User talk:Alan Liefting

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Careful now

I was surprised to see you apply a speedy tag to List of the envirmoental issues all over the world (Gregory Paley). If I had followed that proposal, I would have deleted all the edit history. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It was quite a messy situation. The page had been moved twice, both to a bad page name. I guess I should have done a WP:RM? I could not move the page back myself since I am not an admin. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:30, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

No. The move was non-controversial so what you should have done was applied {{db-move|List of the envirmoental issues all over the world (Gregory Paley)|revert vandalism}} to list of environmental issues. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for the info. I have never used that one before. And who says you can't each an old dog new tricks! -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 18:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Concerned that you also placed a speedy tag on a museum article which has a full length article on Korean wikipedia. I used my alternative account to remove the tag seems as people are busy right now and have expanded it a bit. Its potentially dangerous speedy tagging articles which can be expanded. Please be more careful. If you want any article I've started expanded, kindly ask!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I had done a google search on it and it came up with next to nothing. I must admit that I had overlooked the Korean version and that you were the author. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 18:32, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!!

For all you do!! Keep Wikipedia clean and ignore the loud noises some people make. Have a wonderful HOLIDAY!!

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But seriously, thanks very much for the sentiment. Also as an atheist and as one who considers religion to be harmful to society I don't partake in festivities relating to Christianity. Anyway, you keep of the good work as well. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Care still needed

Very sorry to have to complain again. But gigapan was case of vandalism. To be honest, I might have missed it bu I checked the history for spam user name. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Damn. I must not have even looked at the history. It looked like a newly created spam article. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

In my defence, during my wiki-gnoming at Category:Articles with missing files I am seeing all sorts of rubbish turning up so I am becoming naturally suspicious of all the new ones that I see. Am I excused? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• You are excused. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

• And politically correct wishes for this time of year to you as well. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:30, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

RFA effectiveness

The lack of effectiveness is the general consensus of the community and has recently been slightly addressed by Jimbo's most recent talkpage post. See:[1].--Amadscientist (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

DWH oil spill

Alan, hi and thanks for your help at DWH page. This is a bad time to be making such major edits, as many are just going in the biggest holiday of the year. The editors at the page have not even begun to discuss the changes you are making. How does one decide they alone will redo an article during a major holiday without seeking consensus due to fear of edit conflicts? This makes no sense to me because Wikipedia guidelines say no one owns an article and that EVERYTHING is done by consensus. petrarchan47tc 08:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I am about to do a separate {{merge}} request. As I said on the talk page it is a logical progression given the article size. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree about the timing. I will try to figure out what has transpired but time is short. Alan, you need to know that the article and others related to BP have seen a lot of controversy in the past and changes are best done through consensus. That said, it is good to have someone interested in helping with the article. Gandydancer (talk) 13:58, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Your idea to do a rehash of the Lede is great if you plan to work as a group. I tried once to make a tiny change to the BP Intro without discussion on the talk page first and ended up in three months of discussion and noticeboards. It's pretty much common knowledge that you can't make huge changes, whether they seem logical or not, without consulting other editors or without receiving a challenge to your edits. If you have the extra time, perhaps start with moving the Investigations section (see talk). petrarchan47tc 21:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

HazWasteOnline

Hi Alan; I am hoping that you can guide me wrt the HazWasteOnline page not meeting the notability guidelines. The software is now used by blue chip companies (BAE Systems, Tata, Cemex), most of the top environmental and enginering consltants (eg URS, Jacobs, Ove Arup, CH2MHill, AMEC, Grontmij, Golder Associates) and by regulators (Scottish Environment Agency and more recently the Irish EPA as we are finding Irish waste producers coming to us for help).

It is a fairly new software product that is gaining a good reputation in professional circles with the Environment Agency recently bringing it to the notice of the European Commission - and asking me to help review the new UK guidelines due out in the Spring. Because it is early days, there is not yet a wealth of references in the liturature, and yet it is the only software to undertake the complicated task of classifying potentially hazardous waste - and yes it does reference the guidelines/EU regulations as these define the rules that the software lives by.

Waste classification is a niche area, hence the software will be niche - but no more niche than more established software like Goldsim which is on Wikipedia.

As one of Wikipedia's great strengths is being able to find out about more uncommon things and in doing so help educate people. Most people who are required by law to classify their waste in Europe don't or can't because the regulations and chemistry are so complex.

We are trying to level the playing field amd a wikipedia entry helps both us and the other stakeholders.

I would appreciate any advice you can give - should I post this on the discussion page you initiated?

Ian

Ipohsib (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The deletion discussion (at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hazwasteonline) is the best place to make a case for keeping it. As an environmentalist I support any initiative to manage waste but the topic does not meet the Wikipedia notability guidelines. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 19:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Article for Gilbert Hitch

Alan, I understand that this article is now being considered for deletion. There seems to be no specific indication for the decision. Is it related to biographical content that can be adjusted? In the initial response it was indicated that the biographical content did not satisfy wikipedia WP-VERIFY conditions but that in all other respects it was acceptable for publication. I removed all unverified biographical content.Sintch (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I tagged it for deletion since it does not seem tp meet the requirement of the notability guidelines for people (see WP:BIO). As well as being verifiable articles must be on a notable topic. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 18:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's greetings

Per WP:IAR and WP:AGF, I hope you'll allow me one chance to post my best wishes to you at this time of year. I spent many happy months in Godzone and often wish I could retreat there to avoid my daily grind. I found it profitable to re-read Christmas truce and realise how short and precious life is. It's a pity their truce lasted for such a short time. We, perhaps, could aim to extend beyond one night? In any case, my olive branch is extended (no standard British double entendre intended) and once again, all the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I accept your olive branch and I also agree with the sentiments that you have expressed. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 18:42, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

An uplifting exchange to eavesdrop on. Good on you both. --Dweller (talk) 21:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Domenichino

Please stop this pointless fiddling. If you can't see why the article on subject of a painting should not be in "see also", I can't be bothered to explain. Happy Christmas! Johnbod (talk) 21:09, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

It is not pointless. I don' like doing pointless things. And I have just this minute posted a message on the talk page. See Talk:Adoration of the Shepherds (Domenichino). -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:13, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

BTW, it is now Boxing Day here in NZ and as an atheist is don't celebrate Christmas. Thanks for the sentiment though. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:30, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion tag- Attapeu Stadium

I've declined your WP:CSD#A3 nomination of Attapeu Stadium because the article does not meet the appropriate criterion. To quote part of the A3 criterion, "However, a very short article may be a valid stub if it has context, in which case it is not eligible for deletion under this criterion. Similarly, this criterion does not cover a page having only an infobox, unless its contents also meet the above criteria." This page does have an infobox, and it's quite clear that the article is about a stadium, so it has enough context. This means that it isn't eligible for A3, and can't be speedy deleted as such. It may still be eligible for deletion under a different process, such as PROD or AfD.--Slon02 (talk) 22:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok. It is a shame that CSD rules are too rigid. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

DWH environmental summary

Hi there Alan, would you be able to drop off that summary to the DWH oil spill talk page anytime soon? petrarchan47tc 00:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Philately

Hi, I put the more refs required tag back in, there are only four. I don't care about it being in the philatelic terms category but it does seem, in itself, to be a philatelic term? Thanks, Philafrenzy (talk) 00:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Zennor Head

I noticed you edited Zennor Head to remove some images - I couldn't see why you did but after restoring the previous version the images aren't showing - were they showing when you removed them, I can't work out why they are not as they are still on Commons. Thanks.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 00:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I removed the links because they did not exist on Commons. It seems they do a lot a deleting over there. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:41, 26 December 2012 (UTC

Oh ok thanks then ... the puzzle now is why I can still see their file description pages then? Does this page exist for you or is it hanging around in my cahce? --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 00:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Have just noticed that &nbsp has been added to some of the images at some point. Taking that out of the image links will probably make it work. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:49, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes it was that and em-dashes which fit the MOS but break the file names. Thanks --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 00:56, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Map of E11 is there, but not visible

Dear Alan Liefting, I will undo your removal of a useful map of E11 in E11 European long distance path, since that map is really useful if only it would appear. You will find the map in European long-distance paths, but for some (technical?) reason it refuses to show up in the article about E11. Please help to improve the link instead of removing it! DrMennoWolters (talk) 09:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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Marriage in New Zealand

Kia ora. I'm glad you've started a Marriage in New Zealand article. When I was writing the Polygamy in New Zealand article, I remember being surprised that we didn't have an overall marriage one. It's not a bad start, but of course could use some fleshing out. It's good that you've included marriage stats, and would probably make a decent section of its own. Also useful would be sections on History, Wedding ceremonies and Divorce. I had a bit of a look-around: a couple of good examples would be Marriage in Japan and the giant Marriage in the United States. There's also an article in Te Ara called "Marriage and Partnering" that would probably be a good guide (or an external link), too. Nice work in getting it started. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree that there is heaps of room for expansion. I will use the Te Ara page as an ext link. I don't really like using Te Ara as a direct reference. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Untitled

Dear Mr Alan Liefting I am writing to you about the Wikipedia article Amram Aburbeh, I translated it into English from the Hebrew original Wikipedia value , i also added explanation in English to Hebrew words terminology as Footnotes at the end of the article. If you have additional question or comment please write to my e mail. sincerely Carmel Avivi-Green — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.195.119.49 (talk) 05:06, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

It is currently being discussed for deletion but it is likely to be kept. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amram Aburabeh for the discussion. You can add you comments there. Regards. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

About Modification in my Home Town.

Respected sir,

              Why Are you Removed my Town which was Added by me on Annur block Image ,Annur Busstand Image in Annur wiki.

also you are changed the route compos in downstairs. Why are you doing like this kind of work what is the problem in there. how to rectify this problem.

with Regards,
Mymelody143(Prakash)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mymelody143 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 27 December 2012 (UTC) 

• The edits that I have made were to remove redlinked images (those that don't exist) and to fix the broken interlanguage links. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 17:57, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Strange new-article phenomenon

Based on our interaction on several recent Afd's, I thought you might be able to give me some insight into this.

I've noticed a surge of unattributed poorly-translated pages arriving here from the Hebrew Wikipedia: some machine-translated, some not; some almost perfect but with odd formatting issues—but all by different editors. Have you noticed> Do you have any idea what might be behind it?

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 19:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I did not think anything of it but now that you mention it I guess something may be happening. Is there a promotion of article creation by a group of people who speak Hebrew? Are the accounts sock or meatpuppets? Is it worthy of a deeper investigation?

• A case of sockpuppetry is not likely; there is a very broad range of English proficiency among the various article creators:

• Herzl family by Gigi2002 (talk · contribs) was, before retranslation, a terrible machine translation whose quality completely escaped its creator's notice. Besides for the unsightly translations of template code, Herzl's daughter Trude's name was consistently translated as "busy". Even the lead was completely unparsable.
  • Gigi2002 has just machine-translated another Hebrew Wikipedia article he:מבשרי הציונות to Precursors of Zionism. As it happens, there is already a high-quality translation of the same at Heralds of Zionism, so I {{db-a10}}'ed it.
• Pinhas Kopel's creator, פארוק (talk · contribs), probably knows English as well as Gigi2002, but seems to have had better luck with Google Translate—only one sentence and a phrase or two are badly mangled.
  • Have a look at User talk:פארוק, especially User talk:פארוק#Please stop your editing in other language wikipedia.; he/she has been reprimanded for mass machine-translation already.
• Amram Aburabia's creator, Carmel avivi-green (talk · contribs) has a reasonable command of English, if my impression is correct.

(IP-user/Carmel Avivi-Green above mentions the "original Wikipedia value". This is a common error among Hebrew speakers, even among those with a good working knowledge of English, that often perplexes native English speakers. ערך, Hebrew for "[encyclopedia/dictionary] entry", is also the Hebrew for "worth" or "value".)

From the general editorial behavior in each case, I think meatpuppets are also unlikely.

I do think Articles for Creation needs closer attention—on more than one occasion recently, an AfC article was nominated for deletion with obvious problems that should have kept it in incubation until they were resolved.

• I have another particular concern here: almost all of these articles are unattributed translations of the corresponding Hebrew articles.

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 04:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I am getting worried about Wikipedia as a whole. There is so much work to be done and at the same time we are loosing a lot of experienced editors. Have a read of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#Guys_won.27t_be_seeing_much_of_me_around.2C_either... for example. It seem Wikipedia is falling apart at the seams. This should not happen. We are all working to build a valuable resource. Or am I getting jaundiced by the stuff that I am working on at Category:Articles with missing files? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:47, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Here is another Hebrew language related editor: Hadassah.web (talk · contribs). This person has only recently created an account. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

First of all—please cheer up! I think the 2012 phenomenon has gotten to you...

Second of all—here comes another one! Menny Rabinovich, by Jacobrubinovitz (talk · contribs), found at AfD. Most of the article is comprehensible, but the section on his work in writing encyclopedia "values" (i.e. entries) has a sentence turned to gibberish: the original listed the volumes in said encyclopedia in which his contributions appear, numbered in Hebrew numerals which are well known to bamboozle machine translation.

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 05:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

So we have at least five editors, all who have created an account recently, that are related by language and are causing disruptive editing. I think it needs a wider investigation but I am not sure how or where. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 05:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Bicholim conflict

I apologize for not informing you about the AfD for Bicholim conflict. Because your only edit was a relatively minor one, I didn't expect you would have particular interest in the article. But yours was the most recent edit, so I should have included you in my notifications. Best, --ShelfSkewed Talk 05:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Do not remove the paper

Hi! Do not remove the nosratollah khakian paper. The paper is reliable and well-known and reputable sources and references. Thanks2.185.199.212 (talk) 09:06, 29 December 2012 (UTC)