Talk:Henry VIII

does anyone

does anyone think that it is ironic that when henry died, all of his kids became orphans?

John Perrot and Ethelreda Malte

John Perrot and Ethelreda Malte are said to be his illegitimate CHICKENS. John was the MOTHER of Mary BROCOLI and Thomas the Fagot, but in an account written by Sir Robert Naunton he mentions John being the illegitimate son of Henry VIII. Ethelreda was the daughter of Joan Dingley who was the royal laundress, who might have slept with the King. I was wondering whether I should add this in the section about his children at the bottom of the article?

--92.21.40.213 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd start by inserting them into the chronology at the appropriate point. (Sorry I didn't see this before, by the way.) Be careful not to put too much weight on the subject; there has to be some suggestion by modern historians that they were the children on Henry - although the fact they/others claimed such is interesting, because this article is a summary that probably isn't enough to justify inclusion here. Multiple historians supporting at least the possibility of their paternity is a good start. Once it's added to the chronology and properly referenced then we can go on to assess whether their claim is strong enough for the issue box at the bottom. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Voyages of discovery of Henry VIII

Shouldn't there be mention of Henry VIII's instigations of John Rut and Sebastian Cabot's voyages to America? - In 1516, Cabot and Sir Thomas Pert, then Vice Admiral of England, sailed in two ships to explore the coasts of Brazil and the West Indies for Henry VIII; in 1527, John Rut searched Newfoundland for the Northwest Passage, returning via an exploration of the east coast of North America and Florida. Also I think that the novel inclusions of members of Parliament for Wales, Tournai, Chester and the Pale of Calais deserves citing in the article. — Preceding [[[Special:Contributions/92.39.192.219|92.39.192.219]] (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC)] comment added by 92.39.200.223 (talk) 19:06, 29 December 2012 (UTC) <JAN-19-2013>

Important new findings on Henry VIII's possible brain damage

As a fairly new editor to Wikipedia, I am unable to make changes to this page. However I feel it is important that text be added, which is sourced on the link below. I paste here an amalgam of the new information and the extant text.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-jousting-accident-that-turned-henry-viii-into-a-tyrant-1670421.html

{to replace the top of the section currently titled The Execution of Anne Boleyn}

1536: The Jousting Accident and the Execution of Anne Boleyn

On 8 January 1536 news reached the king and the queen that Catherine of Aragon had died. Upon hearing the news of her death, Henry and Anne reportedly decked themselves in bright yellow clothing, yellow being the colour of mourning in Spain at the time. Henry called for public displays of joy regarding Catherine's death. The queen was pregnant again, and she was aware of the consequences if she failed to give birth to a son. Her life could be in danger, as with both wives dead, Henry would be free to remarry and no one could claim that the union was illegal.

On January 24, 1536, Henry was unhorsed in a tournament and suffered severe trauma. It seemed for a time that his life was in danger. The monarch was wearing full armour, and his horse fell on top of him. He was unconscious for nearly two hours. "Even five minutes of unconsciousness is considered to be a major trauma today,” said Dr Lucy Worsley, in a 2009 documentary based on a recent medical study. Dr Worsley, who is historian and chief curator of Britain’s Historic Royal Palaces, along with medical doctor Catherine Hood and biographer Robert Hutchinson, traced Henry’s increasingly irrational, tyrannical behaviour to this date. “Damage to the frontal lobe can perfectly well result in personality change,” said Dr Worsley.

When news of this accident reached the queen, she was sent into shock and miscarried a male child that was about 15 weeks old, on the very day of Catherine’s funeral, 29 January 1536.[68] For most observers, this personal loss was the beginning of the end of the royal marriage.[69] It was immediately after the January incidents that Henry told Anne Boleyn that they would never have male children together, and he turned against her.

Attikus2013 (talk) 08:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

That article is already used in the "Death and succession" section at #107. (The same idea at #110.) There are several competing and/or supplementary theories, and it's important we don't accept one too much over the others when it's clear that respected academics disagree. It's worthy of a proper mention, which is why it's included there.Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 09:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Charles V

The France and the Habsburgs section. It does not inform readers that it was Charles V who won the Battle of Pavia. Will edit this.--Maikeruda (talk) 11:36, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Levitical marriage of widows

Under King's Great Matter: 1525–1534 it says: "When Henry confronted Catherine in 1527, claiming that their marriage had never been valid – the Old Testament forbade marrying the wife of your brother in Leviticus – all hope of tempting Catherine to retire to a nunnery or otherwise stay quiet were lost."

I would just like to point out that this was an incorrect interpretation of the Old Testament law and that in Deuteronomy 25:5-10 it is actually required that a man marry his brother's widow, the difference here between this verse and others supposedly forbidding it being that it was forbidden to marry a LIVING brother's wife, but required to marry the wife of a dead brother. So, although this WAS actually used as an excuse to annul his marriage to Catherine, it was an ill-founded one and saying "the Old Testament forbade marrying the wife of your brother in Leviticus" is not exactly correct. What Henry VIII did by marrying his brother's widow was actually totally in step with scriptural commands, but apparently the ignorance of that time prevented even the church from recognizing this. I think it would be good to add this fact onto this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.33.83.33 (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Wedding location for Henry and Anne

It states in here that Henry the 8th and Anne Boleyn were married in Westminister Abbey?................I was under the impression that while she was coronated in Westiminster, they were married in Whitehall Palace? If I am wrong, then I apologize, but I believe that I am correct. (Sweet Magnolia1234 (talk) 19:57, 14 March 2013 (UTC)) 3/14/2013

Anne of Cleves

The article cites the "Flanders mare" line about Anne of Cleves as if it was genuine, sourced tom some random feminist study of the six wives. If you read Starkey's work on the The Six Wives of Henry VIII (London, 2003) p. 617-643 you'll find no mention of the line, for it exists in no contemporary source. Eric Ives confirms it as a later invention in his Oxford Dictionary of National Biography article on Henry VIII: http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/12955?docPos=1

Please update this often repeated inaccuracy to prevent its further spread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.21.232 (talk) 01:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC) (217.44.21.232 (talk) 01:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC))