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:The execution process itself takes a compartively short period of time, true, but it's the single most important event in the overall process, and it's what a condemed prisoner spends all that time trying to avoid through appeals. There have also recently been several high profile clemency petitions (including several which were granted) that highlight the importance of that role in the process. Finally, if you want to talk about other countries, in China the judiciary is even less involved than in the U.S., with appeals taking a matter of months and being significantly less elaborate than here. |
:The execution process itself takes a compartively short period of time, true, but it's the single most important event in the overall process, and it's what a condemed prisoner spends all that time trying to avoid through appeals. There have also recently been several high profile clemency petitions (including several which were granted) that highlight the importance of that role in the process. Finally, if you want to talk about other countries, in China the judiciary is even less involved than in the U.S., with appeals taking a matter of months and being significantly less elaborate than here. |
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:A section on each branches individual roles would likely be more appropriate on the page for each particular nation. I'd be happy to work on writing such a section, but I don't think it would work well within the confines of the page as it exists.[[User:JCO312|JCO312]] 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC) |
:A section on each branches individual roles would likely be more appropriate on the page for each particular nation. I'd be happy to work on writing such a section, but I don't think it would work well within the confines of the page as it exists.[[User:JCO312|JCO312]] 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Well I'm sure in this section on the role of each branch, we could write something which encompasses most DP states, something like this: |
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"In most DP states, the executive grants clemency, pardons and can stay the execution; the legislative makes the DP legal; and the judiciary imposes the death sentence and sometimes stays executions." |
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Of course, we would have to elaborate a whole lot more, I just summarised what I thought was important. Then we could write in each of the page of each particular nation to be more precise about the exact process, as you suggested. |
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[[User:GreatKing|GreatKing]] 21:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC) |
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How about, instead of changing the first phrase or paragraph (let's call it Mission Impossible 4), we write a section on the roles that each of the three branches have in Death Penalty process?
Also about "imposed by the State", could we possibly change that to "approved by the State" or "used by the State". I believe that imposed is slightly misleading (not that you intetionally want to be).
Another thing: before, you wanted to use "Government", instead of State. I will have to oppose you if you do (but it seems as though you have changed your mind) because "Government" is even more misleading. In certain countries, when you refer to Government (ex: France, Australia, UK or New Zealand) you are actually refering to the equivalent of the "Administration" (in the US) and not the "three branches of Government".
About whether police officers, nurses, etc. are members of, apart of or belong to any branch, I gave the example of France, which does not consider its employees to be apart of any of the three branches, according to one of my teachers, who studied political science in France. Even though France is no longer a rententionist nation, I have very little doubt that even the executioner was not apart of, a member of, or did not belong to the executive branch.
Even though, in the US, police officers, executioners etc. are apart/members of/belong to the executive, you have to concede that their job (the job of executing someone) is done within about an hour (it doesn't take 100 years to kill someone), that's why I believe their role is relatively small, and so is that of the executive (even though most officials involved in the process, in the USA, are apart of the executive: that's my position.
GreatKing 13:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- It no longer uses the word "imposed" at all. The current edit says the following,
- Capital Punishment, or the death penalty, is the execution of a convicted criminal by the State as punishment for crimes known as capital crimes or capital offenses
- It would make even less sense to mention the judiciary in that sentence, as no member of the judiciary is involved at all in the actual execution.
- As far as France, I have no doubt that the employees we've mentioned, whether they are "considered" members of a branch or not, function exactly in the same way that they do in nearly every other nation, i.e., reporting to one branch, being hired by that branch, paid by that branch, etc. De facto or not, they remain under a particular branch of the government.
- The execution process itself takes a compartively short period of time, true, but it's the single most important event in the overall process, and it's what a condemed prisoner spends all that time trying to avoid through appeals. There have also recently been several high profile clemency petitions (including several which were granted) that highlight the importance of that role in the process. Finally, if you want to talk about other countries, in China the judiciary is even less involved than in the U.S., with appeals taking a matter of months and being significantly less elaborate than here.
- A section on each branches individual roles would likely be more appropriate on the page for each particular nation. I'd be happy to work on writing such a section, but I don't think it would work well within the confines of the page as it exists.JCO312 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm sure in this section on the role of each branch, we could write something which encompasses most DP states, something like this:
"In most DP states, the executive grants clemency, pardons and can stay the execution; the legislative makes the DP legal; and the judiciary imposes the death sentence and sometimes stays executions."
Of course, we would have to elaborate a whole lot more, I just summarised what I thought was important. Then we could write in each of the page of each particular nation to be more precise about the exact process, as you suggested.