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November 2009

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Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Crucifixion, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. —Farix (t | c) 20:00, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I got called out for removing anime references in the Crucifixion article that were straight up embarrassing to Wikipedia (not to mention embarrassing to both the article and anime fans). This is hilarious. I believe I did give an explanation when prompted after the auto-revert, and whoever was trying to keep that crap in there evidently lost that fight. Beansy (talk) 09:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

June 2010

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Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Admin Attention on MMA. Thank you. Mtking ^(edits) 11:26, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Links to WP name space

You asked about a more appropriate way to link to the internal WP page about notability, it would be better if you put them on the Talk page of each article, the See also sections normally only contain links to other articles. Mtking ^(edits) 00:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Since I'm guessing now that adding the links there was not correct form per wikipedia standards, I'll stop adding them. However I seriously doubt nearly as many people will see them on the talk pages though, particularly if they are unaware of the situation, and the whole idea was to get people who actually use the articles involved in the discussion. I suppose it would be nice if there was a better way to do that (without violating wiki standards, or hitting message boards and stirring up a hornets nest). Beansy (talk) 00:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

MMA collaboration going forward

Would you be willing to take a more active role in the ongoing mma collaboration moving forward? I think we're closer than most might expect. I'm trying to minimize my footprint for my own sanity if not everyone's interests. My "E-mail this user" link under toolbox also works. Thanks. Agent00f (talk) 23:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually typing a post in the big discussion right now, but a more active role is going to be difficult before May 15th when I am done with my grad school work for the semester. Beansy (talk) 23:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm mostly trying to gauge interest more so than immediate resources. It's very important going forward to have eloquent and reasoned voices. If you have the desire, this will make for at least a very interesting story to tell. No pressure though. Again, my email is always open. Agent00f (talk) 23:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

AfD's on Future UFC events

I Meant what I said on the WP:MMANOT talk page, if we can start making progress, I will certainly withdraw the AfD noms you mentioned. However, making eloquent and reasoned arguments that still amount to "All UFC EVENTS ARE INHERENTLY NOTABLE" is not progress. I know you have not stated anything contrary to that since we are trying to start anew, I was just conflicted when I arrived here to find Agent00f's message, I'd rather let you know my thoughts and express that, than say nothing though. After your last comments I believe you want to work out a consensus, I promise to before patient and wait for you to have time to comment. Also, I doubt the admins are going to close the AfDs while we are trying to hash this out. Newmanoconnor (talk) 02:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

That is fair but I still think that specifically targeting some of the largest events for AfD isn't doing any good. If posted a rebuttal of the AfD for UFC 144 since there was a non-routine mainstream source explaining the event's actual notability. I would feel better if you could withdraw that one in a sign of good faith. Beansy (talk) 06:46, 4 May 2012 (UTC) I see you already withdrew the AfD for that one and several others, thanks. I would like to move forward but this whole process is incredibly draining. Beansy (talk) 06:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

List of current UFC fighters

The wording of these two sections has been re-written to include retirement as a reason for inclusion on either lists. The point, of this article is to accurately reflect who is in the UFC at any given time. Retired fighters are almost never removed from the UFC's active rosters, because they are still technically under contract with the UFC. If Mirko Cro Cop wanted to come back to MMA he would have to fight in the UFC because he is still under contract with them. As this is the case, when a fighter retires they must be taken at their word, even if their retirement seems like a short lived publicity stunt. As they need to be taken at their word the best way to mark their retirement is to add them to the list of recent fighters cut with a little demarcation that says "retired". Once they return from retirement it then seems logical to add them to the recent signings, perhaps a new demarcation should be added that says "un-retired". For now I have merely modified both the descriptions of these lists to include fighters entering or returning from retirement. The whole point, for me, of constructing these lists was merely to make it easier for visitors to the article to immediately see who had been removed or recently made active to the UFC's rosters, this is especially helpful if some information is contestable, as it allows people to say things like, "Hey Spencer Fisher didn't actually retire he said he might, and then decided to leave it up to the UFC." And thus corrections can be made. I hope this makes more sense as to why BJ Penn would be included in "Recent Signings," while he may not have actually been signed, he has come back from being entirely out of MMA and the UFC to start competing for them again.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 15:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

You can respond here, I will check your talk page. I had not seen any news on Nick Diaz that said he was definitely coming back, if you want to post a source to that I'd love to check it out. I tend to see it as a fighter who says he is retired stays retired until he actually is scheduled for another fight. I realize that there may be some hypocrisy in this idea as I am taking them at their word when they say they are retired, but requiring a fight announcement to add them back on. I can't think of a better way to do this as retirement is an announced state, where as returning from one is an official state (i.e. a signed bout agreement), I'd like to have it be official both ways. All things said and done, I have tried to be incredibly consistent with this system however. I did not add BJ Penn when rumors surfaced that he might consider another UFC fight, or when Josh Koscheck tried to pick a fight (at the UFC's behest). I only added him when it was reported that he had a bout agreement with Rory McDonald. I think that makes sense. But I would love to hear other ideas about this because I understand that there is always room for improvement. Thanks for helping round out under-developed areas of this article, I hope you continue to help improve it.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I was mid-way through a multi-part edit when I saw you changed the section description and figured that was probably sufficient, so I put BJ Penn back in after deleting him again, and merely clarified the section criteria a bit. I was involved in that titanic battle with people trying to get all UFC event pages deleted, so I'm not really up for any more edit-fights right now anyway. I appreciate you coming here and responding here maturely. As for Diaz, it was reported all over the place about 2 months ago that Diaz intended to come back as it was stated very clearly in his lawsuit against the NSAC, but since his lawsuit was thrown out, and considering Nick Diaz's personality, and the fact that he hasn't made any media statements even through a manager, I think I'll wait until something more concrete happens with him after all. Beansy (talk) 22:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Re the Ulysses Gomez story, check the link I provided and Gomez's twitter, since the retraction he has signed to fight, and the new report is correct. Thaddeus Venture (talk) 01:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I literally just read that and saw that I had new messages when I was headed to change it back. Not the best timing on my part. Beansy (talk) 01:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

's alright, I totally get it.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 03:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• I consider Cung Le to be a borderline case in the guidelines of this article. Can you point to/make specific reference to Cung Le's desire for the UFC to list him as American rather than Vietnamese. I understand his general preferences/national allegiances, etc., and would not argue against having him listed as an American of South Vietnamese descent, on his personal wikipedia page. But for this article, the only way to easily source fighters in terms of nationalities is the flags that the UFC shows them with when they enter the ring. There are a large number of fighters who no longer live in the nations they were born in, and figuring out the status of their citizenship/nationality is incredibly difficult. If you can help accurately source Cung Le's desire, I have no problem changing it, but others might, and it seems like a very minor thing to start a major editing war over. If, on the other hand, you can think of another accurate way to source fighter nationality that would account for someone like Cung Le, I'd love to hear about it and see if it's viable. Thaddeus Venture (talk) 15:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

This then sounds like an argument to take to the UFC. This page is supposed to be a representation of fighters competing in the UFC, including the names they fight under, the flags they're represented with, the nicknames they use, and the records they hold. All are meant to be representational of their UFC careers. Your saying that he's shown preference for other nationalities and competed under different nationalities in different places still doesn't get to the root of this point. This is how the UFC has chosen to represent him. That may be a mistake, but it is their mistake not this articles mistake. For this article the UFC is a verifiable source even when its methods are questionable. There is a note at the start of every table in this page explaining exactly how and why the flags in that table are used. There are a large number of fighters in the UFC with somewhat similar circumstances (although not exactly the same) and creating an exception for Le, opens the door to creating exceptions for all of them,or having to argue through each case and why it is or isn't valid. Trust me, I don't like the way the UFC does this, but I can think of no better way to handle this information on such a large scale.

The next best other example I can think of is Hector Lombard. Everyone thinks of him as Cuban, he was born in Cuba, he grew up in Cuba, he competed in Judo for Cuba at the international level. Lombard then defected from Cuba during the Sydney Olympics and sought asylum in Australia. At that point he probably has no claim to Cuban citizenship whatsoever. He lived in Australia for years, and competed there, I have no idea if he is an Australian citizen. After years of living in Australia he moved to Florida, where he now lives and trains, I have no idea if he is an American citizen. At this point, the only real way to reference him is to say the UFC displays him as Cuban, so we do as well. That may be a mistake on the UFC's part, but that's their mistake, it is not incorrect for this article to then show that the UFC displays him as Cuban, nor is it incorrect for this article to show that the UFC displays Cung Le as Vietnamese. If Le really went out on the war path and said, I am incredibly angry with how the UFC is promoting me, and I am making it a point to never be associated with this symbol ever, then there would be a real discussion. From everything I've seen it sounds like he's said, "Look I talked to them about it, they said it is what it is." Does this make the UFC correct in it's actions? No probably not. But it does make this article correct in saying this is how the UFC has chosen to display Cung Le.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 15:47, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

• Thank you for your politeness in discussing this with me. This article has become very much a labor of love. I am glad to have it at a place in which most of it's conventions are stable. In the end I know that wikipedia is not the most "proper" place for it, but it is the best and most accessible place for information people generally want to know. Because of this there are still several issues that come up over and over that have to be discussed and explained. I'm glad that you have taken an interest in the maintenance of this page and I am always looking for ways to improve it, especially if they can eliminate conflicts. Thanks again for the consideration. Thaddeus Venture (talk) 20:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

2012 in UFC events

The deletion notice was on the 2012 in UFC events page for a week. By the time of the deletion discussion, the page has degenerated into a heap of links without any in-depth content. The general consensus was, that the content was not worth keeping anymore. Deryck C. 08:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• I didn't realize the individual pages for future announced UFC events had been returned. The deletion of the omnibus makes a lot more sense now, so my bad (hopefully the event pages that were deleted can get restored now...). Beansy (talk) 20:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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