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Please, take into consideration this discussion. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 16:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Romanic poetic forms?

"In 1830, Prešeren's old high school friend Matija Čop returned to Ljubljana and re-established contacts with Prešeren. Čop soon recognized his friend's poetic talent and persuaded him to adopt Romanic poetic forms."

Was this meant to be Romantic poetic forms? --Eleassar ^{my talk} 07:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs reorganization

The article needs reorganization: the lead should be lengthened and the overlap between the 'Biography' and 'Work' sections should be resolved as much as possible. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 10:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prešeren's nationality

Was Prešeren a Slovene or a Carniolan poet? In my opinion, he was of Carniolan nationality. Per WP:OPENPARA, the lead section should primarily specify the nationality. Per [1], the Slovene nationality formed only gradually in the 19th century, particularly since 1848. Prešeren published his poems in Krajnska čbelica and talked about Carniola and Carniolans: "Dežela Kranjska nima lepšga kraja...", "Se Kranjc tam košati..." etc. See also [2] (M. Juvan (2011). Čop in Prešeren ali transfer svetovne književnosti na Kranjsko. Pg. 4): "spričo spodbud Kopitarja, Šafárika, Prešerna in drugih izobraženih Kranjcev" [due to the encouragement by Kopitar, Šafárik, Prešeren and other educated Carniolans]. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 10:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But did he not use "Carniolan" to refer to the same ethnic group as "Slovenian" would later? There seems to be no question in Slovenia whether he was a Slovenian or not, besides yours I haven't found any sources citing him as a Carniolan. He is also refered to as a Slovenian on the Slovenian Wikipedia and is featured in famous Slovenians collage on Slovenes page. 109.182.86.77 (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:OPENPARA, we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [3], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157). For the collage, see Talk:Slovenes - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik). --Eleassar ^{my talk} 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photograph?!

Per [4], it is not a photograph, but a depiction based on photographs of Prešeren's relatives and on testimonies. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 14:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 Was Prešeren a Slovene or a Carniolan poet? In my opinion, he was of Carniolan nationality. Per [[WP:OPENPARA]], the lead section should primarily specify the nationality. Per [http://www.academia.edu/2279400/Je_bil_proces_formiranja_slovenskega_naroda_v_19._stoletju_res_zgolj_koncni_nasledek_tisocletne_slovenske_kontinuitete_Was_the_19th-Century_Process_of_the_For-_mation_of_the_Slovene_Nation_Truly_a_Mere_Continuation_of_the_Millenary_Slovene_Con-_tinuity], the Slovene nationality formed only gradually in the 19th century, particularly since 1848. Prešeren published his poems in ''Krajnska čbelica'' and talked about Carniola and Carniolans: "Dežela Kranjska nima lepšga kraja...", "Se Kranjc tam košati..." etc. See also [http://isllv.zrc-sazu.si/sites/default/files/Juvan_Cop_ref1.pdf] (M. Juvan (2011). ''Čop in Prešeren ali transfer svetovne književnosti na Kranjsko''. Pg. 4): "spričo spodbud Kopitarja, Šafárika, Prešerna in drugih izobraženih Kranjcev" [due to the encouragement by Kopitar, Šafárik, Prešeren and other educated Carniolans]. --[[User:Eleassar|Eleassar]] <sup>[[User talk:Eleassar|my talk]]</sup> 10:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 :But did he not use "Carniolan" to refer to the same ethnic group as "Slovenian" would later? There seems to be no question in Slovenia whether he was a Slovenian or not, besides yours I haven't found any sources citing him as a Carniolan. He is also refered to as a Slovenian on the Slovenian Wikipedia and is featured in famous Slovenians collage on [[Slovenes]] page. [[Special:Contributions/109.182.86.77|109.182.86.77]] ([[User talk:109.182.86.77|talk]]) 18:30, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
-::For the collage, see [[Talk:Slovenes]] - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik). Per [[WP:OPENPARA]], we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [http://www.sistory.si/publikacije/prenos/?urn=SISTORY:ID:1587#page=154], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157). --[[User:Eleassar|Eleassar]] <sup>[[User talk:Eleassar|my talk]]</sup> 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
+::Per [[WP:OPENPARA]], we report the nationality in the lead: "the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident", which was Carniolan. Ethnicity could also be reported, but I don't see a consensus about when the Slovene nation formed (see [http://www.sistory.si/publikacije/prenos/?urn=SISTORY:ID:1587#page=154], pg. 154 and particularly pg. 157). For the collage, see [[Talk:Slovenes]] - you'll see that the decision was made to include people no matter whether they were Slovenes or Carniolans (e.g. also Valvasor, whom I've later replaced with Vodnik).  --[[User:Eleassar|Eleassar]] <sup>[[User talk:Eleassar|my talk]]</sup> 19:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 ==Photograph?!==