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February 19

Incorrect information

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you about the following URL -

St. Martinus University Faculty of Medicine

The History is incorrect. We have corrected it several times but someone changes it every time we fix it. Please contact me via email or via phone to discuss this matter. Our contact information is on our website - http://www.martinus.edu

I want your attention in this matter as this information hurts our business. Please help us out here as we can not afford Wikipedia to ruin the name of our business.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.153.133.82 (talk) 01:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The edits that were added by User:Caribmd1 were promotional in tone, so they were reverted. Also, if you or the other editors are affiliated with the school, you need to read the guidance at WP:COI before making more edits. RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is going to contact you by email or phone: interaction is here only. If there is incorrect unsourced information, it may be removed, but information to be added must be non-promotional in tone, and verified by reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 12:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OP's edits are here. The history being incorrect seems to relate to that St. Martinus University was was not founded by John Daryanani and that St. Martinus changed ownership in October 2010 rather than reopened under new ownership in October 2010. The John Daryanani information was unsourced, so I removed it. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do I find an edit that corresponds to an edit number?

Sometimes in a page history, the summary will say something like "Undid revision 538965000 by user xyz". But, the page history doesn't show version numbers, only time and date and editor name. If I know the revision number, how do I find which edit in the history that corresponds to? I can see the diff, but that doesn't show me when the original change was made. Is there a way to see the page history with version numbers included? RudolfRed (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know a tool to help but here are two manual methods to find the edit. 1) Your browser can probably search for the user name on the page with Ctrl+F. Or just look manually. Hover over the timestamp of revisions by that user. Your browser will probably show the url somewhere, for example near the bottom of the window. The url ends with the revision number. If the user has multiple edits then you can also look for one which changed the page size by the same number of bytes with opposite sign (see Wikipedia:Added or removed characters). 2) Click a random diff. The url in the browser address bar should end with something like &diff=536935949&oldid=536934926. Manually (use copy-paste in your browser) replace this with &diff=538965000 (the revision number). Delete the oldid part. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Use the oldid parameter. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=538964944, for example, will bring up revision 538964944 of Wikipedia:Help_desk. At the top of the resulting page is a box showing the editing user and timestamp. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tips.

Resolved

RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Add a logo / picture

I had created "Singapore Indian Artistes Association", a non-profit arts organisation in Singapore. But Im stuck in going any further in getting the page fully done like most pages I had seen in Wikipedia and to load a logo on the right side of the page. The tutorials I read didint help me much ... please help. Advance thanks. Kevin Raja — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin raja (talk • contribs) 03:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry about the logo just yet. The article has some more fundamental problems which will need to be addressed if it is to avoid deletion. 1. It does not not cite a single reliable source that demonstrates that the organisation is not able as described at WP:ORG. 2. It reads a lot like an advertisement. 3. Was the text copied from somewhere else, maybe the organisation's website?--ukexpat (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Roushar

I grew up next door to Dan Roushar, New Orleans Saints Running Backs coach, and he was born 9/27 1960 or 1961 not March 1968 as your website says. He graduated from Clinton High School, Clinton,Iowa in 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.14.122 (talk) 03:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like 1960. Researching... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery redirects

My Dog Has Fleas

I encountered "My dog has fleas instrument" as a crossword puzzle clue, with the answer "uke." Fine, okay, what's that about? I searched for "My Dog Has Fleas" in Wikipedia, and got a redirect to "Ukulele." But that doesn't really tell me a darn thing. Shouldn't there be a Wiki standard requiring an entry on the page to explain the redirect? Here's more info, by the way (I see that some of this is reflected in Talk, but shouldn't there be a Wiki standard?)

From http://www.ukeschool.com/ukulele/tuning/my_dog_has_fleas.html:

You may have heard the phrase My Dog Has Fleas about ukulele tuning. It's a little song, or phrase, that can help you tune your ukulele really quickly! Pluck each of the strings, unfretted, starting with the "G", and sing a word of that phrase to the note each string makes. (G)My (C)Dog (E)Has (A)Fleas! Try this little song every time you've become satisfied that your uke is reasonably in tune - it will become "stuck" in your mind. Sing it out loud, get it more stuck.

So, when you're out trying to tune your ukulele in the real world, you can use the "My Dog Has Fleas" song as a shortcut when you feel that your uke could use a bit of tuning. Let the song "play" in your head - and pluck each of the strings in the order that should produce the little song. Before long, you will be able to get a fair idea of which string is out of tune - because it won't fit with the little song in your head! It's nice to be able to just re-tune the string that's gone out of tune, and using the "My Dog Has Fleas" song as a "reference" can really help you figure out which one to tune, fast!

(Cross-posted at [Talk:Ukulele]) -- Jo3sampl (talk) 04:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note the history of the redirect; it began as a redirect to Banjo before arriving at its current target. In general, we expect the connexion between redirects and their targets to be easily understood — either they should be obvious (for example: redirects from spelling errors such as Untied States, different punctuations like George W Bush, or diacritics like Pokemon), or the article should mention the alternate name. It looks like you've made a decent case for a deletion nomination. Nyttend (talk) 05:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Or for updating the Ukulele article to mention the term "My Dog Has Fleas". -Thibbs (talk) 13:25, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've bumped into this several times before. Based on these replies and my own brief search, I conclude that there's no Wiki standard that applies. Still seems to me that there should be such a guideline. -- Jo3sampl (talk)

Помощь

Long posting in Russian

Здраствуйте. Мне очень нужна Ваша помощь. Меня зовут Оксана я родилась 19 июля 1978 года. Начну с того что я сама с Казахстана,где родилась и выросла. Воспитывала нас одна мать, нас в семье трое девочек, я старшая. Само сабой мать вечно была уставшая не до нас. Она работала с чужими детьми так будто они ее дети, а нас она по моему ненавидила и готова была прибить. Я стала уходить из дома и мать меня отправила в училище для несовершеннолетних, там я провела 2 года. Когда подашел срок ехать домой к этому времяни все изменилось в стране, в городе, но жить с матерью я по прежнему не хотела и не могла (она стала выпивать частенько) .Приехав домой я устроилась работать на стройку, потом одаптировавшись и узнав от знакомой что на яхту в обласную администрацию требуеться официантка я устроилась туда. Через время познакомилась с человеком который посодействовал тому что бы я устроилась на работу стюардесой. Поступила в институт, но посмотрев что все делаеться за взятки, а не по уму я от туда ушла, (документы и по сегодняшний день находяться там).Вышла замуж за Росиянина и уехала в Россию, город Краснодар, работала как прокаженная на трех работах, а муж бездельник еще и погуливал. Развелась и уехала в Казахстан уже беременной на третьем месяце. Родила дочь. С 2005 года я стала заниматься рекрутингом подбором персонала для семей которые нуждаются в нянях, домработницах, сиделках. Но едва сводила концы с концами и открыла еще парикмахерские курсы. Преподователей наняла. обучались мой учащиеся и я с ними за одно. Выпустила три группы по 10 человек. И сама освоила эту профессию. Взяла в аренду маленькую парикмахерскую там принимала людей и практиковалась зарабатывая при этом. Рекрутингом так же по немногу занималась, но присматривала чем же еще можно заработать на жизнь. И стала заниматься проведением детских мероприятий. Наняла для этого людей изготовила костюмы и пристпила к работе. Все вроде бы понемногу по крупицам складывалось. Копила на первоночальный взнос что бы взять в кредит квартиру. Накопила 30% взяла, машину 1996 года старенькую Тайоту взяла с мужчиной познакомилась, но сразу его предупредила что дома сидеть не смогу мне надо работать и если он хочет домашнюю женщину которая булочки будет печь и его ублажать то я не такая. Я твердо знала что мой удел пахать что бы дать дочери хорошее образование. Разрывалась вообщем я между работой , детским садиком, гимнастикой и танцевальным(куда водила свою дочь). Приэтом не забывала каждый год благотворительные мероприятия устраивать. В 2012 году пригласила я к нам в город ледовое шоу с Москвы. Хотелось хорошее сделать. Один концерт полностью благотворительный был для детей из детских домов нашего города. А остальные по билетам которые я думала разлетяться быстро. Но все СМИ стали твердить о конце света, а мои мероприятия приходились именно на эти дни 21,22,23 декабря 2012 года. Вообщем что бы провести эти мероприятия я продала квартиру,машину и осталась по уши в долгах, но это не беда все зарабатываеться и работы я не боюсь. Просто теперь конечно сложнее с тремя детьми на съёмной квартире без машины и без денег, но я справлюсь. А вот теперь о главном я приглашала ледовое шоу для того что бы и народ посмотел и реакцию народа на такие шоу программы посмотреть, заработать конечно хотела и для того чтобы работу профессионалов посмотреть из нутри самой. Я хочу создать в Театр сцены и льда. Образования у меня специального нет но у меня есть опыт накопленный годами.И я хотела бы дать людям возсожность у которых нет денег обучаться и ребятам из детских домов, обучаться и работать в театре. Гастролировать и достойно зарабатывать. Вообщем я все рассказала о себе и о своих планах.Если Вы псчитаете что я не достойна помощи значит так оно и есть, а если кто то откликнется на мою просьбу о помощи ведь мне нужно 300.000$ на создание труппы и приобретение инвентаря и чере год мы сможем гастролировать у меня и преподователи есть желающие работать со мной. но НЕТ ДЕНЕГ. И если Вы поможете дорогие люди Мир станет немножечко добрее и детки будут счастливее. Мы будем тоже заниматься благотворительностью. Ведь это я уже делала не смотря на то что сама не богота)) Моя электронная почта <email redacted> я скину Вам свои реквизиты. Спасибо и храни Вас Бог!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.134.25.60 (talk) 06:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure in what language you've written. But I think you're from Kazakhstan. And seeing you writing I think you're trying to write an article. But this is help desk. Here we solve problems about editing. You can go to the WP:AFC for this.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 06:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand correctly, you are asking for help with a personal problem. Unfortunately that is not a kind of help the Help desk offers. Sorry —teb728 t c 07:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah for the first time I understood wrong. Now I know what're you trying to say. But really this is not the place what're you asking for. We answer questions about editing here. Good luck. Hope you can fulfill you dream.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 07:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it,[1] OP is asking for $300,000 to train kids at an orphanage to perform in a traveling ice skating show. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

LIVERPOOL AIRPORT

Bristol Britannia G-ANCF which is preserved outside the Old Terminal Building at Speke is owned by The Britannia Aircraft Preservation Trust ( BAPT )and has nothing to do with The Jetstream Club ( now renamed Speke Airport Historical Group ). Details of the aircraft and the BAPT can be found on our website www.Bristol-Britannia.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.1.97.2 (talk) 10:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've shifted your comment here. Hopefully some of the regulars at that page will be able to help you out. -Thibbs (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Centring table text

Hey, how can i centre the text of an entire column in the first table here without adding | align="center" | to every cell? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 12:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if that would be possible. What if you added {{yes}} to the numbers that you want to have centred? It would correspond with your use of {{no}} and {{TBA}}, and it appears to include a command to centre the text. Nyttend (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was in the process of removing the "yes" templates since i don't think they're necessary any more. I can always centre the rows manually - I just thought there might be a simpler way. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 13:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On image in a different WP

Hi,

I'm trying to port this article from the italian WP over to the english WP but I'm having troubles with some images that can't be linked. This is the list of said images:

What can I do to make them correctly display here? Is this a copyright issue? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 12:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most of them appear to be marked as "Nonfree copyrighted, and used with permission". However, that doesn't explain File:Gum25atlas.jpg, which is PD-USGov-NASA. Nyttend (talk) 12:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, but those images can't be used because they have only been uploaded to the Italian Wikipedia, not to the English Wikipedia. Those files can only be used at the Italian Wikipedia. You can only use files which have been uploaded to English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons here at the English Wikipedia. Sincerely. --Ushau97 ^{talk contribs} 13:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

English Wikipedia can link to images in commons.wikimedia.org. If they are Nonfree copyrighted, they probably would have to meet WP:NFCC and also be uploaded directly into English Wikipedia. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 13:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it had to be something with the files not being uploaded to Wikimedia. I've asked the original uploader permission to re-use the files here. I'll wait to see what he says about it. Thanks everybody, cheers. Gaba p (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what the Italian Wikipedia is doing, but we can only use files that bear a free license compatible with ours or are PD. We can't use images by permission for our use only. Having permission may be boot and suspenders to a fair use claim but a full fair use claim would be needed anyway, so getting permission for our use only, while they retain a license that is incompatible with ours, is fairly worthless.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So what are you saying Fuhghettaboutit? I can't use the images even if the original uploader uploads them to Wikimedia? Gaba p (talk) 13:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The copyrighted images cannot be used on EN Wikipedia, as they clearly violate WP:NFCC#1. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't the original uploader get a similar copyright license to use them in the EN WP? (sorry for all these questions, I still don't really grasp all the subtleties of copyright and such) Gaba p (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how the Italian project does it; but here in the EN WP, we do not accept any kind of "permission to use in Wikipedia only" license. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, AFAIK you can't use any of them here except as fair use and I agree with Toshio that they would not qualify under the first NFCC criterion. Whether the original uploader uploads them here or you do is neither here nor there since the non-free copyright license is retained by the owners. You can always ask for a second opinion at WP:MCQ.---Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see the OTRS ticket for these files and I don't know whether the ticket permits use on EN Wikipedia or not. If not, then the images cannot be used on Wikipedia under any circumstances. The images need to be released under a free license or in the public domain to be usable at EN Wikipedia. Sometimes images can be used under a fair use claim. Such images, however, need to comply with our non-free content policy, which these images never can, because they will always fail the first of the non-free cotent criteria. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, the original uploader has left a message in my talk page[2] saying something about an "OTRS ticket" (no idea what that is) He mentions that "under specific cases, not free images could be uploaded in local wikipedia (in this case, en.wp). Altough an OTRS ticket should be valid for any version of wikipedia, specific cases may have to be discussed in the local wiki in wich you want to use it". What do you guys say? Is there a chance I could use those images over here? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 14:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you not follow the link that he gave you, to meta:OTRS#Permissions? That page explains what OTRS is. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I had missed that. I read that article now but I'm still not sure if anything can be done regarding the use of these images here. According to the uploader there is an OTRS ticket concerning those images that should be valid here too. He also directed me to EDP policy which apparently is what permits it.wp to host those files. He's not sure the same applies here though. What should my next step be? Should I contact a specific team to sort this out? Regards. Gaba p (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, I am an OTRS agent, and I looked at the ticket for Vela R2. I haven't reviewed it in detail, but I don't believe it would be acceptable for En wiki, and I'll be surprised if it is acceptable to it wiki. However, it is four years old, and we are a bit tighter today that we were then. I can't look into this thoroughly now, but I'll ask.

FTR, there is a OTRS noticeboard for questions like this.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 15:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ticket To Purgatory

It will be 69 yrs this July 6, 1944 when Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey circus fire happened in Hartford, Conn. I am in the process of updating the above story as in my career as a musician, actor, builder, writer, etc. I have run into other people who was at the fire or know some one who thinks they know some thing about the fire. I was 11 yrs old and went to the fire with my uncle, Milt Shaw who was Chief of Police in our home town of Farmington. I would like to know if you can use this true story as i will be sending it out this spring once it is ready to newspapers. Magizines, to keep this story alive. Even Inside Edition needs to update it. Please advise me on this or who to send it to . Thanks Forrest Draper <redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.31.185 (talk) 13:11, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Forrest. Whilst your story of the fire sounds interesting, Wikipedia is not the place to publish new information or research. If one or more of the newpapers that you send your information to subsequently publish the story, we can use that as a source to create or amend an article, but until your account is published in a reliable source, Wikipedia cannot make use of it. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article on the incident at Hartford_circus_fire, one of the very notable events in Hartford history. Your account cannot be directly used here, you should arrange to have it published, then you or others can use it to improve the existing article. We are not a publisher of primary or even secondary material, we are a tertiary source, and reference mostly secondary sources published elsewhere, which yours will be.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 13:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Van Horn High School(Missouri) vs Van Horn High School(Texas)

Van Horn, Texas there possibly a few off the right path? see the site it helps to get the error in the ways. Any one see a problem here? take a look at the base page for it on Facebook here, Van Horn High School. It has Van Horn, Texas by location, but it actually an Independence, Missouri article. In doing so, the real Van Horn High School Texas is not the right one as seen by location misleading is what they show for VHHS in searches by location, I grew up in the Texas school. know a few from the Missouri school (falcons) who don't get it either, Van Horn High School Texas (eagles) please correct, Van Horn Texas school is here. http://www.ccaisd.net/ Van Horn High School Texas on Facebook a alumni page(eaglesruletheskies) many of my friends are mislead to Missouri under the disguise of Texas. School is in 2 places according to 1 page. cut and pasted from the page it came up as on Facebook for VHHS, and your main pages is set differently but shows the same incorrect info. Isolate Missouri to there page and Texas to Texas, so all those living in Texas and listing Missouri will get it. but same as Missouri to Texas school, not! no option, see.please repair. thks for your time. D Van Horn High School Van Horn High School is a comprehensive high school located at 1109 Arlington in Independence, Missouri, United States. It is part of the Independence School District. School Background Van Horn opened in 1955 and the first class graduated in 1956. Van Horn was named the first "A+ designated school" of the Kansas City, M...Continue Reading From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia • Edit on Wikipedia I can't figure the edit changes page stuff, if it can be corrected someone please do it. 108.244.88.44 (talk) 13:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a Wikipedia problem, this is a (fairly common) Facebook problem. You need to complain to them, as Wikipedia has nothing to do with their errors. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How to deal with this contradictory information?

Resolved

– I will investigate this further at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Library figures and depending on the outcome of that maybe correct any wrong numbers. Thanks for the replies. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 16:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article National Library of China says that NLC is the largest library in Asia and there are three citations for this claim which all look relatively reliable. Yet according to List of largest libraries, both the National Diet Library and the Grand People's Study House are larger. Is there a way to resolve this? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

if the reliable 3rd party sources say one and they say the other wikipedia has to say both and refernee to both, wikipedia does not make the deicison on which is larger only what the sources say as long as there reliable. i had similar problem on another article where the reliable 3rd party sources said two copletel oppisite ends of the spectrum and it psychical impossiable to be both but the article meantions both in teh context of the reference it not for wikipedia to decide, sorry my head to sore to spell checkAndrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 15:07, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The official page of the NLC here numbers the collection at 28,979,203 items, so if the numbers for the National Diet Library and the Grand People's Study House in List of largest libraries are correct (which I haven't confirmed yet), then the claim that the NLC is the largest in Asia is clearly incorrect. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Without looking at the specifics, I think the usual approach is to acknowledge the differences in the text, e.g "according to source X, Location a is the largest, while according to source Y, location B is the largest." --SPhilbrick (Talk) 15:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)There are a few ways to handle this situation. First of all, Andrewcrawford is right that presenting both contradictory facts is often a good way to proceed if both claims are sourced by RSes of equal quality and strength. But the article usually must point out the contradiction and discuss it (e.g. "Official sources differ on which is the biggest X. Although the Department of Y claims that it is Z,[source] The Department of W claims that it is V.[source]"). This puts it in proper context unlike e.g. "The biggest X is Z[source] or V[source]". Another way to handle this requires the use of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Here the sources will be carefully analyzed by multiple independent editors on the talk page and a consensus will be formed regarding which is the correct fact. The incorrect fact can then be removed as according to the consensus. This requires an in-depth examination of the sources and a reasoned explanation for why one source is trusted and the other isn't. This can help to avoid problems where one otherwise reliable source makes a typo or mathematical error, etc. (i.e. an oversight, minor mistake, or mistake unrelated to the RS's field of expertise, but not an evaluative error). But this is a weaker solution as consensus can change and new editors can always challenge the removal of the previously determined incorrect info. -Thibbs (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also it should be noted that local consensus can never subvert broader consensus or the guidelines or policies of Wikipedia. It only allows limited editorial discretion. -Thibbs (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to analyze it further at User:Toshio Yamaguchi/Library figures. I found that the source provided for the Grand People's Study House doesn't actually contain the cited figure (at least I couldn't find it). The information in the article on the North Korean library merely says that "the building can house up to 30 million books", so there seems to be room to improve some things. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 16:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Annie Shepherd Swan

I think your information on the birthplace of annie Shephed Swan is wrong. According to Mildred Robertson Nicoll who edited the Letters of Annie S. Swan, she was born in Edinburgh, see page 2. This is an easy mistake to make as Annie in her autobiography,My Life, refers to her early life at Mountskip and it is natural to assume that she was born there. soon after her birth her father moved to the farm of Temple Hill near Coldingham in Berwickshire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.133.65 (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I tracked down a source ([3]) that refers to Mountkip. Do you have more details of Ms Nicoll's publication that refers to Edinburgh so that we can verify that?--ukexpat (talk) 16:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This source notes that the Discover Scottish Writers series published by the Scottish Library Association identifies Swan as being born in Edinburgh. I opened an article talk page discussion here. I suspect that she was born in Mountskip since some people born in less well known locations use the nearest big city/place as their birth location. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting Change: Uncle Tom's Cabin Listing on Museums Page

RE: Requesting changes to list of Museums in Maryland web page: List of museums in Maryland

Changes/Edits needed Since the name changed to Josiah Henson, it will need to be placed in proper alphabetical order in the chart and the entry with the Uncle Tom’s Cabin (Riley House) should be removed.

Name: Josiah Henson Park [change name.]

Locations: North Bethesda [change location name and link: North Bethesda, Maryland

Area of Study: African American [change name]

Summary: [change description and link] The park is located on the old Isaac Riley Farm where Reverend Josiah Henson lived and worked as a slave from 1795 to 1830. His 1849 autobiography inspired Harriet Beecher Stowe's landmark novel, “Uncle Tom's Cabin”. [Website. (link = http://www.josiahhensonsite.org)]

Regards,

Lafate Smith Web & New Media Specialist Montgomery Parks <phone # redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.76.119.130 (talk) 16:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jllm06 made the change here. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin Wheeldon article

Good afternoon,

The following article was recently altered to contain false information: Gavin Wheeldon.

The article states that Gavin founded thebigword (1st paragraph in the Business career section)when in fact he merely worked for them.

Please see below for a reference: http://www.whoislog.info/profile/gavin-wheeldon.html

Please can this be removed at your earliest convenience?

Lexicon456 (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid that http://www.whoislog.info/profile/gavin-wheeldon.html is no good as a reference as it appears to be a mirror of an earlier version of the Wikipedia article.--ukexpat (talk) 16:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the disputed content as I looked at the source material (after requesting access through WP:RX) and verification failed. Not only wasn't the company named, but he was named the founder of an entirely different company. He may have only worked there, or he may have founded it as stated, but the citation provided no corroboration either way.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Saving Edits

I have attempted to update my information on Glenn Cameron. I clicked on "Edit", added the updated information and clicked on the "Save" button at the bottom of the screen however the changes I have made do not appear. How do I properly save the changes?

CameronGlenn (talk) 16:55, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Glenn Cameron[reply]

I see your edit in this diff. If you are not seeing it, please try bypassing your cache.--ukexpat (talk) 17:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please also be aware that just as in legal practice, conflict of interest rules apply at Wikipedia as well. Making unduly self-serving edits may result in the blocking of your account. Please familiarize yourself with the linked rules. -Thibbs (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

please delete my birthday

Dear Wikipedia, i am the subject of miya ando biographical page. I would like the page deleted, especially the date of birth. I am trying to protect my privacy. please help. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.78.166 (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You were told what to do on your talk page (User talk:66.108.78.166) on 15 December 2012 and again on 23 December 2012.

Also, there is no birthday on the Miya Ando page.

Also see: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Miya Ando

--Guy Macon (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is no date of birth in the article, but there was some time ago. The contributions for Newyorkartcollector2010 (talk · contribs) could be relevant here. Astronaut (talk) 17:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When does a non-fiction book "summary" become too long?

I'm currently in the process of writing an article for the book Before the Dawn: Recovering the Lost History of Our Ancestors, and attempting to summarise its 314 pages. I'm only superficially covering the main points of each chapter and have decided to condense the book's twelve chapters into five sections. However, the first section (which covers chapters one to three) has already grown to four paragraphs. Assuming I give the other sections a similar treatment of three or four paragraphs, the summary might end up being 16–20 paragraphs long. I want to adequately summarise the book, though, and I don't think I could do that in under ten paragraphs. How long is too long? Hayden120 (talk) 17:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure that it is necessary or appropriate to provide a detailed summary of every chapter. Wikipedia isn't Cliff Notes after all. There is some guidance at Wikipedia:BOOKS and if you need additional advice, you should ask on that WikiProject's talk page.--ukexpat (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll ask the question there. Hayden120 (talk) 17:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you are writing for a Wikipedia article, you should find reliable sources that are independent of the Before the Dawn book and summarize what those independent sources write the 314 pages of Before the Dawn. In other words, rather than looking directly at the Before the Dawn book and using your own judgment as a Wikipedia editor, you should be using the judgment of the independent reliable sources to determine what is and is not important enough from the Before the Dawn book to include in the Wikipedia article. Editors with different/better/worse judgment than your own can come along change your summary based on their own different/better/worse judgment whereas the information from the independent reliable sources are fixed in time. Using independent reliable sources also will help you keep the length of the Wikipedia article in check. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have never seen a book summary written according to independent sources. The book summary is simply what the book says, and I have summarised that in eight paragraphs. None of my personal opinions are invested into it. If anyone changes the summary based on their own judgement, they would be deviating from the content of the book. There are also balanced background and reception sections which are based on reliable, independent sources. Cheers, Hayden120 (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mahatma Gandhi's name is misspelled in Wikipedia.

There is a Wiki page entitled "Mahatma Ghandi". The correct way to spell his name is "Gandhi". The reason that I noticed this is because I made the exact same mistake in the past.

Merci encore,

David Vardy Dartmouth, Nova Scotia Canada, eh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.174.205 (talk) 19:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have an article titled Mahatma Ghandi; that page is a redirect to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, precisely because it's such a common misspelling. Deor (talk) 19:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiosity, why did you think "Mahatma Ghandi" was the name of the page? The page history of the redirect shows that many others have thought this and added complaints.[4] I have never seen a redirect with a single such comment, and this has five. All were added while the page was a working redirect and people shouldn't land on the page unless they click a special type of link like http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mahatma_Ghandi&redirect=no. I wonder whether such a link is somewhere on a popular Internet page. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, some mirrors of Wikipedia have edit links like http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mahatma_Ghandi&action=edit. This would enable people not knowing how Wikipedia works to edit the redirect page instead of following the redirect to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. Maybe a mirror is displaying a copy of the real article on a page with heading "Mahatma Ghandi", and an edit link to Wikipedia's redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation help

We don't have an article about a 2006 German film called NimmerMeer which was released in the UK and US as "Nevermore". [5] However, we already have a Nevermore (film) article about a 2008 US movie. I was thinking of creating a stub but din't know what to call it. Help! Alansplodge (talk) 19:15, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermore (2006 film) for instance. Ruslik_Zero 19:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed so, as per Alansplodge's addition of the redlink to Nevermore (disambiguation).--ukexpat (talk) 19:59, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That was a stab in the dark - I thought I ought to check here first. Alansplodge (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:2DABS seems to cover this situation. The Nevermore (film) article could be moved to Nevermore (2006 English film) and the the few articles which link there can easily be manually redirected. Nevermore (film) could be deleted, could become a redirect to Nevermore (disambiguation), could become a disambiguation page, and/or WP:DABLINKS could be placed in the two film articles (making it a disambiguation redirect seems preferable to me, with disambiguation being done by Nevermore (disambiguation). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 21:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure "English film" is really helpful - it's actually American. Whatabout if I go for "Nevermore (2006 film)" and rename the other one ""Nevermore (2008 film)", redirecting "Nevermore (film)" to the "Nevermore (disambiguation)" page? Alansplodge (talk) 01:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My new article

Hi there, I'm going to create a Wikipedia Article for a new Secondary School in my area. Its a Church of England school so would I put that in the article name? thesimsmania 20:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By analogy with Magnus Church of England School and Waddesdon Church of England School I would say yes, it is OK.--ukexpat (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hide/Spoiler Tags?

Wikipedia doesn't use hide/spoiler tags to diminish the size of articles with a lot of information.Why? as an example the jazz page has so many ramifications that could use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.22.212.119 (talk) 22:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does Wikipedia:Spoiler help?--SPhilbrick (Talk) 22:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In some cases, hiding text to diminish the size of articles won't allow article content to be accessible on devices that do not support JavaScript or CSS. See MOS:SCROLL. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As a general rule we prefer to WP:Split articles that grow too long. Selectively hiding some content can be confusing to readers. Roger (talk) 12:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding a company page - concerns.

Hi Wikipedia Admin/Support,

I have emailed (info-en@wikimedia.org) regarding my concerns with MYOB (company) and I am one of the editors from the company. Having no intention to gain any advantage I am happy to roll back any changes that are deemed as promotional.

Kind Regards, -Sanjay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.34.100.2 (talk) 22:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have just taken an axe to the article and chopped out a lot of unsourced stuff, promotional content and marketing-speak. In view of your conflict of interest, please use the article's talk page to request any further changes, providing reliable, third party sources to support them. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP address. I have made an effort at a quick cleanup of promotion on the page as well. Senra flagged this discussion to me, because I have previously offered to help any PR person who asks for it; meaning that I will provide more detailed advice, feedback and instructions to anyone willing to make the time commitment to learn how to contribute here constructively in a marketing role.

If you would like to take a second stab at the article that is more compliant with Wikipeida's rules, please register a username and contact me on my Talk page. So long as you are willing to make the time-commitment to learn, I would be willing to spend the time to teach the appropriate way to contribute as a marketing professional. CorporateM (Talk) 03:10, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

February 20

Rohita Union

Rohita Union:is an Union under Manirampur Upazila of Jessore District in the Division of Khulna, Bangladesh.Rohita is number one union in Manirampur Upazila.Rohita is a digital Union.

Political history: The chairman of the Union council is Md.Mizanur Rahman

Educational institutes: There are several educational institutions:

High Schools: Palashi Secondary School,Rohita Secondary School,Koadlapara Dakhil Madrasa. College: Palashi Degree College

Others institutes: Grameen Bank, Rohita Health complex,

Notable personalities: Village Rohita: Ex. Chairman; Rohita Union Council: Left Amzad Hossain Village Bagdob: CEO; Satkhira District Council: A.N Ahammad Ali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.131.13.5 (talk) 07:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced information about Rohita Union can be added to the Manirampur Upazila article. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New article in sandbox

I have written an article which is in my sandbox but as I am not an 'auto confirmed' user, I cannot make it 'live'. Please help me make it live. I have tried to move it to the wikipedia section but it says that the title is blacklisted. Please help me resolve this issue. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkkbagh (talk • contribs) 07:31, 20 February 2013‎

I see that the content of your sandbox is not in English. This is the English Wikipedia. If you wish to write an article in another language I suggest that you go to the Wikipedia in the relevant language and ask there. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:01, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If this is about Abdul Quader Molla,[6] we have an article at Abdul Quader Molla. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Thai Wikipedia is at http://th.wikipedia.org. JohnCD (talk) 12:50, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Or to use an interlanguage link th:Main Page.--ukexpat (talk) 15:15, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citing plaques

Resolved

Do we have a citation template to cite something like a commemorative plaque or information plaque (for example of a monument or memorial)? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 10:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

{{Cite sign}} is probably what you need. Chamal ^T•C 11:05, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, that looks very good. Thank you. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 11:49, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help:CS1 gives an oveview of each Citation Style 1 template. --— Gadget850 (Ed)^talk 12:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Gadget. I added a link to that to my userpage for future reference. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Posting on Wiki

Please how do i post contents on Wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IB1207 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Community portal provides links to pages where you can learn to expand short articles, update pages with new information, etc. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 12:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought OP was asking a more basic question - how do I edit. If that is the question, then we have a number of places where the process is explained:

Overriding var expandCaption = 'show'; in MediaWiki:Common.js

Is it possible to override var expandCaption = 'show'; in MediaWiki:Common.js and provide another value instead of show in a specific location where I use a template using that function? Ideally, I would like to be able to pass a name to a template as a parameter that would rename the link, i.e. that I can define a parameter {{{1}}} in the template markup for renaming the link. Specifically, what I want to have is that the link labeled show below the third image at this page says something other than show. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting question - months

Hello,

I have a question about the dts template. In User:Tomcat7/Sandbox28, in the last table, how do I change July 1876 to July/August 1876, so that it sorts correctly and displays the result correctly? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 14:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just a suggestion, but why not put it like {{dts|1876|July}}/{{dts|1876|August}}? This would bring the row to the end of the July group in ascending order and to the top in descending order. It will always sort using the first date. Have to say I'm not sure if this goes against WP:MOS or some other guideline though. Chamal ^T•C 15:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata - Interwiki links

Just stumbled over a bot removing interwiki links because it is "now provided by Wikidata on some-sort-of-token". I confess that despite being a pretty frequent editor of WP, I'd never heard of Wikidata. So I've dug into it, and come to some sort of understanding. But what doesn't seem to be explained anywhere is what I am supposed to do if I create a new WP:EN article, and know that there is already an article in another language on the same subject.

I can see that if there are two or more previously existing language variants, then I can go to one of them and click on the edit links link under the languages heading, and then add my WP:EN article to the list. Is this what I am supposed to do?. Will this bring the other article up in a languages list on the article I've just created?.

But if there is only one previously existing language variant, it won't have a languages list or an edit link. Nor will the article I've just created. So how do I go about establishing the link?.

Can you point me at any answers? -- chris_j_wood (talk) 14:59, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had the same question a week or so ago and asked if there is a "Wikidata for dummies" explanation somewhere, but there is apparently not, yet. There are some automated tools available at Wikidata that make the creation of records there from existing Wikipedia articles a little easier, so that's how I have been doing it.--ukexpat (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To create the first link in the chain, you would go to Wikidata and create a new page, linking it to yours and any others in existence. (You could also just create an old-style interwiki, then convert it using a script or just leave it.) The relevant help page is WP:WDATA, though that's likely to be incomplete at present. - Jarry1250 ^{[Vacation needed]} 15:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Wikidata, driven mainly by the German Wikipedia, has boldy gone ahead with an excellent idea without due and proper consultation on other Wiki's --Senra (talk) 15:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They could have told us about this. My initial reaction was that some bot had gone crazy and set off on a vandalism spree. Luckily, I thought it would be a good idea to check first what the bot was supposed to be doing. Astronaut (talk) 16:14, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

page Football records in Spain :

Hello ..

may you please take a look at football records in spain ,this page is containing various different records in Spanish football, the user : 83.36.24.36 keeps removing some of them because he believes they are not needed and if you took a look at what he adds or removes you can see he is doing that biasing since he is working hard to remove Barca records allowing only real records !! the 3 records i added are well referenced from the related club website and even classified clearly under national records even not just a club records !! so anything clearer than that even ?? how should someone opinion or even bunch of people opinion about it make a difference in that ?? its a clear case...the related club classified it as record , so if someone likes it or not it shouldn't stop being a record .

and since its referenced I can't see any reason to remove it .

the website : http://www.fcbarcelona.com/club/the-honours/detail/card/fc-barcelona-team-records

what is really weird...there is some records similar to those added ( like i added ) but he added them related to Real Madrid so obviously he doesn't have a clear measure in that.

Thank you . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:58D7:E52F:61CB:51A1 (talk) 16:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article has already been discussed in the talk of both the article and in Wiki:Footy. Cherry picked stats and stats from a club's own website are not to be put until there is consensus. please take what you have to the talk.49.244.173.62 (talk) 05:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

this guy is already lying..he is removing well referenced stats , and adding stats stating there is a consensus about while no one even ever talked about , and what im adding are clear stats! the fact he doesnt like it doesn't make it cheery , look at the stat Ronaldo scored fastest 100 goals by number of seasons !! ??!? there is by number of games...so how come now we are now counting them by seasons ! the guy who holds the records played more seasons due to shorter league !! but he scored in less games ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:A0A2:1EFE:E57C:DD88 (talk) 17:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a page for editors to get help with how to use Wikipedia. Your problem is not about how to use Wikipedia. It's a content dispute. The place to discuss this question is at the talk page of the article (click the "talk" button at the top of the page on the article you are concerned about) or at WT:FOOTY. -Thibbs (talk) 17:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification of WP:UPNOT

An editor asked if he could include a link to a blog on his user page. I told him to be wary of doing so per the policy stated in the title. However, I noticed that the policy stated "Excessive unrelated content". What is the definition of excessive in this regard? --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 16:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a link is content. If copy/paste from the blog was excessive then that would be another matter. This policy was tested recently when a renowned photographer left the commons after others complained that a link to his website and numerous links to awards and accolades were removed from his user space. I think most regret their actions and consensus decided to allow them. This all came too late though as his works won't be uploaded anymore.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So a link or two is fine, but copying and pasting whole paragraphs of text are not? Also, are there any other policies this user could run foul of by putting links in his user page? I ask because I don't want the user to get into trouble. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 22:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:LINKSPAM for some guidance. For example: "Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a website or a product is not allowed, and is considered to be spam." RudolfRed (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

edits

I would like to add additional information to an article. If I add a paragraph and notes, where on the page will they appear? Projmktg (talk) 16:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They will appear wherever you want them to appear. Take a look at Help:Editing for further assistance.--ukexpat (talk) 17:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also look at WP:REFB for how to use references to support your new additions. RudolfRed (talk) 18:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Or consider our editing tutorial. Try one or both of those editing help articles and then come back here if you have any further questions. Please be aware that anything you add to an article needs to be sourced (see citing sources) to reliable sources. Once again, come back here if our core policies or any of our many policies and guidelines cause you any difficulty. Good luck --Senra (talk) 18:35, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

L.A. Reid

Can someone please take a look at the Discography section of L.A. Reid. It's extremely long; I would estimate that there's about 200 listings. I'm not sure what the standard/proper way of displaying a section like that is (collapsing, mulitiple columns, a separate article, etc.?), but can someone who knows please edit it in whatever way is appropriate? Thanks! --76.189.111.199 (talk) 20:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think the best and standard course here is to split off the discography into a separate article. See Elvis Presley discography and The White Stripes discography for examples.--ukexpat (talk) 20:16, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Can someone who knows for sure what's best, and is familiar with the process, please make the appropriate edit? I'd prefer not to make an edit like this since I'm not well versed on it. Much appreciated. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I've moved the discography to L.A. Reid discography for size reasons. Someone can go through and format it correctly on their own time, based on the standard discography formats. --Jayron32 20:46, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jayron, thank you so much. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 20:57, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And as one might expect there is a WikiProject dedicated to discographies: WP:DISCOGRAPHY.--ukexpat (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PR Firm

Hi Wikipedia! Is there any problem with a company's PR Firm building the company's Wikipedia page for them? Thanks for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.79.149.226 (talk) 21:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes and no. It is strongly recommended that you don't edit the article directly but you are welcome to discuss changes on the talk page or in user space sandboxes. Someone will probably come along and link to our numerous COI, NPOV, etc, pages soon.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Also, any material added needs to come from a WP:reliable source. RudolfRed (talk) 22:40, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there. Am I able to assume that your company is Walek & Associates? Whether it is or not, I recommend you discuss this question with CorporateM (talk · contribs) who is a self-declared PR person. He would, I am sure, assist you or your own PR firm in writing an encyclopaedic article that meets Wikipedias core policies and any relevant policies and guidelines (including, in this case, WP:COI, WP:NPOV and WP:RS as mentioned above). CorporateM can be contacted on his talk-page. Good luck --Senra (talk) 23:04, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Canoe, it is not only appropriate, but also important, for editors at the help desk to provide links to guidelines that are clearly relevant to the questions being asked. The IP asked a very specific question and therefore should be given a very specific answer (in a friendly manner, of course) based on policies or guidelines. The ones courteously provided by Rudlof and Senra should be very helpful to the IP, as should more specific subsections such as WP:PE and WP:NOPR. And yes Senra, per Wikipedia's geolocation link, 160's IP address is registered to Walek & Associates.[7] --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@76.189.111.199: Erm. I was not that clever. I simply looked at the OP's recent history which contained edits to Walek & Associates but thank you for the geo-located confirmation :) --Senra (talk) 23:28, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, no problem. ;) By the way, initially I wasn't sure if the IP was asking the question because he was with Walek or because he was having a problem with another editor he thought was with Walek. That's why I wanted to check the geolocation. Have a great evening, Senra. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:31, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did answer the question specifically. I just put it in a nutshell for them. The IP asked if there is a problem and the only real problem is editing the articles directly. I do believe this is allowed for minor updates like number of employees, income figures, aquisitions/mergers, and Alexa ranks etc. Many COI editors request these on talk pages anyway just to avoid issues. --Canoe1967 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Canoe, you said to the IP, "Someone will probably come along and link to our numerous COI, NPOV, etc, pages soon". Although I'm not saying it was your intention, edtiors could easily infer from that comment that you were being sarcastic and feel it's inappropriate to provide such guidelines. Therefore, I just wanted to make the point that it's not only appropriate, but necessary. Particularly with an issue as complex and important as this one, it's extremely difficult to appropriately provide an answer "in a nutshell" and can't be done without including the relevant links, which are excellent education tools. That's why I'm very glad that Rudolf and Senra provided them. While it's certainly important to be friendly to editors asking questions, it's also vital that we direct them to any relevant information so they can have full context. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PR firms are stuck in a tough spot. Reputable firms usually have a "hands-off" policy, which is frustrating for clients that have a genuine Wikipedia-related problem. Smaller firms are more likely to take risks and edit articles, but rarely have the experience to do a decent job. There are only a couple PR firms with adequate in-house expertise to do decent work here.

Wikipedia doesn't offer much clarity on the issue, but the law sets a much higher bar for ethics. The FTC requires marketing pros to disclose our affiliation in online communications and a German court found that - in some circumstances - editing the article could be an illegal form of covert advertising, just like astroturfing any other crowdsourced site (like Amazon reviews). CorporateM (Talk) 05:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Paid editing and its clarity on Wikipedia: @Canoe's "Yes and No" answer is precise in this context. Over two-years ago, Wikipedian's attempted and failed to agree a Wikipedia:Paid editing (guideline) and a Wikipedia:Paid editing (policy). As far as I am aware, and as mentioned by @76.189.111.199 above, paid editing is only dealt with now as part of the conflict of interest guideline (WP:COI) in the paid editing section (WP:PE) which, in part, states "transparency and neutrality are key"—as also stated by CorporateM above. The same guideline (WP:COI), and again as mentioned by @76.189.111.199 above, addresses public relations staff (WP:NOPR) who are "very strongly discouraged from editing Wikipedia in areas where ... external relationships could reasonably be said to undermine [their] ability to remain neutral".
At the very real risk of obscuring the issue here, perhaps I should quote from the What Wikipedia is NOT policy or at least the specific part of that policy dealing with promotion:
Wikipedia is not Advertising. All information about companies and products are written in an objective and unbiased style. All article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources, so articles about very small "garage" or local companies are typically unacceptable. External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they identify notable organizations which are the topic of the article. Wikipedia neither endorses organizations nor runs affiliate programs. See also Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for guidelines on corporate notability. Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so.
— Wikipedia:NOTADVERTISING#ADVERTISING

--Senra (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can also see: User:CorporateM/How WP:COI would read if I wrote it#Marketing

In my opinion, it offers more clarity than WP:COI, but it represents my personal views only. CorporateM (Talk) 18:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jdsy

I was contacted yesterday about some things. I'm assuming I was a project. I was told I had some content to give tags of.... Meanwhile I just got here from Florida on Monday. I had a user name. I received unbelievable amounts of threats and hate mail. I couldn't even see why people were pissed at me.... It was very disturbing. So, today I try to sign on so that I can find out what is going on and I was deleted of merged or something of that nature.... My screen name was jdsy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.167.219 (talk) 23:52, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain with more specifics where you were, what messages you saw, regarding what pages, how you were contacted, what type of email you received, from whom? At first I thought you must be mistaking Wikipedia with another website but I do see that the user account jdsy was created yesterday. However, it never made a single edit, has no deleted edits, and no messages were ever left on its talk page. Also, we don't email new users with threats or with anything else. I also checked your global contributions but only see a single edit at the Simple English Wikipedia and no messages left for you there either.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

February 21

William C. Rader

I tried to contact you at the email address you have provided, info-en-vwikimedia.org, but it my email provider does not recognize that address. I hope someone can help me here. I have no idea how to make ammendments.

The information on Dr William C Rader has been drastically edited. This is about the 4th time Rader or his minions have changed information to portray him in a favorable light. <text removed> Please restore the original information that was on Wiki before it was edited. <text removed> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.22.250.198 (talk) 02:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The IP's post is essentially one giant BLP violation. I will leave it to an admin or more experienced editor to decide how to deal with all his comments/claims, which are completely unsourced and are full of personal attacks (remove, redact, etc.?). --76.189.111.199 (talk) 02:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, the article currently has two separate leads: the current one and the original one, which is now the History section. Coincidentally, the article was created four years ago today. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any answers about any emails that the OP might have received but a look at the articles edit history shows that it has been edited by a series of SPA's over the years. It is hard to say if they have any COI or have added any BLP violations to the article and I don't have the time or expertise to sift through everything so I started this thread Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#William C. Rader at the BLP project to see if anyone can find whether the article is legit or not. MarnetteD | Talk 03:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed much of the content of the post per WP:BLP. I will look at the article but this cannot remain here. Second, this thread and the one I answered above appear completely separate, not just by content but by comparison of writing stye. The clincher is that the IP addresses are a few hundred miles apart (one in NY and one in Maryland) so all indications are that this is an unrelated post without a section header, which I have provided.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for dealing with the BLP violations. And great eye on noticing the separate threads. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 04:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Medstudent213 gutted the article with this edit on January 17. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 04:17, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good spot. I have reverted to that version, though the article still bears all the hallmarks of a battle between sides, all disjointed with twenty cites for one fact and so on. Maybe someone should post to WP:NPOVN, or maybe WP:FTN is right for this?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thank you. I try. Haha. In the four years the article's been up, it's been essentially gutted many times. I'm not sure how many of those editors may be the same person. I agree with you about the reporting, but I'll leave that to editors far more experienced than me on issues like this. Perhaps someone like... um... you. :P --76.189.111.199 (talk) 05:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The email address shown at Wikipedia:Contact us is info-enwikimedia.org. The email address in your post here contains an extra "v". Is that the address you were trying to contact? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That may be the copy/paste issue brought up at commons and metawiki. Some pages don't allow the @ to be copied because of bots mining sites for email spam. It is fixed at commons after a big mess of many lost licence permissions and may need fixing on pages here as well. I think it was agreed that bot filters solve the issue. info-enwikimedia.org I just pasted from Wikipedia:Contact us with no @ showing up.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:18, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additions to an article

Hello there,

I'm trying to get some information added to the article on the Big Mac, located at Big Mac.

I listed the additional information on the Big Mac "Talk" page, along with referenced citations to support my additions. Yet it doesn't seem like anybody has reviewed nor added my additions to the main article yet.

How can I get these additions to appear in the main article?

Thanks, Scott — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotty321 (talk • contribs) 03:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Scotty. Your request didn't include an edit request template at the top of your comments, so I just added it for you. (The article is semi-protected.) I also moved your signature to the right place. You had it in the thread title (heading) instead of at the end of your comments. Also, you want to sign any comments you make anywhere on Wikipedia with four tildes (~~~~). See WP:SIGHOW. Good luck. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 03:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please forgive my interjection, @76.189.111.199, but "sign any comments you make anywhere on Wikipedia" could be misinterpreted as Jonathan Chaplin (talk · contribs) did in this edit to Roy Chaplin. Specifically, we do not sign edits we make to articles such as Big Mac but we do indeed sign any comments (as you say) to article talk-pages such as Talk:Big Mac. Once again, sorry for the interjection --Senra (talk) 12:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, I'm confident that most editors would understand what is my meant by "comments" (as opposed to edits in an article's mainspace). For the record, the term "comments" is not simply "as [I] say", but also as the guideline I included says ("At the end of your comments simply type four tildes"). But if you felt it necessary to interject your clarification and it makes you feel more comfortable, then I can certainly appreciate that. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 19:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article X of the Covenant of the League of Nations

Resolved

"Article X of the Covenant of the League of Nations: Republican opposition in the United States: Although US President Josh Zamorano had secured his proposal..."

Just who is "US President Josh Zamorano"? I he does indeed exist, this will have a major impact on every US law passed since the end of WWI and make Barack Obama the 45th President of the United States instead of the 44th. Do some constructive editing because of some 12 year old hacker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.54.212.186 (talk) 04:27, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An admin has fixed it. But be careful not to make edits like this in an article. Just make the fix instead. ;) Thanks. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 04:43, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image reuse help

I added these two images from plos papers to the wikimedia commons. I was not sure if all media in plos articles (unless stated otherwise) was CC-BY 2.5 by default. could some one with more exp check this out. Thanks. Staticd (talk) 12:06, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because your question invites the possibility that the images are not actually free, I have changed them from display into links.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking. I'll respond at your talk page.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 13:21, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I now think it is OK (see your talk for details) but the license should be changed from CC BY 2.5 to CC BY 3.0 US--SPhilbrick (Talk) 14:03, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Create corporate account or continuing using the original account (reputation etc.,)

Hello,

Thinking it would be a "one time thing" I used a personal account I created to edit our Wikipedia "corporate information" page. Now I have reputation there having made edits etc., and have run into a vandal we need to deal with.

Is it best to continue using my current account during this unfortunate situation or will a new account be alright to raise a complaint send warnings etc.,

I'm thinking I should keep the old one as that has the history of edits etc., and would have more "weight" if we have to lodge a complaint on that special complaints page. (after we warn the person)

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Rfrster (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First, please don't create a corporate account (see WP:CORPNAME).

Secondly, User:Orangemike is taking a hack (in the plant pruning sense) at Ontario College of Teachers. It appears that the majority of the edits by User:EllenWells are not appropriate. Please take a look at it in the current form.

Thirdly, it appears that you may also have a Conflict of Interest, if so, you may want to declare the fact on your user page.Naraht (talk) 13:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and sorry to see that you were rather hastily blocked by OM for your perfectly acceptable username, which you specify above is a personal account, and in no way appears to represent the Ontario College of Teachers.

As to your questions above: no, do not create another account to edit from as this is considered sock puppetry, except in some very specific situations (see Wikipedia:MULTIPLE)
and do not create an account that either uses the name of your organisation or implies shared use (see Wikipedia:CORPNAME and Wikipedia:NOSHARE)

Good luck! CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 14:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the block was a mistake on my part, and has been reverted. Please do see, though, my advice on your talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good, well that's all sorted then. Cheers! CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 15:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers and thank you! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rfrster (talk • contribs) 17:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This about the Vietnam page.

I noticed a small error on the page referring to Pro-Communist factions. The error is that the U.S.S.R. is not listed at all. What bothers me is that the U.S.S.R. was the Vietcong's main supplier and ally in this war so I am asking that you please change this as soon as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.39.22.222 (talk) 13:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please specify which page you are refering to. The USSR wasn't a faction per-se in Vietnam, but as you said, it was a supplier. If the list is of factions, then I don't think it should be listed. If it is of participants, there way be an appropriate way to refer to it.Naraht (talk) 14:00, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to guess what you are referring to. It doesn't appear to be the Vietnam page and the expression "Pro-Communist factions" doesn't appear in Wikipedia at all. Let me make a wild guess: Are you referring to "Communist forces" in the infobox in Vietnam War? Right below it says "Supported by:" and lists Soviet Union, a name for U.S.S.R. (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On WP:AFC

Say I have completed an article in my own user space and I want to make it go live. Should I always submit it to AfC or can I just create the new article and paste the contents? The AfC process can take more than a week while simply creating the new article takes no time. Is it somewhat mandatory for an article to go through AfC? Regards Gaba p (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No. AfC is only a requirement for editors who don't have accounts and thus can't create new articles on their own. It can also be a good tool for new editors who may need some extra help to prevent the hasty deletion of articles they've created due to problems like lack of sources, etc., but you've been here 3 years and I assume you know the rules for the most part. Definitely feel free to just BOLDly create the article. -Thibbs (talk) 15:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Thank you Thibbs! Regards Gaba p (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Note that you also might want to simply move the userspace article to its articlespace name. This preserves the history of your edits in creating it. -Thibbs (talk) 16:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will keep that in mind. Cheers and thanks again. Gaba p (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Page approval - HazelMerlino/Landmark Plc

Hi there,

I was hoping someone could have a look at my page that I have created to see if it meets the wiki article publishing criterias and will be accepted or if I need to change/alter things in order for it to be accepted? Creating User:HazelMerlino/Landmark Plc HazelMerlino (talk) 18:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You should post your request at Articles for Creation. The folks there will be able to review your work and perhaps point out areas where it needs improvement. Remember to leave a link to your page, by the way. -Thibbs (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Click the "Submit the page!" link and it will be added to the queue for review. You should be aware that the queue is backlogged and it will probably be at least a week before the volunteer reviewers get to it.--ukexpat (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Military Medal recipients

how would i find out what medals and for what my father recieved during his military career? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.77.1 (talk) 19:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What's your father's name? The Wikipedia Reference Desk is a good place to ask questions like this if you think that the information might be on Wikipedia, but if not then I think your best bet would be to contact your local Veterans Affairs group since they keep track of this kind of information and would be able to help you find the answer to this kind of question. If you need any further help please don't hesitate to ask me at my talk page. -Thibbs (talk) 03:42, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Article on Christopher More

I'd like to create an article on Sir Christopher More (b. in or before 1483, d. 1549), for whom there's an article in the online ODNB, but when I tried to create an article with the title Christopher More just now, I was advised at this link [8] that an earlier article with that title had been deleted. How can I determine whether the deleted article pertained to the Christopher More I'm interested in writing an article on? Or should I just ignore the fact that there was an earlier article which was deleted, and perhaps title the new article Christopher More (died 1549) so that the new article won't run into redirect problems? Any help with this would be appreciated. NinaGreen (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The earlier articles were someone of that name trying to post his CV. He was not so persistent as to get the title salted, so there is nothing to stop you creating your article at Christopher More. Good luck with it! Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was wrong, the title was salted (create-protected); but I have unsalted it, so you can go ahead. JohnCD (talk) 21:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that Sir Christopher More person is the father of William More (died 1600). I would use the William More article as a guide, especially as it appears that the Burke 1838 reference also includes information on Sir Christopher Moore. I very much agree that this article should be created. I think that any of the King's/Queen's Remembracer's of the Exchequer at that time are notable. I would suggest writing the article in your sandbox and then moving it when you've got it done. I'm not sure what Wikiprojects are suitable for help though. :( I don't think the died needs to be used since there doesn't appear to be another person with that spelling, but that's pretty minor. Naraht (talk) 21:25, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the help with this! NinaGreen (talk) 22:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, Christopher More (b. in or before 1483, d. 1549) is notable as he has an entry in the ODNB ("More, Sir Christopher". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/77080. (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)) which, incidentally, has some out-of-copyright material about his son at ODNB archive:More, SIR William (1520–1600). I hope that helps --Senra (talk) 22:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rats! I skip read @NinaGreen's post and missed the ODNB reference. Sorry. Still, you can use my {{cite ODNB}} to save you a little work with your article. Good luck --Senra (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Need info updated

I work for The Greene County Partnership, which is the chamber of commerce for Greeneville and Greene County, Tennessee. When our President noticed that most of your demographic and economic data for Greeneville was inaccurate, he became worried because Wikipedia is a common starting point for people looking to move here or business consultants looking to bring industry here. He asked if we could update this information, but after reading all your guidelines, I noticed that any changes I make could be deemed a "conflict of interest." We want to make sure that we follow your guidelines (I can tell from articles I just read on your site that this is a big issue), but it is very important that the correct information is presented.

The edits I was hoping to make were in the Demographic section and the Economic section. The demographics are old numbers, from the 2000 census, and if your policy is to only use census numbers then the 2010 census should be used. If you allow more current numbers, our database website (GreeneCountyProspector.com) can provide 2012 numbers (this is updated quarterly I believe). We would obviously prefer to use the 2012 numbers, but will completely understand if you need to use actual census info.

As far as the Economic section, there is much to be added. It only lists the three companies headquartered in Greeneville, which in itself is inaccurate because Greenbank has now been bought out by Capital Bank and is no longer headquartered in Greeneville. But the main issue is that there is much more going on with Greeneville's economy than you give us credit for and we would like a chance to have that information made available to the public. Although we do have a high unemployment rate (10.4 percent), we have had numerous industrial expansions over the past year (more than $40 million in capital investment) and have even announced two new major projects within the past two years (with a combined capital investment of more than $240 million). We also have a very active Tourism department that can provide you with economic impact numbers for various events that we hold in Greeneville. There is obviously too much information that needs to be added for me to list here, but the point I'm trying to make is that we have all the information that you might need and can be a valuable source if you will allow us to be. We are not trying to "fluff" or "put a positive spin" on Greeneville, we simply want the correct and current information presented.

I am listing the URLs for the Greeneville, Tennessee article and the Greene County, Tennessee article.

Greeneville, Tennessee

Greene County, Tennessee

I look forward to your response and hope that you might allow us to work with your editors to make certain the public has reliable information.

Thank you,

The Greene County Partnership 21:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)21:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)21:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)21:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)21:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)GreeneCountyPartnership (talk) 21:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously recognise the potential conflict of interest issue here. As I think you know, Wikipedia requires new material and additions or corrections to existing material to be cited to reliable sources. In this particular case, be WP:BOLD and make the census changes to the latest official census statistics (I think that is 2010?). If you made them to your own organisations statistics, your edits would be open to accusations of a conflict of interest; better to stay on the safe side of such issues. Your edits should remain neutral and therefore maintaining reliably sourced and up-to-date unemployment figures, however negative, would be good. Remember what Wikipedia is not: it is not a promotional tool. Good luck and ask here or on my talk-page if you need further help --Senra (talk) 21:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, your username may be in violation of our Wikipedia:Username policy and as a result, it may get blocked. If/when that happens, simply create a compliant user-name and post here so that we can maintain continuity of discussions --Senra (talk) 21:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Senra was implying this in the above comments, but just to be clear: you should make sure to include a citation to the material you are updating as well. So if you're changing demographic information to match the 2010 census then you have to include citations to the 2010 census. For more information on how to make citations, you can visit WP:CITE. -Thibbs (talk) 22:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Thibbs: Erm. He he. I thought that is what I said when I stated " Wikipedia requires new material and additions or corrections to existing material to be cited to reliable sources". Still, it never hurts to be clearer :) --Senra (talk) 22:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I must have missed that. Anyway I guess the takeaway message, GreeneCountyPartnership, is that the sourcing is the most important part of the whole matter. -Thibbs (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio loop

See Talk:3D printing last section for diffs. It seems the source paraphrased our wikipedia article and then a recent change copyied their sentence exactly. They probably got the bare facts from our article, did their own research and then corrected our facts. Will a simple paraphrase by us fix and cite them as source?--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If they're paraphrasing Wikipedia then they cannot be used as a reliable source. -Thibbs (talk) 22:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not really paraphrasing because it is a common sentence: "The term 3D printing was coined by..." etc. They seem to attribute it to the same person as an IP suggested on the talk page. Should we AGF that they did investigate and find the correct attribution? We could also state the source as making the claim and not us. The source does seem RS as an online engineering magaizine.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AGF doesn't apply outside of Wikipedian-to-Wikipedian interactions so it's not relevant here, but I understand the point you're making. One would certainly hope that an RS would at least double check the unsourced claims in Wikipedia. Then again, unless there's proof that they did I think it would be much better to find another source if possible. Violations of WP:CIRCULAR damage the credibility of both parties. This is really something that should be discussed on the talk page at 3D printing or at WP:RS/N, though. If the decision is made to retain the ref then it should be the result of a clear consensus and there is no need for us to rephrase our sentence. Since ours predates theirs there is no way that we are violating copyright. -Thibbs (talk) 22:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity, whatever the loop involved, we must never cite a source we have not read ourselves. By all means cite the online engineering magazine as a source providing it is WP:RS. If unsure, ask at WP:RSN --Senra (talk) 22:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It does look an awful lot like the source copied Wikipedia, though. If that's true it shouldn't be used even if it's an RS. My understanding of cases like this is that an RS can't whitewash unreliable info just because it's an RS. I'm not interested in getting involved in the matter, but I think it should definitely be discussed at talk and possibly at RS/N. -Thibbs (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. It reminds me of a credit I was short on to graduate from highschool. I went to the guidance consellor, the department head, and my homeroom teacher and said "it is alright with them if it is alright with you" to replace X extra credit with Y lacking credit. It worked well and they closed that loophole the following year.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:21, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, I've found peer reviewed articles by academics that have clearly copied Wikipedia. Dougweller (talk) 06:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia slang and memes?

I know there is WP:ABC, but is there a page that specifically addresses Wikipedia slang and memes? This might be helpful to some editors. I recently saw a post that read something like "It's quacking." While I personally know what this means, it isn't the sort of thing a random reader or editor might know about. Sławomir Biały (talk) 23:02, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's WP:GLOSSARY as well, but that doesn't cover quacking. -Thibbs (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Exactly what I was looking for. Sławomir Biały (talk) 23:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given that Wikipedia:Slang redirects to WP:GLOSSARY, though, I think that'll be your most likely source for this kind of info. I guess it may have to be updated. -Thibbs (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can often find something by entering it after WP: in the search box, for example WP:QUACK. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:30, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wiz Khalifa edit request

If anyone would be kind enough to handle this edit request it would be much appreciated. I am the edtior who requested protection for the article, so now I can't edit it. Haha. Thanks! --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks, FreeRange. :) --76.189.111.199 (talk) 07:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Creating New Article of Living Person

I would like to add an article of a living person who appears on a number of pages in reference, but does not have a page. Content concerning the person is inserted in other pages, but can be given more notable discussion on his own page. How does one decide of person if interests is relevant enough?Gray106 (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gray. The person needs to notable, which is a test used to decide if a subject is worthy of having its own article. See WP:NOTE and WP:PEOPLE. If it's an athlete, see WP:ATHLETE. Within WP:PEOPLE, there are subcategories for the person's field, such as entertainers, politicians, academics (professors, etc.), creative professionals (authors, filmmakers, artists, etc.), and criminals, etc. Each will lead you to more specific information and criteria to determine if the person may be notable. Hope this helps. If you want, feel free to tell us who the person is. Is it Stephen Xenakis? I noticed you made this edit in which you removed all of the content about him from Michael Welner. Be careful not to remove all the content about someone from an article solely because you think they may be notable enough to have their own article. Good luck! --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:35, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

February 22

Professional Developmental Football League

Has anyone done any research on the Professional Developmental Football League? This is a new professional league starting this spring which takes players from 10 teams across the country from Seattle to Miami and gets them into pro camps.

Do some research on this league and see if you think this will warrant a page on Wikepedia.

Thank you,

JJ Fayed Head Coach Utah Argos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.30.68.100 (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

JJ, thanks for writing about this. I found several reliable sources about the league from 2009 and 2010, and a few from this year. I also saw the league's website and Facebook. Good luck to the Argos (but please don't tell the other teams that I said that)! --76.189.111.199 (talk) 01:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

creation of templates

How do you create templates? Vegas30 (talk) 01:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of templates? See WP:TEMPLATE and WP:TM. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 01:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wesley Geer

Hello. I created the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Geer, and the photograph that I'd originally submitted with this article has been erased. I have re-submitted the photograph several times, but it continues to be erased. Can you please help me to understand why this is happening, and help me submit a photograph to my article that will stay, permanently?

Thank you,

-Jennifer Grutzmacher Jgooch5150Jennifer Grutzmacher 02:59, 22 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgooch5150 (talk • contribs)

Jennifer, you submitted Wes Geer, which was declined on August 28, 2012, because Wesley Geer was already created by Beatz2010 on September 4, 2010. But I see you've been editing Wesley Geer. I'm confused... are you both Jgooch5150 and Beatz2010? Because you said Wesley Geer is "my article". --76.189.111.199 (talk) 03:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The duplicate article at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Wes Geer used to display the photo File:WesLubbockApr2012.jpg, but this was deleted because its licensing information was incomplete - the Commons deletion log entry contains links to some pages that may be helpful. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for help re access

Hi,

I sent an email a few days ago and haven't heard from anyone. I assume you're busy, but just want to make sure my request wasn't lost somehow.

There is a page on me. I just did a television interview and the host asked a question that was based on a false premise. When I corrected it, she said, "Oh, you can't trust Wikipedia," or something close to that. That made me curious, so I went to the page and saw that there have been some changes in the information about me, largely updates. But a couple of things are wrong, so because I've corresponded with you folks in the past and found you very helpful, I thought I'd ask to be allowed to correct the few little things that are wrong.

Please let me know if I should be going about this in another way.

Thanks.

Mike Farrell

PS - Since you've suggested I not post my email address here, I won't, but will hope you can figure out how to get back to me.

Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.20.180 (talk) 03:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mike. Which Mike Farrell are you claiming to be? I assume you are Mike Farrell from M*A*S*H because you're writing from Kansas City, Kansas, and I read that he has been starring in play there. Also, to what address did you send your email? Thanks. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 03:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Mike, I have advised the biographies of living persons noticeboard and administrator Wifione of your message here. I'm sure that Wifione or one of the other great editors here or at the noticeboard will be happy to assist you. Feel free to post additional comments here or at either of the two other pages. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 04:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mike, I'd be happy to help, but I need to know what the problematic "fact" is. I have a guess, but it's only a guess. I can be emailed via this link (but I think you'd have to create an account to use it). Yworo (talk) 04:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, Yworo... he can't use that link to email you unless he creates an account. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 05:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Farrell did indeed contact us through OTRS, and I've asked that his email be handled by a volunteer to avoid inadvertent disclosure of personal information. That said, I also do not know at this point what the issue with the article is, if it's something minor and Mr. Farrell is comfortable with this venue then I see no problem. It's up to him. We are always concerned about privacy but at the same time we don't want to unnecessarily complicate things. I just want to make sure he knows that we did receive his message. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 05:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, FRF. He is Mike Farrell, correct? Yworo, unless I'm overlooking it I don't see where Mike mentioned anything about a "fact". I do see where he wrote that "a couple of things are wrong" and that he wants "to correct the few little things that are wrong". Thanks guys. Hopefully, Mike we be back to reply. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 05:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Farrell, you may edit your article. It is not against policy. As long as the content being removed is not accurate and you are not disruptive, edits by the subject are allowed.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:19, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should provide more clarity to Mike if he's going to edit the article himself, just to prevent any problems with the potential removal of reliably-sourced content. I don't want any editors who are unaware of this situation to give Mike a hard time considering they won't know who he is, whether he edits as an IP or creates an account. ;) But I'll bet the disputed content is not sourced, or poorly sourced. Mike, feel free to read our conflict of interest guidelines with regard to making any changes to your article yourself. (I assume that's you; no one's confirmed it yet.) In any case, it sounds like you would prefer to have others make your requested edits, which is not only fine, but very commendable. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 05:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Page hitting the template limit

The last few templates on List of cathedrals in the United States are not displaying -- I understand that's because the page uses so many templates that it hits the template limit, presumably due to the fact that the {{coord}} template is used to identify the location of every cathedral on the list. (Actually, the cathedrals in states beginning with T, U, V, and W, and U.S. territories don't have their coordinates shown yet, so the template will probably need to be called on even more in the future.)

What's the best way to deal with this situation in this particular case? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:28, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citations on linked pages

My question concern citations.

Myers Motors NmG makes the following claim: "The Myers Motors NmG (formerly the Corbin Sparrow)..." with a citation to [ http://www.electric-bikes.com/cars/ready.html#Myers ]

List of production battery electric vehicles#Microcars makes the same claim: "MM NmG, previously named Corbin Sparrow..."

(Both MM NmG and Corbin Sparrow are redirects to Myers Motors NmG.)

User:N2e tagged the above claim with a citation needed tag.[9] and when I removed it[10] reverted me[11], citing WP:CIRCULAR.

So, is the link to MM NmG, which has a citation supporting the claim sufficient, or does it need to be cited on List of production battery electric vehicles as well? If the second cite is not needed, what policy page should I quote in order to convince N2e of this? If it is needed, is this just for "list of" articles or does it apply to disambiguation pages as well? --Guy Macon (talk) 06:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:N2e is correct. Every article must comply with WP:V by itself. We cannot rely on a citation in article A to support an uncited claim in article B because article A is subject to editing (or even deletion) independently of article B. The simplest way to solve it would be to simply copy the cite - after you've verified that it does in fact support the claim. Roger (talk) 07:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Hi Guy. I don't understand why you removed the cn tag in List of production battery electric vehicles#Microcars. Because it was cited in the other article? Simply because a particular piece of content is cited in one article doesn't mean it doesn't need to be cited in other articles that contain the same content. It does. Just remember that we can never use Wikipedia as a source for itself. ;) Having said that, I don't doubt at all that the information on that website is correct, but whether it is considered a reliable source is a separate issue. 76.189.111.199 (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So we should CN tag every entry in List of armoured fighting vehicles by country? There is no citation for the Nahuel being a medium tank or for it being from the World War II era. And we should CN tag every entry in List of automobile manufacturers of France? There is no citation for ACMAT being founded in 1958. And every entry in List of cars with non-standard door designs? No citation for the Mercedes-Benz 300SL having gullwing doors. And we should CN tag every entry in List of Soviet computer systems? No citation for the MOS operating system being a Soviet clone of Unix in the 1980s. In fact, in list after list, I see many many entries with no citations other than the citations on the Wikipedia pages they link to. WP:V says that "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that people reading and editing the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." You can read the citation at the Mercedes-Benz 300SL article and check whether it has gullwing doors.[12] I don't see anything in WP:V that mandates another copy of the citation at List of cars with non-standard door designs. With all due respect, before I believe that all the entries on 90% of the lists on Wikipedia need to be tagged, I would like to see a policy page that directly addresses this question. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had an article rejected twice for lack of references. Article name ohlson38. . Unfortunaltey there aren't many more than what I provided. I added still more some 14 days ago but I had no response nor did I get any other form those who rejected the article. Would you please help what I can still do?

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	:::So we should CN tag every entry in [[List of armoured fighting vehicles by country]]? There is no citation for the [[Nahuel]] being a medium tank or for it being from the World War II era. And we should CN tag every entry in [[List of automobile manufacturers of France]]? There is no citation for [[ACMAT]] being founded in 1958. And every entry in [[List of cars with non-standard door designs]]? No citation for the [[Mercedes-Benz 300SL]] having gullwing doors. And we should CN tag every entry in [[List of Soviet computer systems]]? No citation for the MOS operating system being a Soviet clone of Unix in the 1980s. In fact, in list after list, I see many many entries with no citations other than the citations on the Wikipedia pages they link to. [[WP:V]] says that "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that people reading and editing the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." You can read the citation at the [[Mercedes-Benz 300SL]] article and check whether it has gullwing doors.[http://www.dieselstation.com/cars/mercedes-sl-300-gullwing-a749.html] I don't see anything in [[WP:V]] that mandates another copy of the citation at [[List of cars with non-standard door designs]]. With all due respect, before I believe that all the entries on 90% of the lists on Wikipedia need to be tagged, I would like to see a policy page that directly addresses this question. --[[User:Guy Macon\|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon\|talk]]) 09:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)		:::So we should CN tag every entry in [[List of armoured fighting vehicles by country]]? There is no citation for the [[Nahuel]] being a medium tank or for it being from the World War II era. And we should CN tag every entry in [[List of automobile manufacturers of France]]? There is no citation for [[ACMAT]] being founded in 1958. And every entry in [[List of cars with non-standard door designs]]? No citation for the [[Mercedes-Benz 300SL]] having gullwing doors. And we should CN tag every entry in [[List of Soviet computer systems]]? No citation for the MOS operating system being a Soviet clone of Unix in the 1980s. In fact, in list after list, I see many many entries with no citations other than the citations on the Wikipedia pages they link to. [[WP:V]] says that "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that people reading and editing the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." You can read the citation at the [[Mercedes-Benz 300SL]] article and check whether it has gullwing doors.[http://www.dieselstation.com/cars/mercedes-sl-300-gullwing-a749.html] I don't see anything in [[WP:V]] that mandates another copy of the citation at [[List of cars with non-standard door designs]]. With all due respect, before I believe that all the entries on 90% of the lists on Wikipedia need to be tagged, I would like to see a policy page that directly addresses this question. --[[User:Guy Macon\|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon\|talk]]) 09:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

			I had an article rejected twice for lack of references. Article name ohlson38. . Unfortunaltey there aren't many more than what I provided. I added still more some 14 days ago but I had no response nor did I get any other form those who rejected the article. Would you please help what I can still do?

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