Talk:Atos

Company information

A144808 (talk) 16:59, 31 October 2011 (UTC) restored the original company information. Updated with the very factual lastest company description of the press release boilerplate of Atos.

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.49.41 (talk) 19:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

An employee of Atos Origin was found to have lost a USB thumb stick containg highly sensitive user information and source code for the UK governments Gateway system. someone might want to look at these links: here and here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.97.142 (talk) 23:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Benefit assessments

There is covering a legitimate topic and there is blatantly one-sided soapboxing. This crossed the line. Full of what appears to be anecdotal evidence, not supported by reliable sources with no expression of the opposing viewpoint in the midst of a welter of criticism. Gr1st (talk) 19:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Atos seem to attract a lot of criticism from many quarters. All the same, I get the impression here that someone has read a critical report and reported too extensively from it. I expect, with all the current Paralympic related coverage, editors will be able to update/abbreviate the section as necessary. Sionk (talk) 22:41, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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Atos Origin → Atos – Over redirect. Company has changed name (legally as well as for branding purposes). Gr1st (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support sure, why not.
  — V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 21:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Atos nvolvement in matters of UK national security?

According to a newspaper article <http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/12/atos-doctors-sign-official-secrets-act>, UK Government contractors Atos have recently insisted all members of staff sign the Official Secrets Act <http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/contents>, in an apparent effort to prevent leaks of information about Atos disability assessments which are proving embarassing to the DWP minister (Ian Duncan Smith) and to them. The DWP have denied requesting their contractor do this to their staff - does anyone with knowledge of the OSA understand how criticism about the work Atos perform for the UK Government could pose a threat to national security, or why they should be making a request to members of the medical and nursing professions, who feel it will prevent them from whistleblowing in an effort to protect the health of the patients they interface with, like the suicide victims listed below ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.224.14 (talk) 00:10, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Update employee count after Siemens IT acquisition

After acquiring Siemens IT, the company now has 78,500 employees, according to their web site. http://atos.net/en-us/about_us/default.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.61.163.221 (talk) 20:17, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Atos Healthcare

What's the Dr Foster stuff about? Non sequitur?

Northampton - 'deliver a solution'. Does that mean 'produce some software'? If it does, why not say so?

Notreallydavid (talk) 03:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: Dr Foster - Agree that this appears to have no place here. Deleted. As for, "deliver a solution": the term is used when the actual needs for a particular situation are so out-with an organization's knowledge that all they can do is call for something to "fill the gap". It's a clichéd term, for sure, but frequently apt.

Edrarsoric (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Impending Paralympics Boycott Because of Atos -Assessment Related Suicides?

Sponsorship of the 2012 London Paralympics by Atos has led to a growing protest movement largely because of the number of suicides, which impartial Inquest juries in the UK have attributed to harassing and distressing techniques they use when 'assessing' people on disability benefits. should there not be a separate 'controversies' section for this firm? The entry appears biased without one. For example,

Two cases of benefit cut related suicides involving ex-British services personnel are poor Mr. David Sanderson of Southfield (<http://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/9215292.Dad_committed_suicide_after_housing_benefit_cut/>), and Army Veteran Mark and Helen Mullins of Bedworth(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8878543/Poverty-suicide-couple-had-warned-of-hopeless-situation.html) . Another pensioner is mentioned in a later section. Then, there are the disabled suicides,such as Paul Willcoxson, 33, of Corby, Northants, who according to his suicide note, was worried about benefit cuts when he hung himself in April. And Elaine Christian, 57, of Hull, who according to reports of an inquest in July, was worried about a meeting to assess her disability benefits. She was found drowned in a drain with ten self-inflicted cuts to her wrist and had taken painkillers <http://www.cloggie.org/proggold/2011/12/06/welfare-reform-kills/> . The Taxpayer's burden was further relieved in March 2010, when Vicky Harrison, a 21-year-old, took her life with a massive overdose of drugs in Darwen, Lancashire. < http://wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/suic-m18.shtml>. + Arguably, if such people do commit suicides, they are no longer a burden on the UK taxpayer, and Atos assessments will indeed, be of enormous benefit to the public purse - but was the risk of suicide not forseen by Atos ? Another 10 benefit-cuts related suicides are:-

1. <http://www.thisishampshire.net/news/9095159.Jobseeker_took_own_life/> 2. <http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/no…s-leanne-chambers-72703-27003699/> 3. <http://news.scotsman.com/arts/Aut…suicide-39due-to-slash.6438473.jp> 4. & 5. <http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment…n/07/mother-suicide-welfare-state> 6. <http://www.thisishullandeastridin…/story-12927176-detail/story.html> 7. <http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investi…/2011/02/sick-who-gives-atos.html> 8. <http://www.guardian.co.uk/politic…rnment-reform-disability-benefits> 9. <http://www.consumeractiongroup.co…elp-me-take-Atos-and-DWP-to-court> 10. <http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-…ad-family-claims-115875-23147158/> 11. Addition to Deaths 4 & 5 Above. Mother was pregnant so her unborn baby died as well. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PRE…TO+DEATH+HOLDING+SON.-a0213434697 Plus an example of fatal Atos misdiagnosis at <http://www.guardian.co.uk/society…l/24/atos-case-study-larry-newman>. To avoid allegations that this entry is little more than an advertisement for a private company, perhaps you should include coverage of claims of Corporate Manslaughter against Atos for failing to adequately assess the mental health impact of the way they treat disabled former tax payers when assessing them as 'fit to work'.212.139.103.26 (talk) 14:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)twl212.139.103.26 (talk) 14:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.231.241 (talk)

Perhaps we should include the coverage, but then again perhaps it would be much better if you added it yourself per WP:BOLD? Valenciano (talk) 00:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a Wikipedia veteran, but I can't find any evidence in this page's changes history of someone taking responsibility for the POV tag on the "Controversy" section; so, I'm going to assume that this discussion is related, owing to the similarities in dating and content.

This portion of the article is definitely problematic - take, for example, the misplaced (and subsequently extremely misleading) citation that I had to correct in the paragraph regarding the GMC. Additionally, the very first citation is, I've just discovered, a 404! I'll be frank: I'm in no position to fix this section myself. However, I will try just now to verify the validity of as many citations as I can. After that, I think the next job (most likely for someone else, I'm afraid, though I'll do my best) should be to delete any claims that can't be substantiated. But in all honesty, this article is atrocious - POV is the least of its issues. I'm going to add as many relevant warning tags as I can to bring this to the attention of future readers.

Edrarsoric (talk) 17:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I've done what I can. I apologise for the lack of finesse and technical expertise, but I thought it more important this article be made more accurate for future visitors than languish in its lamentable prior state.

Edrarsoric (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about my previous comment, but this is an issue that has left me colossally angry - and with a total feeling of impotence. Which is about how I guess is how most disabled people feel about it. Achieving a neutral point of view NPOV in an issue like this looks like an atrociously difficult task, and not one that I would want even if I were not a protagonist. (or victim) - Lucien86 (talk) 13:44, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

01/09/2012: According to the BBC, Atos were 'occupied' today by around 150 disabled individuals, who were protesting about the standard of Atos fitness for work assessments, the fact that appeals currently leave people without any money for around a year, and the large number of suicides already caused. The link is here <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19437785> - the protest comes a day after the death of Celia Burns, who, despite being terminally ill with cancer, was judged to be 'fit to work' by Atos and had her income reduced by £30 a week - the last year of her life- only to win her appeal and have her benefit reinstated just in time to pay for her funeral. "I was treated badly. I've been working since I was 17, I've paid all my stamps, all my National Insurance. The only time I was ever sick was when I was pregnant with my two sons" she can be quoted as saying in this BBC interview - <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19433535>. 00:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)twl79.70.232.67 (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Atos in Italy?

Are Atos involved with disability assessments for the Italian Government? Or in any other European countries?80.42.236.201 (talk) 02:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)twl80.42.236.201 (talk) 02:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Atos Healthcare again

With its specific, well reported role in the UK DWP's medical assessments, I'm wondering whether it will be beneficial to create a standalone Wikipedia article about Atos Healthcare. It is beginning to take up a disproportionate part of the Atos article.

Obviously, during the process the current content on the subject will need to be cleaned up and properly sourced. Sionk (talk) 22:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure AtoS would be delighted if they could shuffle the coverage of continued criticism of their role in medical assessment by disabled people away from the main page relating to them - i.e. I believe moving the coverage would be a pro-AtoS move and violate NPOV. I would also question whether a major ongoing controversy in one of their most important markets, with substantial media coverage and which has seen senior AtoS executives called to testify before Parliament, truly warrants the term 'disproportionate'. Indeed given that they are being specifically targeted in protests during the 2012 Paralympics, and that they have just won the contract to carry out the PIP assessment process, which by definition will mean 20% of current Disability Living Allowance recipients (i.e. 500,000 people out of 2.5m)losing benefit as a result of AtoS assessments, and the additional controversy over AtoS failure to provide for the agreed recording of assessments, we may actually need to expand the coverage. DG

I think we generally agree about most things. The reason I suggested creating a separate article is because it took me a very long time to find the coverage on Wikipedia. I came here to find out more because of the current news reports. The Wikipedia coverage is at the bottom of a long article about the parent company, which is described as a "consulting and technology" operation. In my view, the coverage would not be hidden if there was a standalone article, but easier to find. If divisions of multinational (or any) companies are widely talked about, like Atos Healthcare, they should generally have a separate article.

This wouldn't mean Atos Healthcare being expunged from the Atos article. It would simply be summarised, with a hatnote leading to the main article about Atos Healthcare.

There sems to be little 'good' news about Atos Healthcare, so it is quite right to concentrate on the criticisms/demonstrations/complaints, in my view.

I'll amend the lead paragraphs about Atos to include a mention of Atos Healthcare. Sionk (talk) 10:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

NPOV template

Someone added a NPOV template to the Atos Healthcare section in April 2012 but there seems to be no attempt to resolve the problem. Is there still a problem? All I can see at the moment is a few areas that could be tightened up/edited to be less 'wordy'. And I'm not sure we have enough information about this BMJ report/article (source #45) to identify it, considering it is referred to in a number of places. Sionk (talk) 01:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Atos introduction

Hello, I have recently joined the Wiki community and set up an account as although not an employee of Atos I am working together with them on their digital communications. I have noticed that some editors have helped to make a number of recent changes which have brought much more balance to the Atos Wikipedia page, so thank you for that.

I would like to suggest some small additional updates and would ask your view on them, and if you agree with them, your help in making them. They are all at the top of the page, introduction text:

Request to amend: Amend this sentence from: Atos has been the Worldwide IT Partner for the Olympic since 2001. To: Atos has been the Worldwide IT Partner for the Olympic Games since 2001.

Requests to remove From the section “Company Information” to the top where the Atos introduction starts. As this new introduction text is much stronger than before, I would like to suggest moving the following sentence from the “Company Information” section and then the rest of the Company Information section could be deleted as it is either double or no longer needed.

Request to add copy: Add: “Atos operates under the brands Atos, Atos Consulting & Technology Services, Atos Worldline and Atos Worldgrid.” This could be placed after the sentence that reads: “The company is listed on Euronext Paris and a constituent of the CAC Mid 60 stock market index.”

Request to amend: Finally, to clarify the point that unlike Atos Consulting & Technology Services, Atos Worldline and Atos Worldgrid, Atos Healthcare only operates in the UK, I would suggest amending the following sentence to match what is written in the Atos Healthcare section on this Wiki page: From: Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos, has attracted sustained criticism for its management…. To: Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos providing consulting in the UK health sector, has attracted sustained criticism for its management…

Please let me know what you think of these suggestions, (tim362729|t )(COI) 09:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Point '1' seems sensible and uncontroversial. I don't understand point '2'. The point '3' brands already seem to be listed in the article. I've made an amendment to cover point '4'. Thankyou for declaring your conflict of interest and requesting your amendments here. Sionk (talk) 12:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

{{Request edit}} Paragrapp "Company Information". Please add the citation information as is here below: “The company is listed on Euronext Paris and a constituent of the CAC Mid 60 stock market index.” (tim362729|t )(COI)

Please give a reference to a reliable source to verify that, and them ask again with a {{Request edit}}. Note, other wikipedia articles are not references. Thanks. Shaz0t (talk) 23:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

{{Request edit}} New sources: - Euronext Paris; - CAC Mid 60; (tim362729|t )(COI)

1. Change to Intro para: Suggest to move this para on Atos Healthcare to be the opening para of the Atos Healthcare section 7 as it basically repeats the sentences before it. Also the opening para is about Atos as a whole and Atos Healthcare is only a small part of the company and we don’t mention all the other parts here. Move the section "Atos Healthcare, a division of Atos operating ...assessments are conducted.[8]" to the intro of "Atos Healthcare" section 7.

2: Small updates to History section Add to sources for "citations needed" - "....companies Axime and Sligos." - "division of ITELLIUM, a subsidiary of KarstadtQuelle."

(tim362729|t )(COI)

Section History and missing citations Needed

Please find changes, copy improvements on first 3 lines in section "History".Please submitt to the page.

1. Add content op the top "Atos is an international information technology services company with annual revenues of EUR 8.5 billion and employees 74,000 in 48 countries. It was formed on July 1st 2011 from Atos Origin and Siemens IT Solutions and Services GmbH.

2.add citation to sentence ...French companies Axime and Sligos.

3. add citation to sentence ...the IT service division of Schlumberger and took over the infrastructure division of ITELLIUM, a subsidiary of KarstadtQuelle.

(tim362729|t )(COI) 08:49, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Accessibility of facilities

I've added a "original research?" template to the 'Accessibility of facilities' sub-section (of Atos Healthcare), because it lacks reliable secondary sources. It currently looks as if someone has gone through the Atos Healthcare website analysing parking facilities, then synthesised this with a description of the requirements of DDA. Maybe someone can add reliable secondary sources that show this is a widespread complaint and valid for its own section? Sionk (talk) 10:59, 6 September 2012 (UTC)