Talk:Alestorm

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Alestorm are a noted band on the UK Metal scene, having been covered by Reputable Major UK metal magazines.

They are also signed to a major European record label.

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It is not a POSSIBLE Debut album, it is set is stone, with release dates and being fully recorded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollins57 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I have it :) 123.100.107.152 (talk) 23:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Terror on the High Seas

I may be wrong, but was it not the song "Set Sail and Conqueur" that was included on the Metal Hammer CD? Jonnz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.131.179 (talk) 11:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Please stop changing the band's genre to "Pirate Metal." This is not a canonical subgenre. The band play power/folk metal with a pirate theme. 88.83.119.67 (talk) 14:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Themes can possibly constitute a genre, see black metal, viking metal, stoner metal, christian metal etc... --E tac (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Please note that black metal is primarily stylistically defined, so you can play music that's musically black metal but doesn't feature anti-Christian tendencies. Stoner metal is stylistically defined, too. Viking metal is a better example. But pirate metal is a NN genre, having too few bands, and no article of its own, so it doesn't make sense to insert a link saying "Pirate metal" and have it point to folk metal or whatever. The pirate theme is mentioned in the lead-in, that's enough. (Granted, Vikings were a sort of pirates, so perhaps Viking metal could be subsumed under pirate metal as a special case ...) Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I've changed the genre back to power/folk metal again. If the band's dumb little buddies could stop adding their side-splitting vandalism to the page that would be just great as well. Radagast1983 (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

How is Pirate Metal not stylistically defined? Listen to Alestorm, its much more than a theme. You could change all their lyrics to be about flowers and ponies and it would still sound like pirate metal. It is at least as stylistically defined as any of the aforementioned genres.I love this band.24.63.46.64 (talk) 22:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

what about bands like scuurvy, weird beard, running wild, swashbuckle and verbal deception? i would say thats enough for the genre to have its own article, as it is a pretty established genre and not just part of folk metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.124.115 (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a pretty simple solution: if Pirate Metal is a genre, create a Pirate Metal article, describing what this genre is. It's not exactly self-explanatory except to people that are familiar with movies depicting pirate shanties in the particular style that has become a pirate stereotype. Do the bands mentioned above all have similar style or just similar theme? I'd say that if the litmus test proposed by 24.63 passes for all the bands mentioned by 86.139, then it's enough to call it a genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.227.68 (talk) 19:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC) CHRIS BOWES IS A BEAST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is pretty simple guys. Wikipedia requires that you have sourced and verifiable information. It doesn't matter if you, me and everybody we know think Alestorm's music sounds piratey enough to be something completely different. Our opinions do not have a say in what is contained in wikipedia articles. If people can link several different sources that talk about pirate metal and what that means it can be listed as a genre. The point about making it a page is a very good one. If there is enough information on pirate metal that is sourcable to music professionals to create a wikipedia page it can be considered a genre. Until then it is just a casual way of characterizing the bands sound. Genres are not strictly sound characterizations as it is very difficult to describe a band that sounds black or death or power without a person having a previous understanding of what those genres are.--128.223.222.64 (talk) 00:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Pirate Metal is clearly not a genre, it's a theme. But I'm not at all convinced that Alestorm are 'folk metal' either. Firstly, they don't use traditional instruments. They're a standard rock band setup with a keyboard. Secondly, very few of their melodies or motifs are actually folk-inspired. They use a synth'd brass section far more often than they use the accordion or any other synth'd folk sound. From my perspective, they're just a folk-influenced power metal band. They don't actually sound anything like other folk metal bands, at all. Having an occasional accordion isn't enough to determine a genre. I'm not going to edit it but I strongly believe that this should be changed to Power Metal, with folk metal as a second or third genre on the list. My two pence. 82.30.173.42 (talk) 09:46, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree that they are much closer to power metal than they are folk metal (especially the European flavor of power metal), although there may be some momentum for creating a stub (at least) about pirate metal as this is how these guys are described in most media I've seen. And after all, it's the media and not Wikipedia that defines styles.Intothatdarkness (talk) 14:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. All the different bands that have been described as "pirate metal" sound completely different from each other, none of them even sound remotely alike or have any of the same musical influences. Therefore labeling them as "pirate metal" does no good to anybody because it doesn't refer even remotely to what they consist of musically. All it refers to in this case is the purely superficial use of lyrics and the odd accordion synth. 82.30.173.42 (talk) 16:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

So we ignore media designations and go with our own interpretation? I've seen "pirate metal" used in the Guardian and on any number of metal-specific web sites (with date ranges from 2007 up to today). But I guess wiki-logic trumps all that.Intothatdarkness (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

The media might determine that a band is "really good", but that doesn't mean that "really good" is now a genre and that every band that has been described as "really good" now sits within the genre of "really good". The media might describe a band that "all wear leather jackets", but that doesn't mean that "leather jacket metal" is now a genre. Just because the media describes a band as something doesn't make it a genre. It just makes it a description. The point is "pirate metal" does not connote what the MUSIC is, only how they dress up on stage and what the lyrics are. This can be shown by the fact that all of the different "pirate metal" bands have nothing in common musically. You might aswell make a "genre" for all the bands that wear hats on stage, and one for all the bands that jump up and down and have long hair, and all of the bands that take drugs recreationally. It's all superficial and is utterly useless. "Pirate metal" is only a description, it is not a genre and shouldn't be considered one.82.30.173.42 (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you should remember that things like death metal were initially defined based on their subject matter. Same goes for Gothic metal. But whatever.Intothatdarkness (talk) 13:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Initially that may have been largely so (like in the eighties, when there were basically only two genres to metal fans, namely regular heavy metal – including some that are retroactively defined as doom due to their slow tempo and psychedelic/symphonic influences – and the more "violent", "brutal", faster, hardcore-influenced stuff, which was variously called power, death, black, thrash, speed, extreme etc. metal, and is now generally described as speed or thrash metal), but nowadays there's a general idea around of what death metal and gothic metal are supposed to sound like, quite apart from lyrical themes, and most bands tend to stick to the formula more than bands in the past may have, when the situation was more muddled and bands would (perhaps) vary their sound more. It's not common to find albums nowadays that cross the stylistic lines and are all over the place, with songs that could be described as thrash, death, black, gothic, power, all on one album, although I'm not saying they don't exist. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Keelhauled

Does anyone know anything about the pirate style ship use in the keelhauled video? They also use a pirate ship in a lot of the promotional pictures. Where do you find something like that in the modern world? --81.153.252.241 (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Timeline?

This band has had so many line-up changes in its short history that I find them hard to follow. Could somebody add a timeline like in Angra (band)#Timeline? --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. Most of the timelines are approximations, but I think I got it somewhat right. 77.105.197.93 (talk) 09:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Gloryhammer

I've added Chris' new band to the "associated acts" in the infobox, but I'm not sure whether to put anything into the body of the article. Their album is out on March 29th, for those interested. www.gloryhammer.com IainP (talk) 12:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)