and reinstated the material anyway.[https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Tax_incidence&diff=prev&oldid=515843544] What gives? Your image added to global [[tax incidence]] article shows the effective tax rates in the United States. How does that image help the user understand the $1 Apple example, how the tax falls to the consumer or the farmer, and the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply? It doesn't, it has no relation whatsoever - so stop inserting it. Read the damn section before you stick a graph in it and make sure the caption is directly relevant to the content. In the global [[Income tax]] article in the section discussing "Principles of taxation" you insert "Top marginal U.S. income tax rates from 1913 to 2011" and "Average annual growth in U.S. employment, by top income tax bracket rate, 1940–2011". Again, how does that image help the user understand the topics that are discussed in that section in a global context? For the [[Laffer curve]], what does "The U.S. federal effective corporate tax rate, 1947-2011" have to do with Supply-side economics? The image doesn't tell me anything with context. What is the job growth showing, except [[WP:SYN]], suggesting a tax rate above 75% is the best for economic growth. I'm glad your adding content and images, you seemed well intentioned - let's just make sure that they're on topic and help the reader understand the content. [[User:Morphh|<span style="color:green">Morphh</span>]] <sup>[[user talk:Morphh|<span style="color:chocolate">(talk)</span>]]</sup> <small><i>21:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)</i></small> |
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:::I've replied to this at [[Talk:Income tax#US-specific graphs used to illustrate an example]], [[Talk:Tax incidence#U.S. incidence graph]], [[Talk:Laffer curve#Graphs removed]], and [[Talk:Income inequality in the United States#Material not related to article]] discussing particular graphs' relation to particular articles. —[[User talk:Cupco|'''''<font color="#0c0">Cup</font><font color="#630">co</font>''''']] 01:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, but please also be careful to avoid edit warring. If someone reverts your edit. Please go to discussion, using the [[WP:BRD]] cycle. After R comes D, not another R. Is it really necessary to revert taking out an image? [[User:Delphi234|Delphi234]] ([[User talk:Delphi234|talk]]) 02:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC) |
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Gadget for subst'ing Cite_journal
I have created a quick gadget {subst:Template:Fcite_journal/subst|...} which can store subst'ed {Cite_journal} entries as simple wiki-text, omitting the <span class=...> and tedious COinS metadata. Unfortunately, there are still some formatting characters stored, such   for space and "<b/>;" for semicolons, due to restrictions in storing lead-spaces or semicolons in text. However, the resulting text is portable to other wikis, which lack {Cite_journal}. Example (edit this talk-topic and look inside for results):
{{subst:Fcite journal/subst | last1 = Chin | first1 = H. B. | last2 = Sipe | first2 = T. A. | last3 = Elder | first3 = R. | last4 = Mercer | first4 = S. L. | last5 = Chattopadhyay | first5 = S. K. | last6 = Jacob | first6 = V. | last7 = Wethington | first7 = H. R. | last8 = Kirby | first8 = D. | last9 = Elliston | first9 = D. B. | doi = 10.1016/j.amepre.2011.11.006 | title = The Effectiveness of Group-Based Comprehensive Risk-Reduction and Abstinence Education Interventions to Prevent or Reduce the Risk of Adolescent Pregnancy, Human Immunodeficiency Virus, and Sexually Transmitted Infections | journal = American Journal of Preventive Medicine | volume = 42 | issue = 3 | pages = 272–294 | year = 2012 | pmid = 22341164 | pmc = | url = http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(11)00906-8/abstract }}
Subst'ed result: Chin, H. B.; Sipe, T. A.; Elder, R.; Mercer, S. L.; Chattopadhyay, S. K.; Jacob, V.; Wethington, H. R.; Kirby, D.; et al. (2012). "The Effectiveness of Group-Based Comprehensive Risk-Reduction and Abstinence Education Interventions to Prevent or Reduce the Risk of Adolescent Pregnancy, Human Immunodeficiency Virus, and Sexually Transmitted Infections". American Journal of Preventive Medicine 42 (3): 272–294. . PMID 22341164.
The {Fcite_journal/subst} handles most options of {Cite_journal} and puts "et al." for author9. Meanwhile, I am still working with Template:If to replace the " " with simple spaces, but feel free to use it as needed. I know many articles have like "46" {cite_journal} entries, which can be too tedious for wiki-reformatting by hand. The next step, below, is to replace all {cite_pmid} entries.
Subst'ing Cite_pmid to Cite_journal to Fcite_journal/subst: To answer your original problem, edit the new page twice, copying all {cite_pmid} to the new page. First subst all of the {cite_pmid|222333} as slashed {subst:cite_pmid/222333|noedit}, and then re-edit that subst'ed page and subst all the new {cite_journal} entries:
- Edit 1: Subst every {cite_pmid} with "/"
- {subst:cite_pmid/111222|noedit}
- {subst:cite_pmid/111333|noedit}
- {subst:cite_pmid/111444|noedit}
- Upon SAVE, all {cite_pmid/...} become {cite_journal} entries.
- Edit 2: Subst every {cite_journal} with "F /subst"
- {subst:Fcite_journal/subst |... pmid=111222|...}
- {subst:Fcite_journal/subst |... pmid=111333|...}
- {subst:Fcite_journal/subst |... pmid=111444|...}
By that 2-step process, then all {cite_pmid} will become simple wiki-text cites with no more templates in use. Should take just a few minutes to convert all 46 {cite_pmid} to clean, portable wiki-text. Ask below if any questions. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:29, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Power-to-Gas
Hello! According to this page, the project is supposed to go on line in autumn 2012. --Eike sauer (talk) 14:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Danke schoen! —Cupco 20:04, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi! Concerning your message in the "Auskunft": Thank you very much, although most of us are not directly involved. ;) Looking at your machine translated text (the term "deutsches Volk" is somewhat unusal nowadays, see Volk (disambiguation)), it might be better you just ask in English though. :) Most poeple will understand it anyhow. --Eike (Diskussion) 19:29, 11. Sep. 2012 (CEST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eike sauer (talk • contribs) 17:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
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Please stop dumping junk into the article. The article is about income inequality, not tax policy and employment. See here. --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:08, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
- Replied at Talk:Income inequality in the United States#Material not related to article. —Cupco 01:29, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Bob Corker - Blind Trust
Hi Cupco, I've responded to your question on the Bob Corker Talk page. Thanks. Mark from tn (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- Replied there. —Cupco 13:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for helping with this request Cupco. If you can, would you mind also helping with my other request on Sen. Corker's article? Thanks. Mark from tn (talk) 15:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Censorship and Sock puppetry
Cupco. I respect your wish to be discrete about the gnaa but I find that wikipedia is not the place for censorship. I suspect that youre a sockpuppet of selery who was banned. Basedircrory (talk) 20:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I am not a sockpuppet
Please do not accuse me of being a sockpuppet when you are a sockpuppet of a banned user selery. Basedircrory (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Responded at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LiteralKa. —Cupco 21:21, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
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Graphs
Please stop pushing these graphs into every article you can find some vague association. You're not improving the articles. I watch many of the articles you've been working on and I'm seeing a pattern. Only insert graphs if they directly relate and provide easy examples/reference to the material being covered. Morphh (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Which specific graphs do you think don't improve the articles? And what pattern are you talking about? I've been adding graphs in several different topics, none of which I have any COI or work interest in. —Cupco 19:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- The pattern that I'm seeing is that you're adding content (and graphs) to articles that have little relation or lack proper context for the topic. I've see it with User:BoogaLouie, User:Arthur_Rubin, and myself - just in passing. It's a repeating theme. I don't know if you're too eager in adding content and not paying enough attention, if you're just not reading the material, if you don't understand the material, or if you're trying to push a point of view. We had a discussion a couple weeks ago on several tax articles where I thought we came to an understanding. I thought we reached a compromise,[3] then you proceeded to revert the caption we just discussed[4][5] and reinstated the material anyway.[6] What gives? Your image added to global tax incidence article shows the effective tax rates in the United States. How does that image help the user understand the $1 Apple example, how the tax falls to the consumer or the farmer, and the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply? It doesn't, it has no relation whatsoever - so stop inserting it. Read the damn section before you stick a graph in it and make sure the caption is directly relevant to the content. In the global Income tax article in the section discussing "Principles of taxation" you insert "Top marginal U.S. income tax rates from 1913 to 2011" and "Average annual growth in U.S. employment, by top income tax bracket rate, 1940–2011". Again, how does that image help the user understand the topics that are discussed in that section in a global context? For the Laffer curve, what does "The U.S. federal effective corporate tax rate, 1947-2011" have to do with Supply-side economics? The image doesn't tell me anything with context. What is the job growth showing, except WP:SYN, suggesting a tax rate above 75% is the best for economic growth. I'm glad your adding content and images, you seemed well intentioned - let's just make sure that they're on topic and help the reader understand the content. Morphh (talk) 21:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've replied to this at Talk:Income tax#US-specific graphs used to illustrate an example, Talk:Tax incidence#U.S. incidence graph, Talk:Laffer curve#Graphs removed, and Talk:Income inequality in the United States#Material not related to article discussing particular graphs' relation to particular articles. —Cupco 01:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, but please also be careful to avoid edit warring. If someone reverts your edit. Please go to discussion, using the WP:BRD cycle. After R comes D, not another R. Is it really necessary to revert taking out an image? Delphi234 (talk) 02:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- I've replied to this at Talk:Income tax#US-specific graphs used to illustrate an example, Talk:Tax incidence#U.S. incidence graph, Talk:Laffer curve#Graphs removed, and Talk:Income inequality in the United States#Material not related to article discussing particular graphs' relation to particular articles. —Cupco 01:37, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- The pattern that I'm seeing is that you're adding content (and graphs) to articles that have little relation or lack proper context for the topic. I've see it with User:BoogaLouie, User:Arthur_Rubin, and myself - just in passing. It's a repeating theme. I don't know if you're too eager in adding content and not paying enough attention, if you're just not reading the material, if you don't understand the material, or if you're trying to push a point of view. We had a discussion a couple weeks ago on several tax articles where I thought we came to an understanding. I thought we reached a compromise,[3] then you proceeded to revert the caption we just discussed[4][5] and reinstated the material anyway.[6] What gives? Your image added to global tax incidence article shows the effective tax rates in the United States. How does that image help the user understand the $1 Apple example, how the tax falls to the consumer or the farmer, and the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply? It doesn't, it has no relation whatsoever - so stop inserting it. Read the damn section before you stick a graph in it and make sure the caption is directly relevant to the content. In the global Income tax article in the section discussing "Principles of taxation" you insert "Top marginal U.S. income tax rates from 1913 to 2011" and "Average annual growth in U.S. employment, by top income tax bracket rate, 1940–2011". Again, how does that image help the user understand the topics that are discussed in that section in a global context? For the Laffer curve, what does "The U.S. federal effective corporate tax rate, 1947-2011" have to do with Supply-side economics? The image doesn't tell me anything with context. What is the job growth showing, except WP:SYN, suggesting a tax rate above 75% is the best for economic growth. I'm glad your adding content and images, you seemed well intentioned - let's just make sure that they're on topic and help the reader understand the content. Morphh (talk) 21:15, 3 October 2012 (UTC)