Talk:Effects of climate change on humans

Not sure if this really needs its own page, as a lot of this information is covered on may of the other articles on climate change. I'll add some links to the other ones, and if someone with more experience wants to do some further merging/editing, feel free.

Add I PAT (human Population * Affluence * Technology = environmental Impact)?

Add I PAT ? ... (Human impact of climate change not the same) Human Impact = human Population * Affluence * Technology ... Planetary boundaries; Appropriate Technology or Holocene extinction also ? 99.181.151.5 (talk) 22:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

That's human impact ''on'' climate change, not human impact ''of'' climate change. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Or Impact of climate change on humans? That seems to be many loosely connected wp articles already. 99.119.128.35 (talk) 23:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

That's the stated purpose of this article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge with The Effect of Climate Change on Human Health – Malaria

The Effect of Climate Change on Human Health – Malaria is a short orphan just as Effects of climate change on humans is a short orphan. Because the latter is the broader topic, I recommend that the former be merged here. Neelix (talk) 20:42, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. 99.119.131.205 (talk) 02:31, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Appears to redirect here now currently. 99.181.151.111 (talk) 05:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

"Public goods" = public Good (economics), wikilink.

"Public goods" = public Good (economics), wikilink. 97.87.29.188 (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Wrong. It's public goods, if anything. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Ozone Depletion

I note that in the introduction the article mentions 'ozone depletion' as a product of climate change. This is not the case - this problem was unrelated. Should it be removed? JTansut (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Would that be instead a Human impact on the environment, as related to Planetary boundaries? 216.250.156.66 (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Regional effects of global warming = "every region of the world"

Regional effects of global warming = "every region of the world" 99.119.131.248 (talk) 01:13, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

??? If it's every region, then it's not "regional effects". — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Abundent Original Research

This article is full of original research and opinion. I have removed quite a bit, but don't have time to go through every singe source to make sure that they have been summarized accurately. Arzel (talk) 00:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, climate change in its generalest term means hot to cold and cold to hot. It seems the article focuses mainly on the current cycle. Anyways, --Threeafterthree (talk) 01:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

what is a "generalest "? 216.250.156.66 (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I meant most common form or generalist(sp)...--Threeafterthree (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Add current slow global warming (with explanation as to why slower currently), but mid-term acceleration in warming resources?

Saw this in Talk:Global_warming/Archive_64#Resource_via_Science_News

• http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/332612/title/Small_volcanoes_add_up_to_cooler_climate August 13th, 2011; Vol.180 #4 (p. 5) Science News ... here is part of it "Along with sulfur emitted by coal-burning power plants, volcanic particles spewed high in the atmosphere reduced the amount of global warming otherwise expected during the 2000s, a new study finds." reported online July 21 in Science.
  • S. Solomon et al. The persistently variable “background” stratospheric aerosol layer and global climate change. Science. Published online July 21, 2011. doi:10.1126/science.1206027.
  • R.K. Kaufmann et al. Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998-2008. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Published July 19, 2011. doi:10.1073/pnas.1102467108.

with "suggested reading" ...

• • N. Drake. Sulfur stalls surface temperature rise. Science News. Vol. 180, July 30, 2011, p. 17.
  • S. Perkins. Hazy changes on high. Science News Online. August 14, 2009.

216.250.156.66 (talk) 19:12, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Or what this be more appropriate in Effects of climate change/Effects of global warming? 216.250.156.66 (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Did you intend would this be Special:Contributions/216.250.156.66? 99.181.134.37 (talk) 10:44, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Recommend clarification of wording instead of lede deletion ...

The effects of climate change on humans have been understood to be responsible today, or predicted to be responsible in the future, for significant economic losses, as well as loss of life and wellbeing or health. In unstable or fragile regions or communities, the additional burden of climatic changes triggered by global warming may have further negative impacts in social, political or security terms.

99.190.85.146 (talk) 06:31, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Please propose a coherent sentence, first. I agree with Xbudox: it is better to have a marginal violation of WP:LEDE than to have incoherent remarks in the lede. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 11:24, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

El Niño-Southern Oscillation and Civil disorder resource

El Niños may inflame civil unrest; Climate pattern correlates with increased risk of conflict By Janet Raloff October 8th, 2011; Vol.180 #8 (p. 16) Science News, regarding Solomon Hsiang of Princeton University and his coauthors at Columbia University report in the Aug. 25 Nature (journal), with comments by statistician Andrew Solow of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts and Neil Johnson of the University of Miami and Yaneer Bar-Yam of the New England Complex Systems Institute in Cambridge, Mass; excerpt ...

About every seven years, climates in tropical regions swing between conditions dominated by an El Niño and those moderated by a La Niña (cooling in equatorial Pacific waters). During El Niño years, the likelihood that a new civil conflict would erupt in equatorial nations was roughly 6 percent, or twice that for La Niña periods.

99.109.127.58 (talk) 23:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

La Niña 99.190.87.183 (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Equitorial 99.119.131.17 (talk) 03:15, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

See El Niño-Southern Oscillation. 99.181.132.192 (talk) 19:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Here is a related book ... Tropic of Chaos: Climate Change and the New Geography of Violence by Christian Parenti ISBN-13: 978-1568586007 Publisher: Nation Books (June 28, 2011) "Parenti argues that this incipient "climate fascism"--a political hardening of wealthy states-- is bound to fail. The struggling states of the developing world cannot be allowed to collapse, as they will take other nations down as well. Instead, we must work to meet the challenge of climate-driven violence with a very different set of sustainable economic and development policies."[1] 99.190.87.173 (talk) 20:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Add wikilink to developing nations

Add wikilink to developing nations. 99.109.126.95 (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Done. DaffyBridge (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Why? How do we know that our concept of developing nations is the same as the one in the article? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:20, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Why not? 141.218.36.152 (talk) 21:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Seems to me that the WP article on developing countries should be presumed good. It is rated B-class and high importance; see Talk. A reader of this article can compare the usage in the reference and in that other WP article. This note is posted in response to a removal today that I observed of a link from developing countries. The edit summary justification was "per talk," which according the record above seems not to be a strong justification. A majority thinks this link is reasonable. Coastwise (talk) 08:23, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikilink Small Island Developing States

Wikilink Small Island Developing States. 99.35.14.165 (talk) 04:20, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I just made a fix which I hope is satisfactory to those involved in this back and forth. The following form for the link goes to the other page, whose name must be capitalized, but shows the text in lower case within this article: small island developing states. Problem solved? Coastwise (talk) 06:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Seems OK, except that the capitalization of the name of the article is also questionable. But that's a matter for that article, not this one. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

SciAm resource

From Talk:Vector (epidemiology), regarding the effects of global warming ...

Climate Change May Make Insect-Born Diseases Harder to Control "Warmer temperatures will combine with numerous other factors to make diseases like malaria and West Nile virus harder to control" by Umair Irfan and ClimateWire (www.eenews.net) November 21, 2011 Scientific American.

Also see from article; Regional effects of global warming, dengue fever, World Health Organization, mosquitoes, ecology, evolutionary biology, University of California, Santa Cruz, Science (journal), birds, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Academic Medical Center, Oxford University, Trends in Ecology and Evolution, Princeton University,

99.190.86.93 (talk) 06:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

potential resources

• The Crash Course: The Unsustainable Future Of Our Economy, Energy, And Environment by Christopher Martenson Publisher: Wiley; 1 edition (March 29, 2011) ISBN-13: 978-0470927649

• The Great Disruption: Why the Climate Crisis Will Bring On the End of Shopping and the Birth of a New World by Paul Gilding publisher Bloomsbury Press (March 29, 2011) ISBN-13: 978-1608192236

• Changing Planet, Changing Health: How the Climate Crisis Threatens Our Health and What We Can Do about It by authors Paul R. Epstein MD and Dan Ferber with forward by Jeffrey Sachs publisher University of California Press; 1 edition (April 4, 2011) ISBN-13: 978-0520269095

99.190.87.173 (talk) 21:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Why was this removed?

The University of Southampton in the UK ranked the top ten nations endangered to to flooding from global warming and climate change. First is the Marshall islands, second is Bahrain, third is the Maldives, followed by Kiribati, and fifth the Bahamas. Ranking reflects percent of population at risk, published in November 14 & 28, 2011 The New York Times Upfront. See also Regional effects of global warming.

141.218.35.38 (talk) 01:48, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

1. We don't have evidence, other than an adaptation of the president of Nauru's speech, that there is any such report. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
2. Even if there were a report, it wouldn't be relevant to this article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

welcome new editors.....and why I reverted to version 520672044

Welcome to all the wiki newcomers who have recently edited this article. I wish wiki existed when I was taking classes. Great project.

I reverted to the old version NOT because I think your ideas stink but because making partial edits and leaving stuff undone is fine among your study group but this is an online accessible world-wide encyclopedia. You can see which pages get the most traffic here. This is not one of them. Still the way to go about this is to create a draft page under one of your user pages or user talk pages. Although I reverted you can use the Version history page to retrieve your efforts so far and then copy that work onto your draft page where you decide to create it.

You can all work on the draft edits there without messing up the real mccoy here. Then when you are happy with a section you can post them in section by section. Of course you will have to watch for edits by 3rd parties in the meantime and maybe make some last minute changes to incorporate other peoples work when you are ready to go live with a paragraph or two.

Please do NOT fiddle faddle with section headings and then vanish. That is highly unprofessional. Although it is in dire need of updating and improvements it is still "live" and in a sense is a finsished product. So be careful please. And welcome to wiki! Do drafts on the side; merge in completed sections only when you would be happy to get your final grade on that part of the work.

Enjoy NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I've attempted to clean up some redundancy and format refs. Haven't messed with content ... some fixin' needed. Vsmith (talk) 19:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Um, didn't [2] duplicate the article? William M. Connolley (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it did. I undid that but there's still some other work to do... bobrayner (talk) 21:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Dupe

This article has huge overlap with Effects_of_global_warming#Social_systems. That section claims this as a "seemain" but it isn't really. This stuff should be in only one place William M. Connolley (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yep. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I was just heading over to your talk page to say "WTF is going on here?" So, how about starting off with the very basic: should this article exist at all? If the answer is Yes, "Should it exist in its present shape"? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

tags

Today I added several inline templates and some inline hidden comments mostly about POV and editorializing. I tagged the article even though I know some students are working on correcting the problems. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:32, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've addressed the tags of neurality and length. Please comment. Do I have more work to do on the introduction? Students are still uploading their parts of this article, so the subheadings are still unfinished.Penny Powers (talk) 22:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Students are still uploading their parts of this article - oh dear, that isn't encouraging. This isn't a playpen William M. Connolley (talk) 20:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Bob and I both advocated that students work in a sandbox somewhere and that parts ONLY get uploaded when really really rootin tootin ready. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Moved to a sandbox. Penny Powers (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)