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November 11

Watchlist

I see myself in my watchlist. Where is the setting where I do NOT see my own edits.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 00:50, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I fixed myself!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 00:54, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Complaint?

I would like to file a complaint about what i believe was corporate hunting while Checking my mail in Louvers Colorado. while filing information on Ownership rights with a feral judge state of Colorado, on a machine on the back of Coors beers bottle line Coors lite able. that has my name as original inventor.1975 and a award never paid by the United states navy on a stump mode on hot water heaters on board - U.S.S. Kinkaid DD-965,year 1981- and Patton challenge against Englert INC. 1997. filed in Patton office in my name.....seems when i checked the box someone put out a bola on my tags and i s arrested unlawfully in Douglass county Colo...That is unfair and i belie against my rights too Patton protection out of the U.S. Patton office Arlington Virginia...also the clerk of the court Colorado denied my appeal on this case...I Am Currently seeking legal to prosecute the offender.. case #2012-m-144 div a Douglas county court open. thanks Clay O Wort III. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.160.127 (talk) 02:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I fixed the formatting on your question and added a header to seperate it from the one above. I can't quite tell what your complaint is about, but Wikipedia is not the place for it. If you need legal help, contact a lawyer. RudolfRed (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

If you assume he means patent when he writes "patton", it becomes a little clearer. It seems to be something about a patent dispute in Colorado that the questioner has gone about in all the wrong ways - eventually resulting in his arrest. He should seek the advice of a lawyer who specializes in patent law rather than random strangers on the internet. I do however like the idea of a feral judge. Astronaut (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Userboxes

I have a question about userboxes. As shown on this user's page, the user as many userboxes about herself. I am wondering how I can have those userboxes on my user page. Please answer this question on my talk page. Thanks! CPGirlAJ (talk) 03:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Since the answer will benefit you and possibly others, I'll answer here. Those userboxes can be copied to your own userpage. Nobody really gets upset if you use userboxes that you find on their page. They probably copied them from someone else to begin with. Dismas|^(talk) 03:31, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

How about if I want to create my own userboxes? CPGirlAJ (talk) 03:34, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Then create them. Have you read Wikipedia:Userboxes which you linked in your original question? Is there something specific that you didn't understand from that page which we might be able to expand upon? I'm not really sure why you're asking if you've linked to the page where your questions, or what I presume you're asking, are answered. Dismas|^(talk) 03:38, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

User boxes don't have to be created as separate subpages. See User:John of Reading/Userboxes for examples of using the {{userbox}} template to create a collection of one-off user boxes. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Chess.com

Hi, user Hizzmatte is repeatedly adding incorrect material to the chess.com article, biased against chess.com. Can someone stop him please. Chessrat (talk) 04:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

He has been blocked for 31 hours, and I have reverted his latest edit to the page and sorry for the 3rr warning - I can't count today! Mdann52 (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Tecoma Victoria page

Hi, Wikipedia has a page called 'Tecoma Victoria'. Tecoma Iis currently at the centre of a local controversy regarding a McDonalds restaurant development. I have a large number of facts and references to add to the page but they are cleared by another user every time I add them and they then include an inaccurate and unreferenced statement supporting the development and referring to 'a small group of residents' (inaccurate representation of the truth) Every time we remove their statement they put it back. Is there any way this can be stopped? Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by MsCatherineMary (talk • contribs) 04:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

That information doesn't sound very noteworthy and probably shouldn't be included in the article. Also, the paragraph you're adding (for posterity) reads like an opinion, something obviously discouraged by Wikipedia. It also doesn't cite any sources. Scarce2 (talk) 04:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Some background: the article Tecoma, Victoria has been the battleground for an edit war between two Single-purpose accounts, MsCathMary who opposes the construction of a branch of McDonald's there, and Ron Mc who favours it. The latter has been permanently blocked, for advertising. Maproom (talk) 11:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

"Minor edit" checkbox is selected by default

I'm trying to help a newish editor who has all their edits marked as minor by default which is causing problems. I can't find anything in "My preferences" to turn it off, but I do have a vague memory of having seen such an option somewhere the details are lost in the mists of time! Roger (talk) 09:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I found the discussion Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 October 26#Minor edit check box is checked in the help desk archives. Hersfold mentions that one can go to this link and check whether minordefault="1" appears. At the linked help desk discussion PrimeHunter mentions that some scripts like AutoEd default to Minor edit. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 10:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Search function no longer works!

How do I use WP if the search function no longer works? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.108.207.83 (talk) 11:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

As far as Wikipedia itself is concerned, the search function still works. But from what I have read on this page, the search function and many other features of Wikipedia are not accessible using some recent version of Internet Explorer. Maproom (talk) 11:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can also use Google to search Wikipedia instead of Wikipedias built in search function. On the Google page, simply click "Options" (where the gear symbol appears). There should be a field called Website or domain, where you can enter http://en.wikipedia.org/. Then enter your search term and hit Search. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 11:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The Science of Reincarnation

The Science of Reincarnation is a book published by Bob Good that makes the case that in light of the discoveries of the last 50 years reincarnation now meets the criteria to be considered a science. It meets the definition of a science as developed by Thomas Kuhn in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions and it meets the standard scientific method for analysis. Studies and government links can be found at www.thescienceofreincarnation.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.121.50 (talk) 12:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

It is not entirely clear to me from your post what exactly the intention behind your post is.

Do you want to have an article about the book The Science of Reincarnation be created here at Wikipedia?

In that case, please start with Wikipedia:Article wizard which guides you through the basics of creating an article.

Do you want to have an article about the book included in Wikipedia but don't want to create it yourself?

Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested articles and then make a new request there.

Is it none of the two cases above?

Please have a look at Wikipedia:About and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not to see what the purpose of Wikipedia is.

Do you have any further questions or is something still unclear?

Please simply ask by clicking the Edit link for The Science of Reincarnation section here at this help desk and place your new question at the bottom of this section. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 12:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I think the OP is seeking to advertise some science fiction books. Maproom (talk) 13:25, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Article up for speedy deletion

ORANG PLANET this is my article..please halp me to do a correction..cause i receive a speedy deletion on my articleI.d saffiq idham (talk) 13:44, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Header added. Keeping the article depends on why it is being tagged in the first place. In this case, it does not meet our notability guidelines, so there's not much that can be done. - a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 14:20, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

What you can do to start is read WP:BAND and ask yourself honestly which if any of the criteria there qualify the band as notable. Most bands do not qualify under any of the criteria; if yours does not, sorry there is nothing you can do. If it does qualify, indicate clearly in the article which criteria, and provide citations to independent reliable sources that verify that it qualifies. —teb728 t c 01:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Second opinion needed before reverting 25+ recent edits!

• Related discussion

Now, in this article Shree Venkatesh Films I can see an IP editor has made some edits which got unnoticed. Totally unsourced, also inaccurate, misleading. I thought to revert to this version. But, later thought to get a second opinion here! Can anyone get a second opinion please? --Tito Dutta (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course, unsourced vague revertable material. I have reverted. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the work! But, they'll be back soon! For last few months this is happening in multiple articles! --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Communication

Hi. I have a quick question. If a user has poor English-language skills, what is the best possible way to communicate with them without getting them upset? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Poor English-language skills...as in, they have trouble understanding/comprehending what you say? Or just can't speak/type it proficiently? —Theopolisme 15:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Sometimes, they have trouble understanding what I say and sometimes they cannot speak/type it proficiently. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm: There are a number of ways of dealing with this...could you give me a link to the user in question? If they can't speak or type a level of English that could actually be useful to the encyclopedia as a whole, it might be in both our and their best interests to redirect them to another language-specific Wikipedia...I've done that a few times. But if they are useful — i.e., they create content/revert vandalism/what have you — then sometimes just trying your hardest and being semi-compassionate is the way to go. Another tip: Just asking them to rephrase something is a good method as well. —Theopolisme 15:40, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Wait, is this in regard to these/related incidents/discussions? —Theopolisme 15:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this is in regard to the incidents with the user 188.242.61.168 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I am usually semi-compassionate towards any user who can speak English that could be useful to the project and will try my hardest to help point out relevant information on the English Wikipedia as well if they are useful. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

If you can find out what their native language is we might be able to find someone who can communicate with them effectively. Roger (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The IP's language in question is Russian. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• First of all, I understand overwhelming majority (99%) of what you write. And I don't think that my english that bad as you think or trying to show here. Really, in the whole life, nobody was complaining that he don't understand what I mean. You are nearly the first. In the high-school it was "5", in university it was strong "4" appreciation. More than that I can easily read, understand and translate english. Well, sometimes (very rare) have some complexity. Well, just have not many practice. And english wp is good experience for me in that way too, you see? :) And what difference in question which language is my own native? I know several languages. Of course not that perfect as native. But why you just could not ask me, Sjones23? Strange. Well, so, you think I members of english wiki can't communicate with me effectively? Is that so? I can't believe it. I want to say that I don't need special attitude. Let's communicate how it is now. I think it's fine. You think different or something does not suit you? "Anonymous with IP" 01:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't think different, as I am a native English speaker. I apologize if I was misunderstood. Good communication with other users helps work out positive solutions here on the English Wikipedia. I was only concerned about your language skills, which is excellent by the way. I am not complaining that I do not understand what you mean, I am just trying to help you out in order to become a more experienced editor here at the English Wikipedia and learn all of the ropes here. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 01:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Search Box won't work.

All seems to work on main page EXCEPT the Search Box. I enter word and/or words to be searched > hit SEARCH Nothing happens........ HELP

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.185.176 (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

This seems to be a problem on Internet Explorer. Try another browser, like Firefox or Chrome. - a boat that can float! (watch me float!) 04:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I was looking at the list for the Silver Mother 's and

I found a mistake in it. As in 1980 my Great Aunt Greta Steeves from Elgin, New Brunswick is listed that she was from Elgin, Nova Scotia. I know they are not far from one another but it would be better if the right province was listed in the right place.

1980

Greta Steeves

Elgin, Nova Scotia

I am Judith V Steeves; Great Aunt Greta was my Grannie Violetta Steeves sister from my father Reginald Leon Steeves's side.

This must be about the article Silver Cross Mother. Maproom (talk) 17:06, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The Veterans' Affairs site referenced agrees with you, so I've changed the line. Thanks for letting us know. Rojomoke (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Settlement

Does anyone know why population_total fails to show up in the settlement infobox at Anthem, Arizona? Thanks! -Brycehughes (talk) 20:50, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Two lines later there was a second parameter named "population_total". If a template parameter is specified more than once, only the last instance has any effect. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:30, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again -Brycehughes (talk) 22:04, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

November 12

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like to correct Elvis Presly's pilot not Davis , email me please thankyou , — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotdiesel80 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Could you please indicate where we can read about this correction you wish to make, that is, if anyone wanted to check the correct information, where could we read it? --Jayron32 01:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

NNDB appropriate as ref?

I know that there are some sites which simply aren't appropriate as references, where would I find whether NNDB is considered one of them? I tried looking up nndb in the wikipedia namespace, and most of the links I see are for negative things, but I can't find anything specific...Naraht (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

General consensus is no, (see this discussion, more here). Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard is probably a better place to ask about sources. Scarce2 (talk) 04:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

See this link [1]. Not even remotely a reliable source... AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I've got some work to do on Secret Service codename it seems. I consider this question answered, I just don't remember what the template is to add to the question to indicated it is completed.Naraht (talk) 11:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Category:Adultery in fiction: new subcategories

Hi, I just wonder, can the administrators help recategorizxe all the pages within this Category:Adultery in fiction to these subcategories, Category:Adultery in films and Category:Adultery in novels? I'm kinda busy lately, so I can't finish it myself. Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

You don't have to be an admin to re-categorize articles. I've done about 60 of them in the last half hour using HotCat. You can too. Dismas|^(talk) 03:31, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hosptial Police

Please add the Metrohealth Police Department to the police department agencies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.240.130.50 (talk) 03:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure which article you want it adding to, but at present Metrohealth Police Department does not have an article, and so should not appear in any list articles (and cannot appear in any categories. If you think that it should have an article of its own, please look at WP:Your First Article, or make a case at articles for creation; but be aware that any topic must meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for inclusion. --ColinFine (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Collapsible box template woes

Hi all, I'm trying to add two collapsible templates to Charmbracelet in order to hide two lengthy sections which are simply lists of information. I've tried adding | collapsed = yes and {{Collapse top|''Charmbracelet''}} / {{collapse bottom}} to the track listing, and {{divhide|Title}} diff 1 diff 2 in the 'Credits and personnel' section. These work fine in page preview mode, but when I save the changes the text I want to hide isn't hidden, and no 'hide' box appears. What am I doing incorrectly? I'm editing with SeaMonkey 1.1.18, which normally plays nicely with WP. I've also checked in IE6 and Firefox 2.0 (which also normally plays nice with WP) on WinXP Pro SP2 (and please don't say 'update your browsers' - there's a reason I use older versions!) It's getting annoying - is the template working for you? Thanks, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it appears to be working fine for me (Ubuntu, Chrome). You should however leave at least one track listing displayed by default because going to that section, one would expect to see a track listing. Making track listings hidden does not cut down on load time, it actually adds to it because it's just more JavaScript that needs to be run. If you're worried about length, the first track listing is a very acceptable length to be shown by default. Scarce2 (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - I'll leave the main tracks showing then. I placed the article on my user page, where the two existing collapsible boxes were working fine, and pasting in Charmbracelet upset something; either some coding in the article or the sheer size of it is doing something. It's the same with Firefox on WinME. Thank you for checking the article, and for your feedback. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Ireland

Ireland (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

In the first of the article it says that Ireland is "east of the larger island of England". Someone needs to change that to west. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.192.220 (talk) 04:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope, what it says is "To its east is the larger island of Great Britain, from which it is separated by the Irish Sea". Geographically correct - and note that England isn't an island. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Please vote. Anagrams inclusion/non inclusion when it comes to non-straight text

Reaching a process of consensus is not a straight-forward thing. If a negative proposal it put forward then a number of people test its validity from a variety of positive standpoints. If a positive proposal it put forward then people test its validity from a variety of negative standpoints. It actually makes no difference if lots of people are saying no or yes - as in either case initial validity testing doesn't not reflect a consensus. If it did then WP could be very easily manipulated, although there does seem to be a Wiki The Shadow effect happening when editors assume they have the power to read (or cloud?) people's minds, or express impatience with a relatively simple and logical process. Some editors even seem semi-abusive about it, sadly.

Background - This discussion started on the help desk 8th November. The anagram is a cogent one that has intrinsic verifiability (just as a math statement is). The book is a spiritual puzzle book packed with this sort of stuff. Do I need to cite a reference showing this exact anagram, or is it enough to already have established notability on the point that the book "is scattered through with riddles", as one author put it? Please read the points for and against inclusion on the archived page before you vote. If you have any extra points to add on the matter that have not already been discussed then please make them on the archived thread and keep this section for plain voting.

Please vote a simple:

Yes - to favour its inclusion on the Book's Wiki Page. No - if you don't favour it inclusion on the Books Wiki Page.

And thank you all for your participation in a time honoured process of reaching consensus in the most thorough way possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dara Allarah (talk • contribs) 07:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2012 November 8#Please clarify that anagrams are not regarded as original research?

On looking through that discussion, I think that the consensus is already clear. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

You may find WP:!VOTE and WP:CAN helpful. The discussion in question is not a straw poll, and canvassing in this way is unlikely to alter the advice you have already been given. - Karenjc 09:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Napkin PC

Hi.

I've spent quite a bit of time making an article about a concept, the Napkin PC.

It has a bunch of references, and I need an experienced editor to review it and add any appropriate templates.

Thanks, Mackatacka12345 (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I am doubtful about the value of an article about a product which has never been manufactured, and probably never will be. But I'll leave that to others to consider.

You say "I've spent quite a bit of time making an article", so I wonder if you are the same person as Macka77, who created the article. If you are, you should read Wikipedia:Username_policy#Using_multiple_accounts. Maproom (talk) 19:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Nikola Tesla - Nicolae Tesla

Buna ziua,

Va rog sa luati in calcul si originile romanesti ale lui Nicolae Tesla (prezentat doar sub numele de Nikola Tesla, pe Wikipedia). Mai jos, va ofer un articol informativ, preluat de pe site-ul Antenei 3. http://www.antena3.ro/romania/ei-sunt-romania/romanul-care-a-stabili-primul-contact-cu-extraterestrii-si-a-inventat-sistemul-de-comunicatie-wireless-191682.html

Va multumesc,

Madi Dragan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.127.113.150 (talk) 11:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Google Translate translates this as

Hello,

Please take into consideration the Romanian roots of Nicholas Tesla (presented only as of Nikola Tesla, Wikipedia). Below, we offer an informative article, taken from the website of Antena 3.

Thank you,

Maproom (talk) 12:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia's article Nikola Tesla states that he was "Serbian-American", and cites three sources which all agree that he was born in Croatia to Serbian parents. The source cited by Madi Dragan claims that his father was Romanian, and was originally named Draghici. Maproom (talk) 12:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The Romanian Wikipedia article on Tesla states "Tesla era etnic sârb", that is, "Tesla was an ethnic Serb". Maproom (talk) 13:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Search and replace function in edit window

Resolved

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Search and replace function in edit window

 – -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 07:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I am pretty sure in edit mode there used to be a function called something like Search and replace where you could search for a specific string of characters and replace them with something else. Where exactly in the edit window is this again, somehow I can't find it anymore. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 14:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually I could swear it was located in the top right corner of the edit window. However it's gone now, at least for me, I have no idea why though.... -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 07:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

First article

Hi,

I'm writting my first article about PSA oxygen generators (Psa oxygen generator). Can I use foreign (French speaking) sources for referencing? What do you mean about my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rifair (talk • contribs) 14:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

English sources are preferred but non-English sources are perfectly acceptable. Judging from your user name, you appear to be connected with a manufacturer of such generators (http://www.rifair.com/) and therefore you have a conflict of interest. Please read WP:BFAQ and WP:BESTCOI.--ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The article is basically the same as Oxygen concentrator - it describes the same technolgy, the only real difference is that Oxygen concentrator is illustrated with small portable medical units rather than the large industrial sized machines in PSA oxygen generator. Small units are also used on aircraft to provide supplemental oxygen to the crew. It should be merged as a content fork. In addition the article Pressure swing adsorption also has a significant overlap. Roger (talk) 13:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Navigation problems

I am able to access the home page and any topical item on the home page, but if I try to access any other item, nothing happens ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.231.217 (talk) 14:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Since nobody else has reported this problem, as far as I know, the issue must be on your system. Have you tried with a different web browser (eg Firefox or Google Chrome)? --ColinFine (talk) 12:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Search Box

The search box used to provide suggestions below itself as I typed along. No more. After typing in something I could either click on the little spyglass or hit 'enter' and be taken to an article. No more. What has happened with the revered search box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.48.169 (talk) 15:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

What browser do you use? I logged out and tested in Safari, Firefox and Internet Explorer 8 and the suggestions work, so at least in those browsers I cannot reproduce what you describe, so it's difficult to give more advice. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 16:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Article merger

Yesterday I noticed that it's been proposed since July 2012 that these two articles be merged, Thomas Wharton (died 1572) and Thomas Wharton, 2nd Baron Wharton.

There's a History of Parliament biography of Thomas Wharton at [2], and it appears from it that the two Wikipedia articles relate to the same person, and that he's sufficiently notable to warrant a Wikipedia article.

My question is: What happens next? It seems the merger should go ahead, but who would or should do it? NinaGreen (talk) 16:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, you could be bold and do it yourself. I suspect "Thomas Wharton, 2nd Baron Wharton" is the better title, so move useful content from the other article, including the references, interwiki links, and so on. Then sort it all out in one article. Finally you can redirect the now "dead" article to the merged one. Astronaut (talk) 18:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wanted to be certain that I wasn't stepping on the toes of the person who originally suggested that the pages be merged. I agree that "Thomas Wharton, 2nd Baron Wharton" is the better title, and I've merged the content and references from the other article into it.

But now I have three additional questions. (1) I'm uncertain what interwiki links are, and don't know whether I might have missed those. (2) I don't know whether I'm supposed to delete all the content in the about to be "dead" article, or whether I can just leave it there. (3) I don't know how to redirect the about to be "dead" article.

After I've gone through this procedure once, I'll be able to "be bold" the next time I run across something like this.:-) NinaGreen (talk) 19:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

(1) An interwiki link is a link to an article on the same subject in another language wiki. There are none in either article.
(2) / (3) You should remove the entire content of the 'dead' article, and replace it with #REDIRECT\[\[Thomas Wharton, 2nd Baron Wharton\]\] (without the backslashes. I'm blanking on how to represent wiki markup). Rojomoke (talk) 19:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

<nowiki> </nowiki> —Tamfang (talk) 09:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! It worked perfectly. NinaGreen (talk) 20:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sir Peter Hayman

Sir Peter Hayman (MI6 and "diplomat") has no entry, although he is mentioned extensively in your entry on Paedophile Information Exchange, Section 3, and backed up by several "notes & references". Neither is there a cross-reference to this article in your search tool. The least you could do is cross-refer people looking up "Sir Peter Hayman" to the "Paedophile Information Exchange", page, Section 3. Apologies - I am sure there is a way I could have done this myself, but I couldn't work out how, unless...you have made it difficult because Wikipedia been "got at" by MI6 and/or Messrs Carter-Ruck or other expensive lawyers to the rich or powerful? Would be VERY interested to know whether there ever was a page on him, or other more interesting references to him, and when, and by whom they may have been expunged. (Hayman was acknowleged to have worked under the pseudonym "Mr Henderson".) Many thanks, GB— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabad (talk • contribs)

I created a redirect. Ruslik_Zero 19:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

JOHANN HARI

Johann Hari (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

JOHANN HARI: You have a page devoted to this writer/journalist - I suggest you change this to writer/journalist/PLAGIARIST. In this page, a large proportion - at least 4 sections, including WIKIPEDIA EDITING, deals with his (or her!) dirty tricks including one line at the end of WIKIPEDIA EDITING, which reveals that he also uses the name David Rose (not the composer). You should have a reference to this Johann Hari page in the Disambiguation list for other people named David Rose, and a redirect to the Johann Hari page. I strongly suggest you also tell people using that page that Hari also writes under the name "David Rose" - I have attempted to amend myself the profile box containing his picture, but I don't know if I have done so successfully. It seems likely that "Hari" may somehow thwart attempts to amend his own versions of the truth. Thank you for your patience. GB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabad (talk • contribs) 17:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The David Rose pseudonym is mentioned in the Johann Hari article (or at least it is currently). The article's talk pages has some lengthy discussion on the article contents. I suggest you make further editing suggestions there, including perhaps a proposal to link back to Hari's article from David Rose (disambiguation). Astronaut (talk) 18:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this must be the talk page of the Johann Hari article. Maproom (talk) 18:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there another way to retrieve a cached copy of a dead link?

Is there some service apart from the Wayback Machine where I could reasonably expect to find a cached copy of a dead citation link? I don't expect WebCite to have a cached copy (I was unable to check because the site is currently unreachable). If not, should I remove the link or should I leave it simply as is? The link in question is cite#11 in "Happy" in Galoshes. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 17:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD

I can't get the User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD script to work, can't find it on AFD pages I suppose. Where is it? Thanks, TBrandley 17:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD#Installation suggests to bypass your browser cache. Does that help? -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I did that already. I can't see it anywhere, where it is located. Where is it? Thanks, TBrandley 18:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Its working now. Thanks anyway, TBrandley 18:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Good to hear :) I can't get it to work (maybe because I am using Safari, maybe because I am using Vector Skin, don't know), but I don't care about it as I don't want to use it. =P -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 18:15, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Lamppost-singapore.jpg

A street lamp in Singapore showing the characteristic spangle

I added the following image to Hot-dip galvanizing but the image doesn't show up even though the image is on both Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. [3] gave this error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/eventlet/wsgi.py", line 382, in handle_one_response
    result = self.application(self.environ, start_response)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wmf/rewrite.py", line 368, in __call__
    resp = self.handle404(reqorig, url, container, obj)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/wmf/rewrite.py", line 197, in handle404
    upcopy = opener.open(encodedurl)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 400, in open
    response = self._open(req, data)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 418, in _open
    '_open', req)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 378, in _call_chain
    result = func(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1207, in http_open
    return self.do_open(httplib.HTTPConnection, req)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1177, in do_open
    raise URLError(err)
URLError: <urlopen error [Errno 111] ECONNREFUSED>

though [4] works. What's wrong? cmɢʟee☎✉ 19:11, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I see your picture in the article. And I see the same thing at [5]] and at [6]. Maproom (talk) 19:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

And I observe that the details of the "spangle" are obscured by JPeG-compression artefacts. I wonder if you could upload the picture at a lower compression ratio? Maproom (talk) 19:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, it seems to be fixed now. I didn't upload the photo, so don't have a higher-quality version, but it's the only lamp post showing the spangle at all. cmɢʟee☎✉ 20:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Bullets in image summary

Any idea why the first asterisk under "other information" in the image summary is not converted to a bullet point? See File:Sir_Alan_Stewart,_1982.jpg. This is blowing my mind... thanks! -Brycehughes (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed it, using a method I've seen used elsewhere, but I will have to look in the archives somewhere to find an explanation of why it works. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The parameter uses the #if parser function and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23if says that a test string is always interpreted as pure text. My guess is that when one places an asterisk inside page markup, the MediaWiki software automatically converts it to a bullet point and that behavior seems to be disabled for characters used as arguments for the template parameters. -- Toshio Yamaguchi (tlk−ctb) 19:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks all! -Brycehughes (talk) 01:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

WP guidelines on linking people to their social online presence.

Hi, the article about the Linux OS SolusOS mentions the developer Ikey Doherty. This person is active on the social platform Google+. Is it acceptable to link his name to his G+ public profile or is this discouraged? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Certainly not; if this person is not notable enough for there to be a Wikipedia article about him or her, we definitely won't include links to MySpace pages and the like: see our guidance on external links. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Great, that takes care of it then. Thank you Orange Mike! Regards. Gaba p (talk) 20:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Copyright - Maps, Real Estate Photos

My article is Elsie Paroubek. I have always wanted to put a map on the page showing her neighborhood. I assume that I can't use an image of a Google map for this purpose. I also found a picture of her house, which still exists and is for sale, on Trulia. What should I do?

Also, Google insists on showing the picture of Lillian Wulff instead of Elsie when you do a google search on Elsie. I have reported it several times. ??? --Bluejay Young (talk) 20:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Google maps are copyrighted so we cannot use them on Wikipedia. We can't use the Trulia image either as that site's content is also copyrighted (see the notice at the bottom: "Copyright © 2012 Trulia, Inc. All rights reserved."). As regards the misidentification of the image, that's a matter for Google and if they are not taking any notice of your reports, there is not much we or you can do about that, I am afraid.--ukexpat (talk) 21:17, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

A Google image search works by finding images that are linked online to your search text. Lillian's picture comes up when you search on the words "Elsie Paroubek" because the picture has been placed in the Elsie article - it's not a bug, and the search is not saying that the picture is Elsie. For another example, see this Google image search for "Albert Fish". The first result is an image of Grace Budd, his victim, because it appears in our article Albert Fish. - Karenjc 09:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Medal table

How do I create a medal table for an athlete on an existing page? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.5.181 (talk) 22:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Medal tables are made with templates and can be tricky for new users. See Template:Medal templates documentation. You can also look for an article with similar medals, click the "Edit" tab, and copy the medal table code to get started. If you still have problems then give specifics about which medals you want to display on which page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Missing editing tools

Since I uploaded IE 9 I lost a set of editing tools that look like

.

• How do I get this set of tools that is on top of Google?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Those are IE menus and not editing tools. They are unrelated to Wikipedia. Press Alt to see them. Right click at the top and select "Menu bar" or something like that to see them permanently. If you have software problems unrelated to Wikipedia then you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

November 13

Karina Smiroff Bio

I saw Karina Smiroff on the program called "Celebrity Ghost Story" where she talked about the passing of her maternal Grandmother. On the show she mentioned that her father was greek and her mother was russian. I wanted to find out why she had a russian name instead of a greek last name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.184.46 (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, I believe you mean Karina Smirnoff. I see no reference about the father being Greek however presuming your recollection is correct and noticing that Karina was born in Soviet Ukraine in 1978 it is not unheard of different nationalities or ethnic groups changing their name to better assimilate into society (see Rodney Dangerfield or Doris Day) and at the height of the cold war being an immigrant from a NATO nation such a Greece would put a person at a major disadvantage. There are also possibilities that much like Mitt Romney's grandfather was from Mexico but not Mexican but an American immigrant to Mexico that eventually came back to his homeland. Just as there was lots of confusion with some American voters thinking Mitt was part or wholly Mexican because of his Grandfather having lived there for some time (and technically being Mexican yet culturally being completely American) similar things I would guess happen regularly with the geographically close nations of Ukraine and Greece. A reference about Karina would tell for certain. Marketdiamond (talk) 10:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Image history and fair use

I accidentally uploaded a Fair Use image that was larger than 400x400. I uploaded a new version, but the larger version is still available in the history, and I worry this is a copyright violation. Is this a problem, and if so, what is the best way to resolve this? See File:Sir Alan Stewart, 1982.jpg Thanks and sorry. -Brycehughes (talk) 03:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like an admin deleted the old image pages. Problem solved. -Brycehughes (talk) 06:41, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Recovering failed page previews

Would it be possible to recover failed page previews, to go through the logs? For the past hour or two, I was improving the "diseases and pests" section of Blackberry when I finished and clicked "preview" when I received an error message indicating the connection hadn't gone through. I verified if my Internet cable was connected and retyped en.wikipedia.org with no avail. I searched another website and that came successfully so it may have been a split second Internet failure. I was able to recover some of my work by recalling the Google Books links I visited for information but I would really hate to start from scratch the entire rewrite I spent time and thought with. Thanks! I'm only asking this because this is the first time this has happened and the first case I'm aware of something like this. SwisterTwister talk 06:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

When this happens to me, I usually find that my browser's "back" button gets me to a page with my work on it, so I can copy it into the cut-and-paste buffer and try again. Maproom (talk) 07:52, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Failed page previews are not recoverable from Wikipedia servers, unfortunately - as far as I'm aware, the previewing is done at the user's end, not Wikipedia's. If you spend a very long time (an hour or two will do it) in edit mode, repeatedly previewing without saving, you may well find the save fails when you eventually try it, because connections do time out. The back button may help as Maproom suggests, but I also find it a good idea to copy to the clipboard before pressing save, just in case. - Karenjc 10:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Even better, compose your edit in an external editor, then if it gets lost while trying to save the edit, you still have it.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:06, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I tried clicking "back" but it didn't work, probably because of my Internet failure at the moment. After some thinking, I believe I can rewrite the content again because it was only one section. Thanks for taking the time to comment! SwisterTwister talk 20:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Need help inserting references..Urgent please..

Hello,

These are references

{http://olegoethe.com/ "Officila website Olegoethe"}

{https://twitter.com/olegoetheShare} "Twitter account"

{http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ole-Goethe-Ass-Professor-Researcher/198459990193110 "Facebook profile"}

{http://www.linkedin.com/in/olegoethe "LinkedIn profile"}

www.quora.com/Ole-Goethe-1 "Quora profile"

Can you add these references in this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Olegoethe.com_(Biography) so, it will be added it in Wikipedia. I am not a expert for writing articles of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olegoethe (talk • contribs) 06:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for alerting us to this, before other editors jump in here you can always be WP:BOLD and add them to the article yourself (just scroll to the bottom and type in double "=" with "References" in the middle such as this: ==References==. There are a lot of benefits to you as an editor not only contributing them yourself but increasing your edit count and to the view of certain segments your standing in the community! Thanks for visiting Wikipedia!Marketdiamond (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Also did notice that you are using { and } for the references, what you want to use is [ and ] usually found on the same computer key without pressing [shift]. It would result in something like this when you make sure to include the http:// in the links: Pittsburgh News from this type: [http://www.postgazette.com Pittsburgh News] Hope that helps! Marketdiamond (talk) 09:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

There are many problems with this request:

1. It is not "urgent". Wikipedia has existed for many years without this article.
2. The article is about the web site of Ole Goethe, who appears not to be notable. Maybe a case can be made that Ole Goethe is notable, and deserves an article about him on Wikipedia; but while no such article exists, his web site certainly does not warrant an article.
3. It is written like an advertisement, with sentences like "Let’s explore some more about this great person." This is not acceptable in a Wikipedia article.
4. Your user name Olegoethe suggests that you are associated with the subject of the article. Please read Conflict of interest.
5. Wikipedia requires third-party references. A subject's own web site, Twitter account, Facebook page, LinkedIn profile, and Quora profile do not qualify as Independent sources.

Maproom (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

6. A subject's own website may be an acceptable external link, but Twitter, Facebook etc are generally not. --ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

please correct the name of nazir hussain actor

dear sir Please corect the name of nazir hussain. He was doing more than 400 movie as central charecter artist.he was the pitamah of bhojpuri cinema.ram aur shyam, amar akbar anthony,bhoot bungla,devdas,shagird, balam pardesia,ankhe,tammana,anokhy ada,bairag,geet,bahurani,badi beti and many more films etc.he was born in u.p district ghazipur village usia pin code 23233 He was set up kamsar film production house.he was doing film with dilip kumar,guru dutt,amitabh,rajendar kumar,joy mukharjy,dhamedra etc.so plz make difference between nazir hussain and nasir hossain. Thank u sir — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.67.26.80 (talk) 08:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I think the article in question is Nasir Hussain. His IMDb entry uses this spelling of his name, but also notes alternative spellings Nasir Husain and Nazir Hussain. Maybe the alternative spellings should be set up as redirects ? Gandalf61 (talk) 08:57, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I have created redirects under both those heads to the article about the director Nasir Hussain because they do appear to be official alternative spellings for this individual. However, I think the OP is actually requesting an article about this character actor, a different person from the above who does not currently appear to have a Wikipedia article. Nazir Hussain had been previously deleted twice as non-notable; I can't see the deleted text but I suspect both versions may have been articles about the actor, but lacking sufficient references or notability claims. Looking briefly at his career, it does seem as though he might qualify for an article. OP: you can make an article about him yourself using the article wizard, or gather together some reliable sources and request an article at WP:AFC, at which point disambiguation can be used to sort out the right titles and redirects. - Karenjc 09:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

username contains someone else's personal information without their permission

{{db-u1}} rationale=username contains someone else's personal information without their permission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.69.59 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

You'll have to tell us more than that if you want help - such as the username in question... Bencherlite^Talk 09:18, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

If the username really reveals someone else's personal information without their permission then it shouldn't be posted here on a high profile page. See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight for non-public options. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Education in Aden before 1967.

I would like to find about Indian Schools in Crater Aden-and photographs, if available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.88.143 (talk) 09:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. RJFJR (talk) 15:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Travel-related information in wikipedia articles

Hello everyone. While recently editing the Wikipedia page on some Indian villages and towns of my locality, I came across some other articles on google on the same places from Wikitravel. Since Wikipedia articles are encyclopedic in nature, will it be right to include some information on local staying facilities, like temporary halts and hotel facilities in and around a particular region? Or will it be better to include the information in their Wikitravel articles instead?

Thanks for any suggestion. Anirban Chatterjee (talk) 10:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

It will be better to add this on Wikitravel — otherwise it may mean that the neutral point of view is affected, and may add undue weight to areas. Mdann52 (talk) 11:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. Thanks for the quick help, Mdann52. :) Anirban Chatterjee (talk) 11:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikitravel is unrelated to Wikipedia. I suggest Wikivoyage which became a Wikimedia project this month. Many of the Wikitravel editors were unhappy with the technical support and amount of paid advertising at Wikitravel. They wanted to move to a Wikimedia project instead. The Wikimedia Foundation decided to open a wiki about travel. A poll chose the name of the existing Wikivoyage which was also started by unhappy Wikitravel editors and also wanted to become a Wikimedia project. Wikitravel has sued two of their own volunteer editors for discussing the possible move to a Wikimedia project with other Wikitravel editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

About my work regarding treatment of cancer with citric acid.

Wikipedia,

Dear friends,

I found that you published about glutaminolysis:

Glutaminolysis

And it was very surprising to me because you never wanted to publish my work regarding treatment of cancer with citric acid, you can find it in twitter: @Cancercuretop.

I will send to you some emails that I sent to you a long time ago from my account: <redacted>

Dr. Alberto Halabe Bucay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.235.138 (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address. Mdann52 (talk) 11:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

You misunderstand how Wikipedia works. It does not accept contributions by email, and it does not have an editorial committee who decide what to publish. All content is inserted by volunteer editors - anybody who wishes to contribute - and what is accepted is determined by consensus among interested editors, according to the fundamental policies of Wikipedia.

If you have information to add to a Wikipedia article, or wish to create an article, and the information is supported by references to independent reliable sources, you are welcome to edit the articles. But original research is not acceptable, and all content must be presented in a neutral tone. --ColinFine (talk) 13:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

wikipedia rrs

Hi guys please help me. I have web site and I want create wikipedia rss link for my site. What can I doing? This free online service converts any web page to an RSS feed on the fly. www.feed43.com

please answer on <redacted>

Best Regards

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email this address.

What page are you trying to do this to? Are you trying to get something like Special:RecentChanges? Mdann52 (talk) 13:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Nerissa Jane Irene Bowes Lyon

The reports about ,Nerissa Bowes Lyon' having died on 22nd January 1986 as a patient of the Royal Earlswood Home for mentally handicaped came up by the Murdoch-press in 1987 in order to blame the Queen-Mum who was the suspected wire-drawer behind the marriage-problems between Prince Charles and Princess Diana. This story is a total fake! The proof: - National Statistics confirmed in a letter that is not Nerissa, but Kerissa who had died that date. - The prename Kerissa is also mentioned in the General Registre of births and deaths - The date of birth in the death-certificate doesn't match that one of Kerissa - The death was announced to the public registration by a person who was legally entitled to do so - Under the certificate you can read: "WARNING. A CERTIFICATE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF IDENTITY"

Please don't declare a forgery to be the truth and convince yourself!

Dieter Stanzeleit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.177.35.254 (talk) 14:35, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

If you have information to add to a Wikipedia article, or wish to create an article, and the information is supported by references to independent reliable sources, you are welcome to edit the articles. But original research is not acceptable, and all content must be presented in a neutral tone, and be fully sourced. It must also be comprehensible: I am a Yank, and frankly I am unable to decipher what on earth you are on about. -- --Orange Mike | Talk 14:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Are you referring to John Herbert Bowes-Lyon#Nerissa and Katherine Bowes-Lyon?--ukexpat (talk) 14:46, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Contacting another user

Hello Pardon my confusion here. Perhaps you could have user "Takeaway" contact me regarding the following:

Hello, I'm Takeaway. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to 2010 Thai political protests seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. - Takeaway (talk) 08:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

As per his/her suggestion, he pointed me to discuss it with him on his/her 'talk page'. Unfortunately, I have been uanable to acess his talk page in a manner that I could communicate with him.

Could you adise how to do this.

What "takeaway' sees as non-nuetrality is decidedly not the case, which I would like to discuss with him/her, and to restore the edits I made. I am simply replacing that written by the Thai domestic media which is propagandistic in its' intent.

Plus, how does one place those jiggly lines at the end of a Post?

Sincerely

Username - Ferwert — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferwert (talk • contribs) 16:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Heading added You have left a message at their talk page (User talk:Takeaway), albeit in the wrong place on the page - we usually add new messages at the bottom of talk pages. You will have to be patient and wait for a response.--ukexpat (talk) 16:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

To answer your final question: the wiggly lines ~~~~ are called tildes. Some keyboards have keys which generate them. If yours doesn't, but you are using Windows, you should be able to get one by holding down "Alt" while typing 1 2 6 on the numeric keypad. Otherwise you can just copy this one ~ . Maproom (talk) 17:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, There should be "Sign your posts on talk pages: ~~~~" on the Edit box toolbar, near the bottom. Pressing the tildes will insert them. ~E74.60.29.141 (talk) 23:44, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

And to answer the middle point: Wikipedia works on verifiability not truth, for the reasons explained on the page I just linked to. The article 2010 Thai political protests appears on the face of it to be well-referenced (though I haven't looked in detail). What you are saying is that the sources it references are not reliable or not independent: this may well be true, but unless you can reference other reliable sources which give a different version, or which directly challenge the sources used, you may not say so in Wikipedia. In any case, having a discussion with Takeaway on his talk page, or on Talk:2010 Thai political protests is the right way to resolve your disagreement. --ColinFine (talk) 23:31, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Editing pages from a specific IP address

I'm a college student who wants to edit Wikipedia pages about the university that I attend. However, I've heard that others who have tried to do the same thing have been blocked from editing pages about our college because we use the college wireless internet network and have the same IP address as the college. Is this true? As long as I have verifiable sources, I want to make the Wikipedia pages better. Pandabearm (talk) 17:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The reason why college/school IP addresses get blocked is because they cause a lot of vandalism, which unfortunately prevents innocent users from editing. To avoid the block (I'm not trying to give any ideas here ), I recommend that you always edit with your account that you just created. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 17:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

However, you do need to be careful about editing a page about the college you attend, because it may be difficult for you to write about it in a neutral manner: read WP:COI before you do so. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk

Is there a talk page where I can talk about current politics.--74.34.87.97 (talk) 18:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, no, because Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. There are articles about politics, but the talk pages of articles should be used to discuss improvements to the articles, and not to talk about the subject of those articles. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

If you want to ask a factual question about politics, we have Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities, but this is not a place for discussion or opinionizing. Rojomoke (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Robert A. Bell

I have tried to edit the entry for Robert A. Bell, since it is me, but cannot see how to change the title. I am not Robert A. Bell, I am Robert Bell - no A involved. Please advise on the process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberto Bello (talk • contribs) 21:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

You rename it by doing a page move to Robert Bell. But in this case it's impossible because there are many articles on Wikipedia about different people named Robert Bell. We'd have to move it to a different name altogether. I have just moved the article to the title Robert Bell (genealogist) and changed all the other links to it in other articles accordingly. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

white owl

hi, this is harry from gas station 1202 west vine st in kissimmee.can u send any white owl rep at gas station — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.76.117.143 (talk) 22:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Orange Mike | Talk 22:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

November 14

Photo as source

I would like to use a photograph on WP Commons as a source, but am unsure how to do it. This photo:[File:Adhilleion_History.JPG] is the only source of information that I could find as reference. It is text from a tourist information window. My main problem is that I want to link to the file description page, but my attempts always link to the image itself, except for using an external link:[7]. ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC) If you're wondering where I need it, it would be reference #7, here: Willy Stöwer ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 00:06, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

For an article reference you should use an external link but to Commons where the image is hosted: [8]. Articles can be copied to other websites, printed and so on, so interwiki links in references may break. Anyway, a colon in front of the link produces File:Adhilleion History.JPG. Media:Adhilleion History.JPG gives a direct link to the full resolution file. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. For a reference, probably the full wikimedia link is best, more like a "permalink". Thanks, ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 (talk) 01:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Article deleted due to copyright infringement

Hello, my article has been deleted due to copyright infringement.

My question's are:

How/can I bring the article back to correct? or has the page I created been deleted for ever?

How long does the deleted page show up in Internet search results for?

There was an error in the title when I created it; can I change the title of the existing pase or do I have to cretae a new one?

So, should I create a new page with a corrected main title with all of the referencing and coopyright issues resolved. Or use the existing deleted page (if I can) and change that main title?

Any help appreciated. Many thanks.

DBruceNZ (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)DBruceNZ

Normally, an uncontroversially deleted article can be undeleted, and userfied as a user draft article for submission to AfC. However, copyright violations will not be restored, even into a sandbox. Articles must be written in your own words. It's better if you start from scratch.--xanchester (t) 01:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

To answer your other questions: the page you created has gone forever, so you can just start afresh with the correct title; however, I suggest you create the article in a sandbox: see WP:YFA. And we have no control over how long before Google notices that the page has gone. --ColinFine (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

National Socialism

First, it is repeatedly stated on the Wikipedia post that National Socialism was a right wing party. Further, it states that their platform was anti-big business, anti-capitalism and anti-bourgeoisie. None of these are right wing positions and in fact are positions that have been part of the far left platform for over 100 years, so the claim is at best erroneous.

Second, I find it interesting that the only place that there is reference to the right wing is in a negative context through dubious association with such political systems, while, at the same time the left wing gets no such treatment. For instance Socialism and Communism have been associated with the left and the progressive movement, there is no mention in your articles on these subjects.

I am not stating that you should include such statements on the left, however, even though you do not have a centralized editorial department, you do have an editorial policy and it should be applied evenly. In addition, some basic fact checking should apply, such as do editorial assertions by the author have any basis in the facts, even if those facts are only those presented in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StephenFRowe (talk • contribs) 01:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The relevant facts are that National Socialism is almost universally described as right-wing by credible historians and other academics who are qualified to comment on the subject. If you have sources of a similar standard which suggest otherwise, I suggest you raise the matter at Talk:Nazism - this is a help desk, not a forum for debating article content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of a page

I was recently notified that the page for "Richy Nix" was deleted. Richy Nix is a musician from Canada and had his page developed and updated as his career was progressing. Can I get some information on why the page was deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philkuku (talk • contribs) 04:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

At a guess, would Wikipedia:Notability (music) give a clue? To merit an article on Wikipedia, a musician needs to have 'progressed', rather than to just be 'progressing' - and we need evidence from third-party reliable sources to indicate this. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It looks like it was deleted for lack of notability. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Richy_Nix RudolfRed (talk) 04:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

In other words, it was deleted because people didn't think that Richy had gotten enough in-depth coverage from reliable sources. Nyttend (talk) 05:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I also suggest you read our guidance on "up-and-coming" subjects. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

About CIDER International School

Hi all.
"CIDER International School" is an existing upper-secondary level school in Chittagong, Bangladesh. Whenever I try to add references, they are hijacked to "http://ciderinternationalschool.org", a site that may possibly be cybersquatting the actual school's website. I simply don't have the smarts to investigate this further or suggest a workaround.
Could anyone possibly help me out with this? --Shirt58 (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Are there no other citable sources to be found? Even if that URL was usable (I can't load it at all), it would presumably be the school's own site, and therefore not an independent reliable source. If no one else has written about it, then maybe it doesn't warrant an article. Rojomoke (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

(ec)That link simply fails with a timeout for me, so it looks as if even if it was once the school's own website it is no longer. But in any case, references from the school's own website are permitted only for very limited uses - to support uncontroversial factual information in the article, such as its location or the names of principal members of staff. For most purposes - and in particular, to establish notability, without which an article is liable to be deleted - independent reliable sources are required for references. --ColinFine (talk) 11:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Since Shirt58's last edit someone with a COI username has added a load of WP:PEACOCK material. I'm going to PROD the article. Roger (talk) 12:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Fine with all the above, and thanks for all of your help. <sighs> Fact remains that there is a school of that or similar name in Bangladesh, but the article may well end up being deleted. Most unfortunate indeed. Again, thank you all for your kind help and most appreciated advice. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

@Roger, Wouldn't a better approach be to revert the COI edits back to the previous version from last year? Astronaut (talk) 13:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Astronaut, you're welcome to contest the PROD. But as it stands, the article has no references and so does not establish notability. --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

If you are convinced the article is worth saving and you can prove that the subject is notable, you are welcome to have a go at cleaning it up. Roger (talk) 14:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

There is a long-standing tradition of the blanket notability of secondary schools - if there existence is verified. See Wikipedia:OUTCOMES#Schools. Rmhermen (talk) 16:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It's only a presumption of notability - which serves to prevent the summary deletion of stubs in the early stages of development - as a presumption is is subject to denial if the GNG standard is not achieved. Roger (talk) 19:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

edit in wikipedia will not accept my external url

I have tried to edit an external link but it is a .co.nr address which is being refused, what can I do to get the address accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.188.235 (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Please state in which article you want to put this link. .nr states that it is not an official domain. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 13:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

(ec) Some URLs cannot be added to Wikipedia articles because they are known to be the source of malware. See Wikipedia:Spam_blacklist. If you tell us the address that's being refused, modified so that the wiki software doesn't recognize it (type 'dot' instead of '.' for instance), we'll be able to investigate. Rojomoke (talk) 13:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Doug Hoffer

Good morning

I was just elected Vermont State Auditor and someone created a page about me (Doug Hoffer). http://vermont-elections.org/elections1/2012ElectionResults/2012GeneralElectionResults/2012GEStatewideCanvass.pdf (see page 3)

The page is partly accurate but contains some errors. In addition, if there is to be such a page, I would like to expand it somewhat. And as the subject of the page, I am the best source of information (it's my life after all). However, the understandable need for citations makes this a challenge.

I posted on the Talk page but have had no response.

So how exactly can I edit the page?

Thank you - Doug Hoffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhoffer (talk • contribs) 13:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I added a title to separate your question from the one above it, and made your name into a link to the article. Rojomoke (talk) 13:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

You may be the best source of information on your life, but by Wikipedia policy you are not the best (or even an acceptable) source for a Wikipedia article about you. This may seem paradoxical, but Wikipedia works on verifiability. Please see WP:Autobiography for why you should not in general work on the article directly: if there is information in the article which is both wrong and unsourced, you (or anybody) may remove it; but be very cautious about adding new material yourself, and especially about removing information which appears to be referenced to a reliable source. WP:COI has a lot of useful guidance. --ColinFine (talk) 14:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Error when updating watchlist

My current Watchlist is about 25,000 pages long, and I'm trying to significantly cut it down, however when editing the raw watchlist and submitting I get the following error:

PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.21wmf3/includes/specials/SpecialEditWatchlist.php line 273:

Allowed memory size of 157286400 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 262144 bytes)

Special:EditWatchlist doesn't load for me (blank white page) and I don't fancy the idea of manually unwatching thousands of pages! Is there anything that can be done? Thanks :-) Jeni ^(talk) 14:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I suspect my watchlist has just become far too long for the script to handle, causing it to topple over. Is it at all possible for someone to just manually clear my watchlist from the database or similar? I've got a backup of the pages that I *do* want to continue watching (much less than 25k!) so it's not a problem to start from scratch! Jeni ^(talk) 14:29, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

As of a few mins ago, I was given a blank message, thankyou to whoever did that :-) Jeni ^(talk) 14:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Redacting email address in edit summary

Leeds Trinity University College; an IP has put an email address in their edit summary. I think it needs to be redacted, could someone help me or just do it. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem with email addresses is when people use them for outing others; individuals who post their own email addresses have done something foolish, but unless something else come up (e.g. disruptive email address; poster wants it taken down, etc.) we don't need to. Nyttend (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

OK then, thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Change Article Name

Hello, i made an article that is now called "Wikipedia:Articles for creation/HelloGiggles (website)". How can i change it to "HelloGiggles (website)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/HelloGiggles_(website) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeThreeHG (talk • contribs) 15:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

See HelloGiggles. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeThreeHG (talk • contribs) 16:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Person alive, character dead

Hi!, I am new to Wikipedia and would like to know this, I read the copyright rules and I understood them but for instance, this picture depicts a person who is alive (the actor) but a character who is dead (Final Destination 2). I mean, does it qualify under fair rationale? Thank you! Newyorkboyy (talk) 16:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Fair-use rationale applies to how the work was generated. If the image is a publicity shot for a film, or a screen capture from the film, then the copyright is owned by the studio that produced the film and fair-use rules apply. The character's disposition in the film has no effect on that. If, however, the picture was taken by an individual - for example, someone who was visiting the set and snapped the picture while the actor was on-set and in-character - then the image would probably be considered free. --McDoobAU93 16:40, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

But if you don't know the copyright status, it's safer to assume non-free. In addition, a character who is dead has no bearing on the ability to use the image of the character. - Purplewowies (talk) 20:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Why is notability important in Wikipedia?

I'm somewhat familiar with Wikipedia and how understand how it is important for information in articles to be accurate and obtained from reliable sources, but I'm not too sure about why it's important for information or articles/subjects to be notable enough. Can someone please enlighten me with the reason of why notability is required? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.251.196 (talk) 17:04, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Notability.--ukexpat (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an indiscriminate collection of everything. Entries on Wikipedia must have some sort of encyclopedic value, demonstrated by the subject's notability.--xanchester (t) 17:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Look at it this way: if we didn't have notability requirements, there would be an article about anything and everything! (anything – do you think someone's pet dog or cat, a story they made up, their garage band, etc. deserve an article in an encyclopedia? [maybe, if they are well-known]) Wikipedia would be really clogged up with non-notable stuff, and it would probably lose the respect of readers who would be able to find an article about every little thing. The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 17:27, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem is not that readers would be able to find an article about every little thing, there would be so many articles about everything that they would not find any article any more. How to find the former president amongst all Gerald Fords that would have an article? Lova Falk talk 18:48, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

That's what disambiguation pages are for, see John Smith for example.--ukexpat (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I know, this is just an example. But imagine all John Smiths in the world would get their article in Wikipedia (when we remove the notability criterium). Then even disambiguation pages would be way too long, and it would be really difficult to find for instance John Smith the cricketer (there are five of them already)... Lova Falk talk 19:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

• To the OPs question: You've answered the question yourself. All notability is at Wikipedia is "information in articles to be accurate and obtained from reliable sources." That's it: If a topic is to be the subject of a stand-alone article, there needs to be enough "information in articles to be accurate and obtained from reliable sources" to build a decent stand-alone article around. Notability means exactly and only that. --Jayron32 18:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

AC/DC (electricity)

There's a confrotnation by IP user 86.159.159.194 believing the information provided is reduntant and deleted without noticing the sources, if there a solution to this information.--97.64.214.150 (talk) 17:19, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk. You should discuss the issue on Talk:AC/DC (electricity). 86.159.159.194 has already initiated the discussion at Talk:AC/DC (electricity)#Section on AC and DC.--xanchester (t) 17:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

About the article Best selling music artists of all time

I am a new editor and i would really appreciate your help with that. I wanted to say that in this article some artists who have sold more than 70 millions records which is the lowest's artist of the list sales, are not listed. An example is Lady Gaga ,who according to another wikipedia article Lady Gaga's discography, has sold more than 89 millions record (64.000.000 singles + 25.000.000+ albums) and she is NOT listed..

I would really appreciate your answer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foivos Nix (talk • contribs) 17:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome! You're going to need an independent, published source for that. Once you have a source, go ahead, be bold and edit the page. If you are reverted, discuss the change on the talk page of the article. This process is known as WP:BRD: bold, revert, discuss.--xanchester (t) 17:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Assistance required

I have done pretty much of my homework while preparing for this article (to be moved someday to the original article Goa Medical College), some of it is from offline sources. I need assistance from someone who is interested and would be able to provide additional information. Any advice where on Wikipedia should I look for and how is my writing at present going. ⚕ Dr. ANK (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what the procedure is for making replacement articles in a personal space and then overwriting it in order to keep the appropriate page history. However, what I will say is that the replacement article you have created looks *really* good and my concern on keeping the page history straight is the *only* thing keeping me from suggesting it move now. I only see two places that aren't referenced, the end of the second paragraph in the header and the post 1986 history.Naraht (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

It can be moved without disruption to the histories of both pages, because there is very little overlap in edits. There are just a couple edits to the original article since Drankush started the revised version. Therefore merging both histories should not be a problem, but it takes an admin to do this. If you want me to perform a history merge, please drop me a note on my talk page. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Naraht and Amatulić for your encouraging words. I have also compiled some reference images (dated before 1923) from public libraries and so Im expecting them to be in public domain. I have even planned writing a timeline for the historical series of events. The header is copied same from the original article so its not yet referenced (I will work on it). Im still working on post 1983 and the college library and some staff has promised me to help me in the same (as they say it shouldn't be difficult) and so does the local newspapers. Amatulic, I will definitely contact you once Im done with this article to a acceptable standard. Thanks once again, have a nice day. ⚕ Dr. ANK (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Usually when an editor asks for help with a new article, I doubt that it will survive, and am reluctant to help. But this one already looked really good, and is on a clearly notable subject, so I have spent some time making many minor changes, to grammar, punctuation, etc. If these get lost from its edit history I don't think it matters, they are not (or are not intended to be) controversial. Maproom (talk) 20:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Help acquiring an image

I am not sure whether this is the proper place to ask this, but I was hoping to find some help with acquiring an image of filmmaker and actor Cory Edwards. There do not seem to be any free images of him available, but several images of him can be found on his official website [9]. I assume that these images are copyrighted, but I remember reading somewhere that one could request that someone release an image of themselves into the public domain. Edwards always responds to questions in the comment sections of his website and also provides an e-mail address, Cory@futureboyfilms.com. I have corresponded with him through his website in the past and would simply ask him myself, but I have little knowledge of copyright law and little experience with images on Wikipedia. If someone more experienced in these areas could help, I would really appreciate it.

I want to use the image in the Hoodwinked! article, which will be Wikipedia's Featured Article of the Day on Friday, so if an image could be acquired before then, that would be ideal. I'm not sure how long this process usually takes though. --Jpcase (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe that WP:DCM tells you what you would need to ask him. --ColinFine (talk) 00:17, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Operation New Life

The statement that the 1500+ repatriates returned to Viet Nam were "viet Cong" is totally false. I was the Navy physician responsible for the camp and they were mostly women children and members of the South vietnamese armed forces who decided to return, usually since their families were left behind.

T.C. Farrell MD MS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.221.198 (talk) 22:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The reference given for this (the last paragraph of the article) indeed does not identify them as Viet Cong, but just as "refugees", so it would certainly be legitimate to remove that identification from the article. But there is other information in the paragraph which is not in the source referenced, so I am reluctant to edit it as I know nothing about the subject.

If you have a reliable source to reference, you are welcome to edit the article, but personal knowledge is not enough: see WP:V for why not. Otherwise, I suggest that you bring this up at Talk:Operation New Life and see you can work with other editors to improve the article. --ColinFine (talk) 00:28, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Is the Secure Server down?

I normally log in through the secure server. At present it is going to the unsecured log in. Paul foord (talk) 22:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

On further investigation it looks like it is working differently. Paul foord (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Upload Pic to Scott Antol article

I am trying to upload a pictureto my own article page... Scott Antol ... how do I proceed in doing so? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotty58 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:Uploading images and WP:Image tutorial. Please notice that you have a conflict of interest in editing that page, so you should be very cautious about doing so - the link I gave advises you how to handle it. But donating a picture would be very welcome: be aware that it is not enough to say "I allow Wikipedia to use this": you have to agree to licence it in a prescribed way, that will allow it to be used for any purpose, with proper attribution. --ColinFine (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roh_Moo-hyun

Hello. I am Sunghye Kim, a manager of Education team, Roh Moo-hyun foundation in Seoul, Korea. Roh is a former president in South Korea, and had a conflict political relationship with the opposite party(conservative, Saenuri Party) in Korea. Now that we only have a month to presidential election, the opposites are acting dirty even with the former president, Roh. Somebody tries to make president Roh a communist, corrupted politician who died for shame. We, as a representative of former president Roh Moo-hyun, really hope that you could stop him or her for doing such a rude and irrespectful behavior. I will try to edit the contents myself, but I am expecting Wikipedia to do something to make it right. Please send us your response as soon as possible. Thank you in advance.

Sunghye Kim Education Team, Roh Moo-hyun Fondation