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Like Grandmaster said why is there no mentioning about the Azeri refugees from Kaphan district of Armenia, who arrived to the town just before the riots? This should be added. And why arent the number of deaths no added here? 26 Armenians and 6 Azeris, this should also be added. [[User:Baku87|Baku87]] 15:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87 |
Like Grandmaster said why is there no mentioning about the Azeri refugees from Kaphan district of Armenia, who arrived to the town just before the riots? This should be added. And why arent the number of deaths no added here? 26 Armenians and 6 Azeris, this should also be added. [[User:Baku87|Baku87]] 15:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87 |
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: ''Forewarnings by Azeris sympathetic to their Armenian neighbors instructed them to leave their lights on that night; those who shut it off were assumed to be Armenian.'' |
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: I think for accusation like this you need a better and more neutral source than Samvel Shamuratian. [[User:Grandmaster|Grandmaster]] 17:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC) |
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A couple of comments. First of, not all the attackers were ethnic Azeris, at least one of them, Eduard Grigorian, was an ethnic Armenian. Further, it is important to note that Sumgait had a very high percentage of people with criminal past, in Soviet times people released from the penitentiary institutions were not allowed to settle in the capitals of the Soviet republics and they were usually settled in one of industrial suburbs, in case of Azerbaijan it was Sumgait. According to de Waal, every fifth Sumgait citizen had previous convictions.
Средний возраст горожан составлял двадцать пять лет, причем каждый пятый житель Сумгаита имел судимость. В период между 1981 и 1988 годами в Сумгаит вернулось более двух тысяч вышедших на свободу заключенных.
Also no mention of Azeri refugees from Kaphan district of Armenia, who arrived to the town just before the riots. This should be corrected. Grandmaster 19:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- All in good timing. This article is far from finished and far from perfect. How valid is the claim of the deaths of the two Azeris? I read that a Soviet military chief in the unit refute the claims which were presented originally by TASS. I'm not sure how well we can rely on the numbers provided by TASS and Pravda either since they had habit of being shoddy on details and concealing the damage done in humiliating cases; afterall we only found out about Chernobyl when we tuned into Turkish television. By the way the term is "in the Soviet 'era'" not times. --MarshallBagramyan 00:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- According to the rules, if you have an authoritative source to back up a certain statement, you include it to the article with reference to such a source. The death of two Azeris near Askeran is confirmed by a number of sources, I can provide you the links. Grandmaster 05:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- No, the deaths of those young men appear to be substanitated well enough in media sources. However, I was refering to the death count of the Armenian dead after the pogrom, according to Russian sources. I was explaining that since they always had a habit of either not reporting or under-reporting the news, the casualty account could also be grossly understated. I'll post more sources after this. --MarshallBagramyan 03:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Like Grandmaster said why is there no mentioning about the Azeri refugees from Kaphan district of Armenia, who arrived to the town just before the riots? This should be added. And why arent the number of deaths no added here? 26 Armenians and 6 Azeris, this should also be added. Baku87 15:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)Baku87
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- Forewarnings by Azeris sympathetic to their Armenian neighbors instructed them to leave their lights on that night; those who shut it off were assumed to be Armenian.
- I think for accusation like this you need a better and more neutral source than Samvel Shamuratian. Grandmaster 17:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)