Talk:List of poets

Various topics

Maveric, I think all of the lists of poets should be named "list of x language poets", since not all the "English poets" were from England, nor were the Germans from Germany, the French from France, and Latin is only a language (if put like this, one would think they're from Central or South America). Jeronimo 00:15 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

Yes it is more specific, but in English the word English has two valid meanings: a person or thing from England, or more common, the English language. There are about a half dozen of these to move but I will change them over to the more specific names if you feel strongly about this. Otherwise I need to go to bed. :) --mav

I know English also means the English language, but there's articles around called List of Spanish language poets and List of Welsh language poets. I think adding the language will be less ambiguous, as somebody might want to make a list of poets from England, or Spain, or France. Anyway, go to bed if you need it (c: Jeronimo

Fair enough. I will make the moves and fix the resulting broken redirects after work 16 hours from now. 'Nite. --mav 00:39 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

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Just wondering if anyone knows of any poets writing in Greek? I would add a page for it, only the only poet I know of for that category is Cavafy and I think it would look a trifle odd if there were only one person in the list. -- Egoinos

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Should we also have a "List of poems" that lists all poems appearing on Wikipedia? I added one today; see John Gillespie Magee, Junior. Michael Hardy 20:18 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

I don't think so. Most poems should be included in the articles about their author poets, surely?

I don't find that a cogent objection. Suppose someone is looking for a famous poem and knows the title but not the author. I suspect that happens often. Such a list would solve that person's problem: they'd click on the title and find the article about the author, which may include the poem. Probably a lot more people remember the simple title of the famous poem High Flight than the complicated name of its author. Michael Hardy 22:41 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

What if you put the names of the poems that each poet has written next to their names? Then someone looking for "high flight" could come here, do a quick search in page, and get to the right place. Plus, it would make this list more useful?

Could be, but what about poets who have written dozens or hundreds or thousands of poems? Michael Hardy 23:05 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

Well, if you're willing to put the work in to maintain it and keep it up to date - why not? :)

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24.25.14.19 (Nooneatall), I apologize for the harsh editing and the absence of constructive criticism. Thank you for rewaking me. I removed Patrick Herron from the list because a Google search for his name brought up some poetry, but also many other Patrick Herrons. I just now searched Google for Patrick Herron AND poetry, and I got 82 hits. He is a poet, but is he notable? What exactly are the perameters for notable? We can debate that here.

To help, I have changed List of poets into List of notable poets, and I added subcategories of List of web poetry artists and List of obscure poets.

Again, I apologize for my slash and burn edit. And thanks for reminding me of the wiki-spirit. It would be helpful for you to create an account so communication could occur within Wikipedia. The best way to reach me is at User talk:Kingturtle. I rarely check the email address you used to reach me.

As for your editing, you will quickly pick up on the conventions here, with practice and experience. Some places to look for help include Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style, Wikipedia:Guide to Layout, Wikipedia:How to edit a page, and Wikipedia:Brilliant prose. Kingturtle 06:24 May 7, 2003 (UTC) P.S. I am not an admin.

I personally dislike the name change from list of poets to list of notable poets. Generally we've standardised on list of X. The reasons are:

• guessability, accidental linking, etc
• conforms to most other article titles
• short name
• no arguments over "famous" vs "notable", etc
• Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - we're not in the business of covering stuff that isn't encyclopedic - there's no need to restate this in the article title, though it might be useful to restate it in the article intro
• we have poetry, not notable poetry

Martin

What then is to determine which names are on the List of poets article and which poets are not? Even by combining notable poets and obscure poets into one list, we are still confronted with the argument over included and excluded. I thought maybe ceating different lists would help over come excluding poets. I'm not married to the idea. But what will the requirements be for a poet to be listed on List of poets? Kingturtle 18:26 May 7, 2003 (UTC)

I've copied the header from list of people by occupation onto this article, which is probably a good first start. You can either try to get a rough consensus on who is "notable" or not, or you can use this page as a list of lists, and move all the poet names to sub-lists by language, genre, etc. It's really up to you and other poetry buffs - I don't mind as long as you keep the title nice and simple :) Martin

Seneca?

I disambiguated Seneca to Seneca the Elder, based on the dates already on this page. However, I'm not certain if it was intended to be Seneca the Elder, or Seneca the Younger -- more commonly known as "Seneca", who is a much more famous author. If someone knows, please say so and correct if necessary. -Anthropos 18:26, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Unknown poets on the page

I know nothing abt poets, but i've removed

• Peele (Batsabe Sings)

from both List of poets#P and List of people by name: Pe#Pec-Pee since there is no WP article, and i found nothing on Google. --Jerzy (t) 16:11, 2004 Mar 15 (UTC)

I know nothing abt poets, but i've removed

• Metcalf, Paul, (Melville's grandson)

from List of people by name: Mes-Mez#Meta - Metc and

• Paul Metcalf (Melville's grandson)

from List of poets#Me, since

there is no WP article,

Google gives

261 of about 496 for "Paul Metcalf " Melville OR poet

and the first page of Google is enuf to reveal that our informant didn't pay enough attention to get the right generation (and may be as wrong about notability).

(Gosh, i thot i had never been to this article, let alone this talk. But i already got suspicious when i noticed the "various topics" heading.... Well, i guess i'm a pseudo-poetic busybody.)
--Jerzy(t) 18:35, 2004 Sep 21 (UTC)

Guess i just can't quit: fixed L.E. Sisson to L.E. Sissman; the bad name is apparently widely propagated as "Sisson" by WP; probably originates with using a bad proof, or mistranscription, by David Isaacson in a review of a book, whose index is on Amazon with only the correct spelling shown.
--Jerzy•t 05:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Should we just remove all "poets" with no articles? It seems to me that there are a good number of vanity additions. Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Standardization

Is there some way we can standardize the brief tags listed after each poet's name and dates? I've removed all the tags that just say "poet" because they seemed redundant given that the page is a list of poets. Others tags (for instance, the Margaret Atwood tag) have "poet and xxx," which makes more sense but still bothers me. And instead of tags like "Italian poet" for Dante, should we just write something like "Italian"? Or do we even have to list a nationality given that there are specfic lists for that? --Psp 22:40, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'd be happy for them to have no little tags at all. Except in the case of two poets with similar names. Then we could have dates to distinguish them. Monk Bretton 23:58, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cloning

A-D sections have been cloned. Avia 06:46, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

List of English language poets

I have just been reading the biography of Vikram Seth. Why is he not listed in the English language poets? 202.173.173.105 15:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Dead Link Red Tags

WayneRay 17:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)WayneRay I agree with the note above about the dead link red taggd names with no accompaning article. I dont know if the name should be deleted all together as with the Canadian lists I have been working on, I personally know some of the poets on the lists who have no attached articles. We should ass ume that they or someone such as my self, will be back to update with the article. As for here, I think ALL red dead link tags should be untagged and not deleted. Lists of poets and poetry organizatios I have been cleaning up are on my personal page.

Update

Dead Links have been removed, if you wrote this article please add full articles for each new link, don't just list names where no information exists and please put dates with the names. Thanks WayneRay 18:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

Lists of poets

There is a duplicate site called Lists of poets, if it is not different than this one then should it not be Merged or deleted , it contains the same links? WayneRay 15:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)WayneRay

Dead Link Cleanup Complete

Red and Dead link cleanup is complete. Articles should accompany the links from now on, also please put dates beside the names on this main page. WayneRay 16:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)WayneRay