Talk:Swords, Dublin

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Please note also: SWORDS (Special Weapons Observation Reconnaissance Detection System)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWORDS

Don't worry, 2 links are in english language --217.64.171.188 18:02, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Irish Language Name

With relation to the Irish language name for Swords, I would say it is "Sórd Choilm Cille", meaning "the sward of St. Collumcille". I'll leave it for a while and see if anyone has another opinion. Bolak77 16:38, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Swords Castle

As far as I am aware Swords Castle was built in the 13th or 14th centuries so the tidbit about Brian Boru, i believe, is incorrect.

1. Thats Correct, The Castle was built for the Archbishop of Dublin in Medieval times.

1. Brian Boru was taken to the Catholic Monastery in Swords founded by St. Colmcille after he died. It Most Cerainly existed at the time of the battle of Clontarf.

Proposing a move to Swords, Fingal

This article currently resides at Swords, Dublin, but as is clear from the article text itself, it should more properly be at Swords, Fingal. I propose moving it there. Comments? Bastun 17:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no COunty Fingal. It should stay where it is.

Actually, there's no County Dublin. Read Fingal and it's talk page for verification. Bastun 00:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this issue would be best discussed on the talk page of WP:IMOS as though your technically quite correct it could be controversial and would need endorsement and acceptance by Irish editors if to be implemented in a meaningful way. Djegan 00:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep. Did a search for ", Dublin" earlier and there's actually quite a lot of towns and suburbs listed as "Wherever, Dublin" that should more properly be under Fingal, South Dublin or Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. Proposing moves one by one would be slow and, as you say, will probably be controversial. Will post about it on WP:IMOS tomorrow when I'm more awake. Bastun 01:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Where is the discussion agreeing to the abrupt, and apparently undiscussed, move of Swords, Dublin (meaningful to most people) to Swords, Fingal (not meaningful). To most, the 26 traditional counties are the only ones that matter, and Fingal / South Dublin / etc. are no more significant than the patchwork they made of the Six Counties, or back in 1972/1974 of the whole UK system! Fingal County Council is simply one of three administrative authorities in the County of Dublin, and that will be so for a long time, regardless of legislation (some people mistake law for reality but WP's collective wisdom should be able to do better). 83.250.96.225 (talk) 12:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Here. Djegan (talk) 16:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! But that discussion concluded, noting especially WP:COMMONNAME, that the designation of "Swords, Fingal" should NOT be implemented as primary, but only as a redirect to Swords, Dublin, so let's do that commonsense thing. 83.250.96.225 (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

(de-indent) I will leave it to one of the three very active editors involved in that discussion to reverse the non-agreed move, leaving this as a redirect page to Swords, Dublin. It is great to see that WP can have the sort of discussion I hoped for. 83.250.96.225 (talk) 20:56, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 23:27, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

This page has been moved to "Swords, County Dublin" for no adequate reason. County Dublin does not exist. The consensus appears to be that "Swords, Dublin" is the most agreeable name for this page - this name change should be reverted. Bscanlan (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:NC:CITY#Ireland, standard disambiguation for Irish places is "Placename, County X". There's no reason to break that in this case. If you want to be perfectly correct, the article should be at "Swords, County of Fingal", or "Swords, Fingal County", but I'm not sure if that goes with WP:COMMONNAME. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 10:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Once again, this page has been moved to Swords, County Dublin. This should be reversed, or County Fingal used instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bscanlan (talk • contribs) 22:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Both should be used. It should be "Swords, Fingal, Dublin". This makes it clear to people that Swords is in both Fingal and Dublin, and Fingal is in Dublin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.88.217 (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Social mix section

Not sure if the following under Modern Swords is meaningful or encyclopedic, especially the schools bit, which seems to have been written to "explain away" the "disadvantage tag", edited, and then edited again to stress the disadvantage issue:

As such, it might be said that the town never experiences full-scale middle-class, neither does it experience any major problems associated with large-scale disadvantage.

The fact that two of the towns' four secondary schools are designated as disadvantaged (St. Finian's C.C. and Fingal C.C.), and the other two (Loreto College Swords and Colaiste Choilm) are not, shows how complex the social mix is.

I have put the explanation of the VEC term disadvantage in a reference, as it is just one body's term, not an absolute. 217.213.75.145 08:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I've removing a sentence in the 'housing' section referring to the location of social and private housing estates next to each other. It seems to suggest that social exclusion does not exist as a result of this. This is subjective and not encyclopedic. Many thanks, Vincent Richarv2 (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, i have again removed a line from this section regarding the location of local authority and privately owned housing estates. The paragraph was not encyclopedic, Richarv2 (talk) 15:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Vincent

Amenities

I've removed the Links to Roganstown, and "Swords" Open Golf Club as they add nothing to the Article and are Merely there to advertise the two Golf Courses (Owned by the Same Family), besides the only Golf Courses in Swords itself are Forest Little and Swords Open, Roganstown is Part of Ballyboughal. Stabilo boss 10:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Roganstown own website http://www.roganstown.com/roganstown_location.php seem to think they are in Swords. What makes you think it is Ballyboughal???

• • Roganstown is a townland in the Parish of Ballyboughal, Advertising it as "Swords" makes it easier to Sell for the owners. It is bordered By Skiddoo (Ballyboughal) Lispopple (Rolestown) and Saucerstown (Swords). The Phone Number (Allocated by Exchange, Which is set down by the Local Exchange, definded by P&T, the forerunners of An Post and Telecom Eireann, is 01 8433 xxx which is the phone no. for the Ballyboughal / Oldtown Exchange. If it were in Swords they would be allocated a Swords No. Roganstown I'm afraid is in Ballyboughal. see Fingal County Council Map The Green area is Swords the Blue is not. Besides the Main reason I deleted the reference was because it was SPAM. Wikipedia is not an Advertising Platform. Stabilo boss 15:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm Removing the Link to Swords Open Golf Course again. Advertising has no Place on Wikipedia. Stabilo boss (talk) 09:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

History section

This badly needs improvement. I was driving from the airport this morning and I saw a massive ruin on a hill so I drove up to find it and came across a housing estate called 'Abbeylea' which very helpfully had the Irish name on it, An Mainistir Liath, so I presume from that that the abbey was for the grey friars? Also, what's the background to Swords castle and its current renovation, which seems very extensive? Where are the local history buffs!? 86.42.96.251 (talk) 17:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Demographics Section

The Demographics section is too big compared to the rest of this page. I am suggesting that it is moved into a new page called Demographics of Swords. Does anyone have any problems with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.79.214 (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Lead image

This article is growing nicely, while one or two sections need work. But the lead picture is rather dull, so perhaps someone would have a good shot of Main Street, or Swords Castle, or one of the nice parks? Twilson r (talk) 13:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Population Figures

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the population of Swords. It is very frustrating to the people of Swords, but the truth is that the Central Statistics Office got it wrong. For some reason, they excluded the Holywell and Drynam estates and listed them as a separate town called Kinsealy-Drinan. I contacted the CSO about it and they referred me to page 44 of the document below: [1] It explains that the two areas are called census towns and that their borders are extended using a rule of 100 metres between buildings. However, the census towns of Swords and Kinsealy-Drinan are closer than 100 metres at several points and should have been ammalgamated under this rule. When I pointed this out I was told that the information had been "signed-off, published and issued" and that "Kinsealy-Drinan will not be made a part of Swords before the next census".

According to Fingal County Councils Development Plan their Swords Development Boundary includes Holywell and Drynam: [2] (red dashed line is the development boundary) and according to the Geodirectory Holywell and Drynam are part of Swords: [3]

This article is about the entire town of Swords, not just the census town. We can't ignore the fact the Holywell and Drynam are certaintly part of Swords.Royboymaps (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

If the CSO has got it wrong, I'm sure that they will correct it in good time, retrospectively even. Meantime, their word is gospel. To do anything else would constitute WP:Original Research. It's not for us to tell the CSO that they got it wrong. Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

There is still a lot of confusion over the population of Swords, and which areas the different figures refer to. The CSO's sapmap viewer clearly shows the outlines of each area and the population within each. [4] Urban areas are listed as "Towns/Cities (Settlements)". The borders of the developed area of Swords are defined in map 8 of the Fingal County Development Plan as a dashed red line. [5] Both the Swords and Kinsealy-Drinan Census towns are within this border. This means the the total population of the urban/developed area of Swords is 42738(36924 from Swords census town, 5814 from Kinsealy/Drinan census town). Electoral divisions are for legal reasons and do not show the populations of urban areas. Royboymaps (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)