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*:::In no way is VH1 independent of an individual on a VH1 reality show, especially when [http://www.vh1.com/shows/love_and_hip_hop/season_2/cast_member.jhtml?personalityId=15088 this] is the reference in question. It exists solely to promote the show. The claim that this is an independent source is completely inconsistent with Wikipedia's standards on independent sources, so how exactly do you figure that this is an independent source? - [[User:SudoGhost|Sudo]][[User_talk:SudoGhost#top|Ghost]] 20:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC) |
*:::In no way is VH1 independent of an individual on a VH1 reality show, especially when [http://www.vh1.com/shows/love_and_hip_hop/season_2/cast_member.jhtml?personalityId=15088 this] is the reference in question. It exists solely to promote the show. The claim that this is an independent source is completely inconsistent with Wikipedia's standards on independent sources, so how exactly do you figure that this is an independent source? - [[User:SudoGhost|Sudo]][[User_talk:SudoGhost#top|Ghost]] 20:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*::::Somaya Reece is not VH1. Somaya Reece is not the CEO, president, or other officer of VH1. Somaya Reece is not VH1's publicist. Etc. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 20:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC) |
*::::Somaya Reece is not VH1. Somaya Reece is not the CEO, president, or other officer of VH1. Somaya Reece is not VH1's publicist. Etc. -- [[User:JHunterJ|JHunterJ]] ([[User talk:JHunterJ|talk]]) 20:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::*"Somaya Reece is not VH1" is a critical misunderstanding of independence; VH1 has a vested interest in the individual, and stands to gain by promoting the show and the individual's connection with VH1. [[WP:Independent sources|An interest in a topic is vested where the source holds a financial or legal relationship with the topic; VH1 has a conflict of interest]], hardly independent. The individual's profile on VH1 is due to being on a VH1 reality show, hence it is not an independent source. - [[User:SudoGhost|Sudo]][[User_talk:SudoGhost#top|Ghost]] 20:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC) |
:::::*"Somaya Reece is not VH1" is a critical misunderstanding of independence; VH1 has a vested interest in the individual, and stands to gain by promoting the show and the individual's connection with VH1. [[WP:Independent sources|An interest in a topic is vested where the source holds a financial or legal relationship with the topic; VH1 has a conflict of interest]], hardly independent. The individual's profile on VH1 is due to being on a VH1 reality show, hence it is not an independent source. When you say that "Somaya Reece is not VH1," what you're describing is [[WP:ABOUTSELF]], not independence, at least not any definition of "independent source" that has ever been used on Wikipedia. - [[User:SudoGhost|Sudo]][[User_talk:SudoGhost#top|Ghost]] 20:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Frequently recreated article that has zero independent reliable sources and fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. The past two AfDs have reached a consensus to delete the article; no independent reliable sources have been found since then and the article was last speedy deleted in January. VH1 is not an independent source for someone on a VH1 reality show. - SudoGhost 16:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. Proposer's claim of zero sourcing is false. VH1 is a reliable source for the appearance of someone on a VH1 reality show. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't say "zero sourcing", I said zero independent reliable sources. Articles require independent sources, and VH1 is far from an independent source, so that doesn't do anything for the notability of the subject. - SudoGhost 18:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- VH1 is independent of Somaya Reece, despite her appearance on a show on the network. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- In no way is VH1 independent of an individual on a VH1 reality show, especially when this is the reference in question. It exists solely to promote the show. The claim that this is an independent source is completely inconsistent with Wikipedia's standards on independent sources, so how exactly do you figure that this is an independent source? - SudoGhost 20:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- Somaya Reece is not VH1. Somaya Reece is not the CEO, president, or other officer of VH1. Somaya Reece is not VH1's publicist. Etc. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- In no way is VH1 independent of an individual on a VH1 reality show, especially when this is the reference in question. It exists solely to promote the show. The claim that this is an independent source is completely inconsistent with Wikipedia's standards on independent sources, so how exactly do you figure that this is an independent source? - SudoGhost 20:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- VH1 is independent of Somaya Reece, despite her appearance on a show on the network. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- I didn't say "zero sourcing", I said zero independent reliable sources. Articles require independent sources, and VH1 is far from an independent source, so that doesn't do anything for the notability of the subject. - SudoGhost 18:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- "Somaya Reece is not VH1" is a critical misunderstanding of independence; VH1 has a vested interest in the individual, and stands to gain by promoting the show and the individual's connection with VH1. An interest in a topic is vested where the source holds a financial or legal relationship with the topic; VH1 has a conflict of interest, hardly independent. The individual's profile on VH1 is due to being on a VH1 reality show, hence it is not an independent source. When you say that "Somaya Reece is not VH1," what you're describing is WP:ABOUTSELF, not independence, at least not any definition of "independent source" that has ever been used on Wikipedia. - SudoGhost 20:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)