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Belle (Disney)

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Nominator(s): Changedforbetter (talk) 02:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because I have spent a considerable amount of time working on it, gathering numerous sources of reliable information and editing its style and form. Feeling that Belle is one of Disney's most famous and recognizable animated characters, I believe that she deserves to have a featured article.Changedforbetter (talk) 02:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support The article is outstanding. I particularly like the block quotes. You have done an excellent job. DavidinNJ (talk) 03:33, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

• Gratitude Thank you very much. Please notify me of any improvements that can be made. --Changedforbetter (talk) 04:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

• Support - Well written, comprehensive, and surprisingly well sourced. As a complete non-expert on the topic, the article covers everything I can imagine ever wanting to know about the character. Fantastic work! Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

• Response I appreciate you saying that. I've spent a lot of time on the article.--Changedforbetter (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Drive by comments I'm not sure if I'll post a full review, but I have the following comments:

• Why is the 'Feminist criticism and analysis' section only referenced to online news articles? Presenting an article by a man in the sexist British tabloid The Sun (which still has page 3 girls) as being a significant work of feminist analysis seems questionable. Searching Google scholar shows that several academic articles have discussed this character, and this article is focused solely on her (though unfortunately the article is written in academic-speak!). Please consult these sources.

• Removed comments made by Jim Korkis of The Sun.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• Are you going to also look for other sources? Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I am currently in the process of looking for some reputable.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• There seems to be rather a lot of instances of people involved with this character being quoted as saying how good the character is and what a good job Disney did in developing it. This material seems unnecessary as it doesn't add much to the article, and these obviously aren't neutral sources of commentary.

• Can you provide me with one or two examples of this feat so that I have an idea of exactly what you're talking about?--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• Sure: "O'Hara was fairly confident in her audition, which she described as "one of those auditions where I felt like it was my part and I was going to get it.", "Despite the fact that Beauty and the Beast was her first major film role, O'Hara did not feel overwhelmed by the recording process because "[she] knew [she] had the experience to play [Belle]."", ""We didn't have to be alone, and I think that was very important," said O'Hara. "Disney had to spend a lot more money and time to do that, but it consequently developed the film and the relationship with Belle and Beast.", and so on. To the extent that there's useful material here, it can be briefly summarised without the fairly inconsequential quotes. Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright. I think I've taken care of most of these.--Changedforbetter (talk) 15:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• Why was O'Hara replaced?

• The source doesn't say exactly why. It does, however, say this: "They did a one-fell swoop of all the older princesses and decided to replace all of us". It is also the only reliable source I can find.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Belle is an official member of the Disney Princess line-up" - are there unofficial members? If not, I'd suggest changing this to something like 'Bell is part of the...'

• Removed. Changed to "Belle is a member of the Disney Princess line-up". The term "official" is just commonly used. --Changedforbetter (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• "where Belle and the park's guests would act out a popular story" - 'guests' seems like Disney PR gumpf (theme parks have 'visitors', not 'guests'), and what's meant by 'a popular story?'
• "On 2012, a new location at the Magic Kingdom called Be Our Guest Restaurant, which will include the castle from the film as well as her cottage, village, and Gaston's Tavern." - this sentence is unclear, seems to have a few missing words and covers something which apparently occurred in 2012 in future tense.
• "is recognized for being the youngest actress to play Belle on Broadway" - what is the significance of this, and who 'recognized' her?

• I agree. This is somewhat trivial and insignificant. Removed.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Belle has received predominantly positive reception from critics" - all the critics then quoted are totally positive. What are the negative viewpoints alluded to in this sentence?

• Changed to "Belle has received positive reception from critics". Will be changed if negative sources are found.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:26, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• What makes http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=16982599 a reliable source? Nick-D (talk) 01:31, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Question Would you be okay with moving this article from Belle (Disney) to Belle (Disney character)? That would more accurately follow the disambiguation rules for article titles. It would also match better with the sister article Beast (Disney character). And if you're amenable to the move, it can wait until after the FAC process has concluded to avoid any logistical problems while the nomination is still open. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments by Redtigerxyz

• Appearances:
  • Add years
  • Seems to cover only film appearances. Possibly a rename is needed
    • The appearances section only covers Belle's main appearances, meaning films and television series in which she appears as a central character. Some of Belle's more less significant appearances are included in summary in the "In other media" section.--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:47, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
      • This explanation seems inaccurate. Beauty and the Beast (musical) also has Belle as central character. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
        • Appearances section divided into subheadings, first listing Belle's main film appearances, followed by her television series. "In other media" section changed to "Other appearances", and includes "Disney parks" as its own subheading. Broadway section given its own heading.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I not so sure having 1-2 line/para sections is a new idea.
  • Why are the first two covered in so much detail, but the last 3 hardly any? Is that due to duration of film or importance?

Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:09, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

• Also, "in other media" implies that media not covered in Appearances, which is not true. TV series in both.
  • Title changed to "Other appearances", separating Belle's main appearances from those that are less significant.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
• "Belle appears at Walt Disney Parks and Resorts" is out of place in media.
  • Given its own subheading, "Disney parks", in the renamed "Other appearances" subheading.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
• Reorganization of text needed. By media/by appearances. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Film and television appearances listed first, followed by other appearances which mostly includes miscellaneous film and television appearances, including Disney parks, and Broadway is listed last.--Changedforbetter (talk) 19:41, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
    • May be rename to "Major Appearances" or similar.

Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comprehensiveness concerns:
  • Beauty and the Beast (video game): Many video games feature her, which is not covered
  • How is Disney's Belle similar to/different from the original Belle from Beauty and the Beast.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:17, 4 March 2013 (UTC)