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I was just made aware of this tonight, since his wife told the story at Mizzou's (University of Missouri, Columbia) campus tonight. (thurs. sept 30, at 7pm) The reason for the killings is because he was after his wife. He had kidnapped their three children, and lost the trial for custody. He then decided to go after his wife. He proclaimed that he was innocent the whole time. The day of his execution hsi children asked to speak with him, but he never contacted them, and the execution went on that night. It was later revealed the reason he didn't speak to his children is for fear of being asked the question 'why?' because it would've broken him and the facade he put up to stay confident in his belief of his innocence would have crumbled.
I was just made aware of this tonight, since his wife told the story at Mizzou's (University of Missouri, Columbia) campus tonight. (thurs. sept 30, at 7pm) The reason for the killings is because he was after his wife. He had kidnapped their three children, and lost the trial for custody. He then decided to go after his wife. He proclaimed that he was innocent the whole time. The day of his execution hsi children asked to speak with him, but he never contacted them, and the execution went on that night. It was later revealed the reason he didn't speak to his children is for fear of being asked the question 'why?' because it would've broken him and the facade he put up to stay confident in his belief of his innocence would have crumbled.

== Misleadingly "Islamic" feel to article due to questionable source material ==

Regarding this sentence near the beginning of the article:
"Drawings by Malvo describe the murders as part of a "jihad" (Arabic for "struggle in the way of God")."

I think this is very misleading,
(1.) because the the style and some of the words expressed in the source material are scarily Islamophobic, and further sources are not given in that linked article to make it seem authentic
(2.) The article implies the drawings were made by John Muhammad's partner after the incident and while in prison. By not including these facts in the sentence AND putting it in the very beginning of the article, it gives John Muhammad too Islamic of a flavor that he didn't even claim to have or want, at least as far as I can tell from all the other information as well as what we have already proven to know on the talk page.

To keep the information we have in there now, it NEEDS a better source than the one provided. Notice my changes in the history that were revoked. I included a line that the information was subject to media biases, and it was removed basically saying that the fact that the source was biased is not information given by the source itself.. Okay, I understand... But let's find a better source about Malvo's drawings, until then I propose that the "jihad" reference be removed entirely, or, at the very VERY least, as supported in the reference, it should be mentioned that these drawings were supposedly found after the fact and not before, and this should be moved to elsewhere in the article. Otherwise, at it stands, it is very misleading. [[User:Sawyer207|Sawyer207]] ([[User talk:Sawyer207|talk]]) 03:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Merger proposal ==

I propose that [[John Allen Muhammed]] (J.A.M.) be merged into [[Beltway sniper attacks]]. The biography article of J.A.M. falls under [[WP:BLP1E]] & [[WP:PERP]]. J.A.M. is primarily notable for the series of events that are the subject of the article ''Beltway sniper attacks''. The size of ''Beltway sniper attacks'', is slightly greater than 50k, which is below the size that would require a [[WP:SUBARTICLE|sub-article]] per [[WP:LIMIT]]. The size of the J.A.M. article is slightly greater than 30k size; merging the J.A.M. article into the ''Beltway sniper attacks'' would not exceed the size prescribed in LIMIT.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 14:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Per [[WP:MERGE]], I am notifying the involved WikiProjects of these two articles of this proposal, and leaving this notification per [[WP:CANVASS#Appropriate notification]].--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 14:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because, due to the articles and books that focus on this person and/or his killing partner ([[Lee Boyd Malvo]]), there's a lot more that can be added to this article; such additions, because there's not much to state that wouldn't be more about the Beltway sniper attacks, would be analysis of Muhammad's thinking and behavior. Whether or not he fits the criteria of a [[serial killer]] or [[spree killer]] (or a even a combination of the two), which is touched on in the lead, is an example. And there's very likely a lot more to be written in such vein (thinking and behavior) about him and Lee Boyd Malvo in the future (yes, I know about [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]). To me, if a merge is desirable, it would be better to merge the John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo articles together (under the title '''John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo'''). Why not propose that the Lee Boyd Malvo article also be merged? [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 19:04, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
::I would support a merger of [[Lee Boyd Malvo]] as well per [[WP:BLP1E]] & [[WP:PERP]] to the [[Beltway sniper attacks]] article. As they are only the felons who have been convicted of the event which is the subject of the ''Beltway sniper attacks'', and they are primarily notable for the subject of that article, BLP1E and PERP apply to both. Both their articles can be summarized, and merged. If even after summarization, content is expanded, a Sub-article can be recreated with the name suggested by Flyer22.
::I will tag that article as well. Thanks for the idea.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 00:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I simply don't see what would be gained by merging the articles. If it works, don't fix it. Also, [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] makes good arguments against a merge. – [[User:Herzen|Herzen]] ([[User talk:Herzen|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. There are plenty of articles about murderers on Wikipedia, some much less prominent than Muhammad. See ''[[John William Byrd, Jr.]]''. [[User:Illegitimate Barrister|Illegitimate Barrister]] ([[User talk:Illegitimate Barrister|talk]]) 06:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
:Those articles may not follow the guideline [[WP:BLP1E]] and [[WP:PERP]] and might be good candidates for merger to the article of the event. Also [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST]] just because some articles don't follow relevant guidelines or essays, doesn't mean other articles shouldn't.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 20:08, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


== Malvo Shooting helped get us into the Iraq War... ==
== Malvo Shooting helped get us into the Iraq War... ==

Revision as of 02:08, 24 March 2013

Reason for killings

I was just made aware of this tonight, since his wife told the story at Mizzou's (University of Missouri, Columbia) campus tonight. (thurs. sept 30, at 7pm) The reason for the killings is because he was after his wife. He had kidnapped their three children, and lost the trial for custody. He then decided to go after his wife. He proclaimed that he was innocent the whole time. The day of his execution hsi children asked to speak with him, but he never contacted them, and the execution went on that night. It was later revealed the reason he didn't speak to his children is for fear of being asked the question 'why?' because it would've broken him and the facade he put up to stay confident in his belief of his innocence would have crumbled.

Malvo Shooting helped get us into the Iraq War...

The single biggest accidental effect of the Malvo shootings gets ignored by everybody. The Senate debate on whether to go to war took place at the same time. War was declared on October 11, 2002. The Malvo shooting spree dominated the headlines and pushed the war debate completely off the front page of most newspapers for the entire debate. The last chance to oppose the war was lost in a sea of headlines screaming "SNIPER !!!"

Malvo Shooting helped get us into the Iraq War...

The single biggest accidental effect of the Malvo shootings gets ignored by everybody. The Senate debate on whether to go to war took place at the same time. War was declared on October 11, 2002. The Malvo shooting spree dominated the headlines and pushed the war debate completely off the front page of most newspapers for the entire debate. The last chance to oppose the war was lost in a sea of headlines screaming "SNIPER !!!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.41.105 (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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