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Veganism was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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July 18, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
October 14, 2007	Good article reassessment	Delisted
January 20, 2013	Good article nominee	Not listed

Current status: Delisted good article

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Frequently asked questions

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Q1: Why does the article distinguish between dietary and ethical vegans? Aren't ethical vegans the only true vegans?

The article makes the distinction because reliable sources make it. See Talk:Veganism/Sources for the dietary veganism distinction for a selection of sources. For example:

Brenda Davis, Vesanto Melina (2013):
"There are degrees of veganism. A pure vegetarian or dietary vegan is someone who consumes a vegan diet but doesn't lead a vegan lifestyle. Pure vegetarians may use animal products, support the use of animals in research, wear leather clothing, or have no objection to the exploitation of animals for entertainment. They are mostly motivated by personal health concerns rather than by ethical objections. Some may adopt a more vegan lifestyle as they are exposed to vegan philosophy."^[1]
A. Breeze Harper (2011):
"Practitioners of veganism abstain from animal consumption (dietary and non-dietary). However, the culture of veganism iself is not a monolith and is composed of many different subcultures and philosophies throughout the world, ranging from punk strict vegans for animals rights, to people who are dietary vegans for personal health reasons, to people who practice veganism for religious and spiritual reasons."^[2]
Associated Press (2011):
"Ethical vegans have a moral aversion to harming animals for human consumption ... though the term often is used to describe people who follow the diet, not the larger philosophy"^[3]
Gary Francione (2010):
"Although veganism may represent a matter of diet or lifestyle for some, ethical veganism is a profound moral and political commitment ..."^[4]
Robert Garner (2010):
"I have been a vegetarian all my adult life, and I am currently a dietary vegan, and I do not wear leather."^[5]
Layli Phillips (2010):
"While some vegans, for instance members of the Straight Edge community, demand unswerving commitment to vegan ideals and practices, many people practice some form of partial veganism. For instance, many vegans refrain from eating meat, dairy, and eggs, yet eat honey or wear leather. Other vegans shop vegan and eat vegan at home, but look the other way at a vegetarian restaurant for dishes that use a small amount of butter, cream, or cheese. ... You get the idea: for many people, veganism is a principle, not a law."^[6]
International Vegetarian Union (2000):
"Dietary Vegan: follows a vegan diet, but doesn't necessarily try and exclude non-food uses of animals."^[7]

References

^ Brenda Davis, Vesanto Melina, Becoming Vegan: Express Edition, Summertown: Book Publishing Company, 2013, 3.
^ A. Harper Breeze, "Going Beyond the Normative White 'Post-racial' Vegan Epistemology", in Psyche Williams Forson and Carole Counihan (eds.), Taking Food Public: Redefining Foodways in a Changing World, New York: Routledge, 2011, 158.
^ "Vegan Diets Become More Popular, More Mainstream". CBS News. Associated Press. 5 January 2011. Archived from the original on 1 March 2018. Retrieved 1 March 2018. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
^ Gary L. Francione, "The Abolition of Animal Exploitation" in Gary L. Francione and Robert Garner, The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition Or Regulation?, Columbia University Press, 2010, 62.
^ "A Discussion between Francione and Gardner", in Francione and Garner 2010, 257.
^ Layli Phillips, "Veganism and Ecowomanism", in A. Breeze Harper (ed.), Sistah Vegan: Black Female Vegans Speak on Food, Identity, Health, and Society, Brooklyn: Lantern Books, 2010, 11.
^ "Definitions", International Vegetarian Union, archived 29 September 2000.

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Davis and Regan

In "Debate about animals killed in crop harvesting", Steven Davis certainly seems to misunderstand and thus misrepresent Regan's position on minimizing harm to animals. In The Case for Animal Rights, beginning on p. 302, Regan devotes considerable space to explaining why he rejects what he calls the "minimize harm principle" (i.e., the utilitarian position that Davis attributes to him). So I propose deleting Davis's claim that Regan has a utilitarian position on this issue (Regan has frequently explained why his rights position is incompatible with utilitarianism), while retaining reference to Davis's claim that "a plant-based diet would kill more than one containing beef from grass-fed ruminants." Scales (talk) 20:32, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Dodgy citation

There is a citation [1] that is nearly all about vegetarianism. If it doesn't address veganism specifically, it can't be used to make claims about vegan diets, IRWolfie- (talk) 21:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Several studies use "vegetarian" to mean plant-based diet, i.e. strict vegetarian (as the text says). You have to read the study to know how they're using it, and when they don't specify they tend to mean plant-based diet. The one you removed seems to be about plant-based diets, given the point about low consumption of saturated fat. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:01, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't you kind of assuming? I wouldn't think it refers to veganism; vegetarians undoubtedly eat more vegetables on average than omnivores. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:45, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Brenda Davis, Vesanto Melina, Becoming Vegan: Express Edition, Summertown: Book Publishing Company, 2013, 3.

[2] A. Harper Breeze, "Going Beyond the Normative White 'Post-racial' Vegan Epistemology", in Psyche Williams Forson and Carole Counihan (eds.), Taking Food Public: Redefining Foodways in a Changing World, New York: Routledge, 2011, 158.

[3] "Vegan Diets Become More Popular, More Mainstream". CBS News. Associated Press. 5 January 2011. Archived from the original on 1 March 2018. Retrieved 1 March 2018. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[4] Gary L. Francione, "The Abolition of Animal Exploitation" in Gary L. Francione and Robert Garner, The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition Or Regulation?, Columbia University Press, 2010, 62.

[5] "A Discussion between Francione and Gardner", in Francione and Garner 2010, 257.

[6] Layli Phillips, "Veganism and Ecowomanism", in A. Breeze Harper (ed.), Sistah Vegan: Black Female Vegans Speak on Food, Identity, Health, and Society, Brooklyn: Lantern Books, 2010, 11.

[7] "Definitions", International Vegetarian Union, archived 29 September 2000.

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-I'd like to change the date format to day-month-year (17 December 2012) because it looks tidier (no commas). This is the sort of style issue we're meant to ask about before changing, so if anyone objects please let me know. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 19:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
-: I thought this was already the recommended format for WP. If not, it should be. Go for it. [[User:Kellen`|Kellen]]<sup>[[User_talk:Kellen`|T]]</sup> 20:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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 There is a citation [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Veganism&oldid=542680288#cite_note-disease-5] that is nearly all about vegetarianism. If it doesn't address veganism specifically, it can't be used to make claims about vegan diets, [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 21:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)