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The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

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Deletion of Exsite Webware (software)

Can you explain why you speedy-deleted this 2-yr old page? It was quite useful for developers looking to understand the origins of this useful package. Your explanation didn't make much sense, so we out here in radio-land would sure appreciate knowing what you were thinking when you did this. If you can't "undelete" it, could you at least point us to the text of the most recent version so we'd have a decent chance of recreating it? I was just involved in trying to get the developers to upload their logo (which I can't do because I'm not the owner of the logo). There's quite a lot of work there that you flushed down the toilet and, if nothing else, I'd like to get it back. Santamoly (talk) 04:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

PS: Is it you (RHaworth) who deleted this page, or someone else (a "Captain Conundrum")? The message on my talk page was signed by "Captain Conundrum", but the deletion info on the Exsite Webware page was signed by you (RHaworth). I'm also puzzled by the "copyrighted text or images obtained from other web sites" label. I wrote some of the original contributions, and none of it was copied. Now that you've deleted the page, I can't verify or dispute what you're saying since others may have added to the article in the 2 years that it has been in place. Or perhaps Exsite Webware lifted the WP article for their own page. Please restore the article ASAP. It doesn't deserve Speedy Deletion especially since it was in place for several years, and it's original content. Then we (editors) can figure out what was going on. The last I saw of it, it was a good article.Santamoly (talk) 05:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• I don't call two years "several". You definitely are a Wikipedia dilettante - the story is perfectly simple and easy to understand: Captain Conundrum (talk · contribs) proposed deletion by applying a {{db-copyvio}} tag and notified you. I then deleted it as the deletion log states. The story of the alleged copy source being actually copied from Wikipedia is quite possible but I am not willing to restore since the article was also deletable on the grounds of lack of evidence of notability. I am happy to let you see the text - read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:04, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too thrilled that you choose to start this conversation by hurling insults. That's so clearly against WP principles that I'm astonished that you have any kind of administrative capacity. I've done nothing to deserve this kind of abuse, which you seem to enjoy dishing out, even to the point of calling yourself "bolshie" (which doesn't appear to be very WP-ish). But, back to the topic at hand: I have opened an email address, and look forward to viewing the article. If you would be so kind as to point out what you think is copy-vio, please do so. The article concerns a computer operating system, so you also must be careful saying that it's not notable if you're naught but a bolshie artist, for example. The article has been through this kind of mindless bolshie AFD-copy-vio/lack-of-notability activity before, so I'd like to see if we're witnessing a repeat of previous episodes in which no problem was found after AFD, when in fact nobody had actually looked at the article. Regardless of your radical instincts, could you please overcome your revolutionary urges and email the article to me so I can start dealing with your bolshie concerns ASAP. With all due respect, of course. Santamoly (talk) 06:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

• OK, you feel insulted but there is no need to go on at such length. I still cannot see the e-mail link. Did you tick "enable email from other users"? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd not checked the checkbox, so now you should see it. Please send the docs over so I can start to work on verifying your claims. Santamoly (talk) 16:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

• E-mailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For your fantastic work at CSD....keep it up! TheStrikeΣagle 15:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of playforbitcoins.com

Hi, I appreciate your time and energy on this great, great site. I'm new to writing Wikipedia content, and would like to know why my page was deleted, and what I can do to (what information is necessary) to ensure it stays online. Thank you for your time! - Meir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meir3892 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

• The article was very short, contained no assertion of notability and no evidence of it. Kindly wait until a) it becomes notable and b) someone with no COI writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Footballidentity

Hi I wish to contest the deletion of footballidentity as I feel this entry is in keeping with a niche area of wikipedia which can be found here - in fact I used some of those entries as a template for the entry. I am not trying to advertise this site (and did not even include a link to the site) so I specifically tried not to create the article as an advertisement merely an informative piece adding to the above linked niche. Thanks, Collyfire (talk) 11:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

• What a strange idea that omitting the link might make the article look more acceptable - it merely makes it look more like an hoax. No attempt to provide evidence of notability. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Who is he, god?

Wow, he just goes around deciding what pages he wants to delete, and he lays waste to them. My Dodaf 2.0 text was parallel to what was already there for the dodaf v1.5, so I don't see why he objects to filling in the missing portion. What a pig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitdaddio (talk • contribs) 01:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Sadly the deletionists (who rarely have any interest or abiltiy to create articles) use Wikipedia to make themselves feel powerful and, as a lobby group, have become veray adept at rewarding each other and driving out anyone who stands in their way - effectively slowly killing Wikipedia as it was originally intended. Don't lose any sleep over it. When someone who attacks new users and kills content on sight is given endless Barnstars and positions of power you know that this site is going to WikiHell. DiverScout (talk) 12:20, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

what the hell is this idiot doing deleting someone's stuff? is this your way of becoming 'notable', you prick? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.167.231.68 (talk) 12:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Exopolitics

There are 2 more dormant expolitics drafts in userspace - but the editors are still active. Not sure what to do if anything about those. Dougweller (talk) 14:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• It would help if you gave me links to them. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

It certainly would, mea culpa. User:Arb/Exopolitics and User:Degen Earthfast/Exopolitics. Dougweller (talk) 12:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

• I have just zapped them and hope their respective authors don't notice/object. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 05:32, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Kino-100

I see you blocked Kino-100 (talk · contribs) as a sock puppet; you should be aware of User:Nino-100, who has picked up the creation of articles about Antonio Montiel, including the use of the userpage for that purpose. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• He has used various titles, none of which is Antonio Montiel! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I know, I know! I gave him a little lesson on his userpage, but it would probably have to be in Spanish to do any good. And looking at the long list of deletions on es.wikipedia makes me disinclined to hunt for sources myself. He also keeps uploading that pic on Commons and it's been deleted at least once for copyright infringement ... I hope someone Spanish-speaking can get through to him. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• Gosh, yes. es:Antonio montiel and es:Antonio Montiel deleted 19 times between them - don't the Spanish admins know about protection? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lupe-340 because he'll probably be back. It's extraordinary how some people are unable to get the message. — JohnCD (talk) 10:11, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Trinity College Chapel

Can you move Trinity College Chapel to Trinity College Chapel, Kandy and the Trinity College Chapel (disambiguation) back to Trinity College Chapel? I see you did this before. I have now done an article on Trinity College Chapel, Cambridge. — Barney the barney barney (talk) 12:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletions made to several Wiki pages

Mr. Haworth, In researching some State of Texas (USA) political history (specifically listings of members of the State legislative body during the late 1880s), I find that there are several pages that have been deleted, which list you as being the individual who deleted them. The deletions are noted to have been made on Dec 4, 2012. Specifically, these are the 22nd thru the 44th Legislature (1891 thru 1935). These pages are: 22nd Texas Legislature through 44th Texas Legislature.

The page for the preceding legislature (21st) and subsequent (45th) are still there, but show that they had been redirected as of Dec 3, 2012 (I don't know why, but with that date being the day before, perhaps that was you, also).

Can you tell me why these pages were deleted and can they be re-posted. I'm researching some family genealogy, as my great great grandfather was a Texas state representative during the late 19th century and I was trying to find out the specifics of his service during this time.

I thank you, in advance, for you attention to this matter and any response or further information that you can furnish. Respectfully submitted, Brian A. McDaniel Rowlett, Texas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.226.208.117 (talk) 22:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

• You saw that I had deleted them but apparently did not look at the deletion reason "G8: Redirect to a deleted or non-existent page". 34th Texas Legislature for example consisted simply of: "#REDIRECT Thirty-fourth Texas Legislature". Someone had done the rather pointless exercise of creating redirects to articles which do not yet exist. So, sorry - I have not deleted any useful information. You must research your great great grandfather elsewhere - and in the process perhaps you would like to create some of these legislature articles for us! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Roarie Deacon

Hi, Could you kindly restore the page for footballer Roarie Deacon. Today he made an appearance for Stevenage in the Football League, and therefore passes all the notability guidelines. Cheers. — SBFCEdit (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

• I shall expect to see it updated and expanded PDQ. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:07, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

BeasttoBeast

Hey,

Thought I'd forward this to you considering your prior involvement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/BeasttoBeast

Cheers. --GSK ● ✉ ✓ 18:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

UWRF pages

Just curious why you felt that various University of Wisconsin–River Falls pages were not considered "noteworthy"? These pages (Rugby, Equestrian, Swimming and Diving) about various sports programs and other organizations at the university are consistent with other pages written about other university's programs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbc32 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you created individual pages for these topics, that may be why. I can't see why those topics couldn't be covered in the primary article. --GSK ● ✉ ✓ 19:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Please note that I am not RHaworth. My username is GSK. I watch a number of pages, including RHaworth's. I noticed your comment, and decided to offer a potential point of view. --GSK ● ✉ ✓ 20:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I created one of the pages, but made it a separate page because the main article had grown too long... It doesn't make sense to me to have an excessively long page when there can (and should) be several sub-pages. I noticed that you didn't delete all the sub-pages. Why did you choose the three that you did delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbc32 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

• At 36k bytes the UWRF article is by no means too long, given that these sports programs are only worthy of one page each. Did I miss some sub-pages? Tell me which they are please. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

[1] 70.235.84.246 (talk) 14:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of AURA Travel

Didn't you jump the gun on this? Mangoe (talk) 13:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

• No. It was blatant spam. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Ameilaamericajones

Any idea why everything that could go wrong, actually went wrong with User:Ameilaamericajones? A brand new user creates a user page with what looks to be an attempt for an article, something which should be encouraged in general.

• It gets tagged as G2 (test page), a criterion that doesn't even apply to user space.
• It gets moved incorrectly to talk namespace, and then slightly more correctly to user talk namespace (still a useless move, it any move needed to be done it should have been to a /sandbox subpage); the redirects are deleted, so the user page is not even a redirect to the user talk page, but a redlink
• It gets (correctly!) moved back to its original location
• And then you delete it for G2 after all, even though that doesn't apply.

Am I missing something here (some unspoken deletion reason) or is this what actually happened? Seems all rather WP:BITEy and wrong. I can't undelete it myself , since Kumioko (the original tagger for speedy) would shout "involved!". Perhaps someone should also explain the speedy criteria to him, as while many of his tags correctly identofy a page that should be deleted, the reasons given are often wrong (e.g. with User:Kjtyme). He should be made aware that G2 doesn't apply to userspace, and G5 only for creations "after" the user was blocked or banned (so User:Veelead/sandbox, created 5 minutes before the block, shouldn't be deleted as a G5). Fram (talk) 12:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

• I like to see a link to the article under discussion. It looks to me like a standard nn-bio. OK (see below), A7 deletions do not, strictly speaking, apply to user pages so I have no objections if you insist on restoring it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • "Strictly speaking"? It doesn't apply to user pages at all. NN-bio doesn't apply to user pages. Even as an article, it would have been a borderline A7 (appearing as herself in multiple TV (reality) series is some claim to importance at least), Fram (talk) 11:12, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

International Talk Like Batman Day

Excuse me sir, I would like to know why you deleted International Talk Like Batman Day introduced to Wikipedia this morning. This Holiday has now been officially recognized by our Mayor here in Kelowna BC. I do not understand why this article was deleted, as there are very many like this one up on Wikipedia (AKA International Bacon Day).

Thank you much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarai91t (talk • contribs) 17:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

• World famous in Kelowna, BC is not enough. Wait until it is genuinely international. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• Sarai91t: "aka" means "also known as", not "such as" (that's "e.g.", for Latin "exempli gratia"). Unless Wikipedia is known as International Bacon Day, which would be very strange indeed. -- Thnidu (talk) 02:14, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

G11/G12 for sandboxes

Just wondering if I can get your thoughts on this? The sandbox in question, User:Hpws1ick/sandbox was a blatant promo and copyvio. I've asked AB about this here. I delete these all the time, and I know you delete them as well, along with other fellow admins I've seen who're active with CSD. I don't want a good CSD tagger like SuperMarioMan to get discouraged, as seems to be the case here. Thanks for your time. INeverCry 06:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• I agree with you and have told SuperMarioMan (talk · contribs) that. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• I have commented at User talk:INeverCry. As I say there I am prepared to be corrected; it was certainly not my intention to discourage any editor, and certainly not a good CSD tagger. The perceived criticism was directed at Twitter, which can be non-selective, not at him.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 10:21, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• What has Twitter got to do with it? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • The sandbox edit was identified by Twitter; or so the tagging editor said. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 14:46, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• I don't see any policy-based reason why G11, G12, and other general CSD criteria wouldn't apply to sandboxes. I don't think any admin would decline a G10 speedy of a sandbox, and if G10 applies, why wouldn't the rest apply? INeverCry 17:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, point taken and I stand corrected. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 19:45, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks to everyone for their input. I regret that rather gruff edit summary. Like others, I believe that no page should be immune from deletion under G12, when the copyright violation is obvious, simply because it is a userspace sandbox (in this case, the fact that the page was promotional was of less importance). The text of the sandbox in question was a clear copy-and-paste from a commercial website, and my tagging and user notification were done using Twinkle (I assume that Anthony doesn't mean Twitter). Apologies for this misunderstanding. SuperMarioMan 22:41, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
  • As you say, twinkle, not twitter. I obviously had a bad day. Just for the record, and this is not meant as a justification, as I have conceded the point; I was thinking in terms of a G11, not a G12.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 15:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Cyber bullying

Hello RHaworth
I am writing this comment to you to voice my concerns about this particular editor after reading about other conflicts that this editor seems to become involved with on numerous occasions. I had some disagreement with deletion notices he had raised on pages that I had created which under normal circumstances is usually resolved one way or another with fair and balanced argument and a consensus agreed. At one stage I pointed out to this editor about his lack of civility and criticized him here for his use of bad language. The editor in question then began do slap deletion notices on other articles I had created or contributed to. Many of the articles were of Natural locations and well referenced. All the notices dually failed but it is oblivious to me that this editor had used this as a tool in some sort of cyber bulling tactic which it seems he has used before along with others. I point this out to you as I am aware that you have been an administrator on Wikipedia for a long time and I have respected your wise words and comments in the past. I am not sure what can be done here but I look to you for some answers. Below is some evidence of this problem.

• Agua Blanca
• Cala Benirrás
• Cala Salada
• Platja S'Estanyol
• Cala Bassa
• Cala d’Hort
• Further acquisitions of Cyber Bullying and here discussions, Here, and again here.  stavros1  ♣  12:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• Plenty of precedent for blocking so I have done just that. If the activities resume after the block expires, raise the matter at WP:ANI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• For the record, the community rejected Glemmons1940's claim that he was being bullied by The Banner. The truth was that Glemmons was trying to use the Dutch Wikipedia and then the English Wikipedia as a memorial and made up some awards for his father. The Banner called him out on it on both Wikipedias. That's not bullying.--v/r - TP 16:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

AN/I

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 132.3.33.80 (talk) 20:06, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

User:The Banner unblock request

This editor, whom you blocked for one week, has posted an unblock request. It would be helpful if you could post on his talkpage concerning the reasons for the block and any comments on the request for unblock. Thank you, Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

About further acquisitions of "Cyber Bullying"

Quote: Further acquisitions of Cyber Bullying and here discussions, Here, and again here.  stavros1  ♣  12:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

The first two links refer to an user that was blocked indefinitely from editing for "disruptive editing, personal attacks, legal threats, using Wikipedia as a memorial and other behavior that is incompatible with building an encyclopedia", and almost all these bad actions were directed against TheBanner. The third link refers to User Oren Bochman, that was blocked for sockpuppertry with TheBanner as the target and that in the linked section is invited by an administrator to stop editing in TheBanner articles and pages as his actions are considered as harassment against TheBanner. In both cases TheBanner is the victim, not the bully.--Cavarrone (talk) 21:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

• The word is "accusations". — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Jeff Hershey (Musician) Deleted Page

Hello There, My name is Jeff Hershey. I am a past and present professional international touring musician. I see that my biography page was recently deleted by you. I have been trying to figure out why this is? I have many, many resources to back up all claims. Now when you search my name on Wikipedia, it directs you to a page of a band I was formerly in and is now defunct. The information on that page is highly outdated and incorrect, as well. Please help. It's obvious to me that there was not enough research done. Many resources can be found at www.jeffhersheyandtheheartbeats.com Thank You Blanks 13 Blanks13 (talk) 10:22, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks you are notable. In this case, there well be such a person, namely a young lady called Chrissypan (talk · contribs). You may well get some joy if you contact her. But in any case, why do you need my help? I have not in fact deleted anything connected with you. Learn to read an edit history. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:40, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
  • To be fair, you did nominate the article for AfD; but to be even fairer, the result was a redirect not a deletion.--Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 15:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for deleting User:Shirt58/dashbord.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Exploited rec

Hi administrator, you've deleted the Exploited Rec page two day ago. The content and the informations was there. I don't understand. The label was founded since 6 years and really famous trough the world. Best Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.138.181 (talk) 10:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

• Please read this note. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

User:ConcernedVancouverite

Hello RHaworth, This unfortunately will be the last contact I will have with the Wikipedia project as I am retiring for reasons which are quiet obvious now. But before I go I think you may want to look at this editor as he seems to be waging some sort of vendetta at me. I think it may have something to do with the recent business with the Banner. Either way the best way to deal with cyber-bulling is to hit the off button which is what I intend to do. Goodbye it has been a good for the last eight years and it is rapidly turning bad here on the pages of wikipedia.  stavros1  ♣  06:31, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

• No, it is not a vendetta. It is simply the routine removal of articles on non-notable subjects and of text, which if it is not actually copyvio from a travel brochure, certainly reads like it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
  • It seems very strange that the editor started following my contributions and putting Deletion tags on my contributions following the blocking of The Banner. Uncanny that!. Before that I had not come across this editor or his work!  stavros1  ♣  16:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
    • I guess you barked too loud and woke up some other dogs... The Banner talk 17:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• RHaworth, it feels you're almost complimenting CV for roughly the same activities as those for which you blocked TB for a week (probably minus the abrasive language). _W^\|/_haledad (Talk to me) 18:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard

A discussion which involves some of your actions is at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive247#User:KumiokoCleanStart. — Fram (talk) 08:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

In this connection, if you do not restore 316th division, which meets no speedy criterion, I will take it to Del Rev. By all means prod or AfD it if you like -- I doubt I'll dispute it unless someone finds a reference. I think process does matter. — DGG ( talk ) 20:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Ditto for lives and portraits of all the presidents from Washington to Grant, which I may actually dispute at AfD , since that's the kind of topic where I might be able to find a reference. — DGG ( talk ) 20:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

• It is considered a good idea to provide a link if you are talking about a specific article. Fram indicated I was involved but did not say how - thank you for telling me. By all means DelRev or even restore these two. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:23, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

• You could have asked if it was unclear. There weren't that many deleted articles mentioned in my original post in that discussion. Anyway, I have undeleted both articles. Fram (talk) 07:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Various requests

Could you please move the history of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Monyaka into Monyaka. That AfC was done by me as an IP a couple of years back and there is no need to keep it when the article exists. In addition, could you undelete Sirah (rapper) and place it into my userspace? Thank you.--Launchballer 11:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

• First done. Seems a stalker of this page has done the second for me. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

• Might as well undelete Talk:Sirah (rapper) as well. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• The talk page contained nothing but the unsigned message "this article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because she is amazing". So it is not worth restoring. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

ItaloBrothers

The site of ItaloBrothers had been deleted in 2010 because of a lack of notability, but in 2012 and 2013, they gained significant chart positions in Middle Europe and I know believe that a good article could pass the quality control. I have already written the article after my undeletion requestion, now here it is: User:Ali1610/ItaloBrothers... It is not completely read yet, I think that there are some tweaks to do but I´m not sure what should be improved. You can see how many sources I have tried to get somewhere, and I wanted to ask you to delete the creation-protection which you have created in 2010 because of creative vandalism so that I can move this article into namespace. If you think the article is again completely not worth to be published, I hope you then can tell me what is wrong at the moment. Thanks! --Ali1610 (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

• Masses of links but which are actually independent sources in English discussing the group? Submit via AfC. If it is accepted, removal of the protection will be uncontroversial. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

RH, not that I can judge articles in this subject, but why does their being in English matter? DGG ( talk ) 20:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

• Because this is the English Wikipedia and so references to sources in English are obviously preferable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:23, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Exsite Webware (software)

Just to be sure that everyone is in the loop, I'm copying my recent email to you here:

RHaworth- Thanks for sending me the text of the deleted article (Exsite Webware (software)) . But the edit history isn't included. The article was perhaps two years old and had an edit history that is needed to examine your claims re notability &/or copyright.

Can you please send me the related edit history so that I can contact the various contributors? Since I'm not sure who was involved in tagging/deleting the article, I'll cc this to each of you via your respective Talk pages — Santamoly (talk) 01:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

• History e-mailed. The speedy tag was applied by Captain Conundrum (talk · contribs). I don't know why you needed this info. Even if the article was not a copyvio, it would also fail as spam and for lack of notability. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Thatcher Death Celebration, Glasgow.jpg

You recently deleted File:Thatcher Death Celebration, Glasgow.jpg with a rational "F9: Media file copyright violation without fair use or credible claim of permission." What is your reason to believe the file is a copyright violation? Did the file description specify a "media source"? You did not specify the source in you rational?

Did you ask the uploader? I do not see any discussion related to the file in your edit history.

I found a thumbnail version of the file still on the Wikimedia server. Using Google image search I am unable to find any source for the image. If the image had been published in some commercial media, I would expect Google to find it. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

P.S. – Using Special:WhatLinksHere I see the file was marked for deletion by User:eeekster. I asked him about the copyvio here. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• The file was copied from this on flickr where its licence includes "NC" so it cannot be used here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Afc cleared

Re Template:Afc cleared/sandbox and Template:Afc cleared/testcases: I edited both pages earlier today but I don't recall blanking them or tagging them for deletion, at least not intentionally. They are part of an ongoing discussion, User_talk:Mabdul#AFC beta script request. I realize in retrospect I should have added a "noinclude" sandbox header and announcement to deter people talking the "please delete this page" text at face value. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 01:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• The scope of your <includeonly> sections was too small so they landed up in CAT:CSD. Restored, crudely unspeedied. Make sure that they do not reappear in CAT:CSD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for zapping the stray /. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

deletion of article by User:HaeYoon

Hey, I just wanted to say I am an instructor for the course that student is in, and I am sorry she is making mistakes. I told her at User talk:HaeYoon to use the sandbox for the next version; was there anything salvageable in her deleted article? If so, maybe it can be restored to her sandbox? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:02, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

(Since I also got the request) I placed the only usable content (an infobox) in the user's sandbox. --Michael Greiner 05:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Request for reconsideration

Hi, Just recently you have deleted my article Deepak Raj Giri. I want to add more references to this, so can u restore it ? Thanks Ashishlohorung (talk) 12:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Restored to User:Ashishlohorung/sandbox which is where you should always work until articles are viable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Emad KAYYAM

Dear RHaworth: I marked the page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Emad KAYYAM for deletion, but now the article creator has told me that there was a copyright permission on the talk page, which I failed to check. Could you take another look at it, please? —Anne Delong (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Here's the relevant discussion: User talk:Anne Delong#Deleted page. — Anne Delong (talk) 17:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Please use wikilinks for internal links. Oh dear, I can well see me having to block our friend Emad. I have e-mailed you the text. Please see his user talk page. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
• Enjoy his submissions to the Commons. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Emad says

Dear RHaworth, Hello… I read carefully and appreciate all your valuable advice and comment.... Ok I will start correcting every thing you told me starting from my account at the linked in.

Actually I am a multidisciplinary independent researcher and I create, paint, illustrate and design many self worked image and media and publish them to wikimedia commons after a thousand and thousand of hours of hard work!!!

I am a new wikipedian and I want to learn. You don’t know how mush I spend hours in reading and revising wikipedia terms and guidelines for publishing. And I hope you not be angry if I do a mistake because I press on the wrong button. Kindly I did not do any thing I am just asking and learning my new steps as a wikipedian and want to understand the community and I just use my sand box and the request for article for creation.

Hope we can reach a consensus on how we can publish an article or a "stub" which may describe a genuine and entire original work to an independent multidisciplinary researcher focusing on the work itself and the images from an objective and neutral point of view in the future if this is possible if not I will not ask this again.

Thank you again, Emad kayyam. -- 91.106.109.199 (talk) 18:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

• Count yourself lucky I am talking to you at all - see my policy on IP address contributions. Unfortunately during your hours of reading guidelines you clearly did not read our policy on original research which, by your own admission, is what you wish to submit.

I am sorry to be blunt but I am sure it is better than giving you false hopes: I do not think that you have anything to offer Wikipedia. I strongly recommend you to publish your "entire original work" on your own website. If you like using the MediaWiki software, select an host from this comparison of wiki hosting services. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

A real gem of an article

I would have voted to CSD this little gem but I am sure that some users would find a way to keep it. I don't dare submit any more so I thought I would leave it up to you. Kumioko (talk) 01:04, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

this one isn't bad either! :-) Kumioko (talk) 01:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I see someone already deleted them. Happy editing. Kumioko (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Building Collapse in Ma Tau Wai Road

Hi RHaworth, I noticed that you deleted a page entitled Building Collapse in Ma Tau Wai Road. Well, I actually just found and nominated that page for deletion after you supposedly deleted it. Furthermore, the article Building Collapse in Ma Tau Wai Road seems to have been duplicated on the talk page. Do you know what is going on?

Thanks, Sosthenes12 (talk) 18:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)Sosthenes12

P.S. I'm beginning to suspect sockpuppetry. It seems that Jennimak4 (talk · contribs) made the content for the article and then posted it with Phoebchau2 (talk · contribs). I think this because I found the article's content in Jennimak4's sandbox.

Sorry to add more. After looking around some more, I'm pretty sure about the following: Jennimak4 created the page about the building collapse. Then you deleted the page. The page content is still in Jennimak4's sandbox, however. Then a new user named Phoebchau2 was created today and recreated Building Collapse in Ma Tau Wai Road with the exact same content that is currently in Jennimak4's sandbox. I think this is sockpuppetry or maybe even meatpuppetry. What do you think?

Update: I checked other accounts that were involved in editing this article and found that these users also have Building Collapse in Ma Tau Wai Road content in their sandbox but in pieces. The users are Chelee4 (talk · contribs) and Wlleung45 (talk · contribs). Yinglam2 (talk · contribs) only has edits to the article of interest. So a total of 5 accounts including Jennimak4 and Phoebechau2. Then an IP address showed up: 183.179.3.75 They may have accidentally used it instead of an account. What do you think? — Sosthenes12 (talk) 18:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• Oh, why cannot people provide links? There is no reason for sockpuppetry since no-one has been blocked (yet) so I am inclined to suspect a student project. Keep watching. Take it to AfD if the prod gets removed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the lack of links. My mistake. Thanks for the help!

Sosthenes12 (talk) 20:13, 11 April 2013 (UTC)Sosthenes12

Deletion of page - Darwin Trust of Edinburgh

Hi, Please could you explain why you have deleted a page concerning the Darwin Trust of Edinburgh? This is an educational trust and I think should not be deleted for the reason given. What is more it was the work of a very great man who passed away this weekend. Sir Ken Murray was one of the pioneers of molecular biology and inventor of the hepatitis B vaccine. A fellow of the Royal Society, Ken was one of the UK's greatest scientists. The Darwin Trust was set up by Ken using the proceeds of his intellectual property to sponsor the education of the scientists of the future. As such it was a tremendous philanthropic enterprise, that is certainly noteworthy enough for recognition in Wikipedia. — Evan elpus (talk) 19:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• Text e-mailed. The article was derisorily short. More importantly, there was no evidence of notability, indeed no evidence at all. A proper article will probably stick. Remember to develop it in a user sandbox, not mainspace. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Spammy userpages

Thanks for deleting it. Normally I just nominate those pages for speedy (better, I always think, to have someone else do it), but in this case I was dealing with a slower-than-usual Internet connection and I had to leave where I was early, so I couldn't get to it. Daniel Case (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Death Threat

FYI... User Joeythehedgeroach issued a death threat towards you on Oggy's talk page. I've blocked Joeythehedgeroach and deleted the talk page. Oh the fun. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:52, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

International Bar Association

Mr Haworth, I received a notification that the logo I uploaded for the International Bar Association (IBA) had become orphan. I understand that the IBA entry was deleted altogether by you using the speedy deletion criteria G11. I'm interested in contributing to this page to a proper Wikipedia standard and reinstate it accordingly.

After checking the original page in the Google cache I think you might be right that there are some entries that can be rewritten in a more neutral way and avoiding any indication of promotion. However, I would dispute that the page is "exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten". The IBA is a post-war institution with consultative status before the UN and most international organisations. The contribution to the re-shape of the rule of law globally has been very important and it continues being perceived as the top organisation for international legal policy. Deleting the IBA entry from an encyclopedic resource like Wikipedia is tantamount to deleting pages of similar organisations like the American Bar Association, the Law Society of England and Wales or the Council of Bars.

I kindly ask for your help to get access to the original text to be reviewed accordingly. There are more than 100 Wikipedia entries that link to the IBA page and at the moment they are leading to an empty page. Thanks, JackMalkovich 10:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding not properly signed comment added by Goguca (talk · contribs)

• A syndrome that one sees from time to time: a decent article lasts for a while then someone with a COI expands it into blatant spam and it gets rightfully deleted. I have restored it to User:Goguca/sandbox because it is still woefully lacking in links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:52, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining the situation. I will keep it in the sandbox until I can find a few external references and make a general review. JackMalkovich 13:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goguca (talk • contribs)

• Hi Roger, I note you have inappropriately nominated International Bar Association for deletion, please give more thought before this sort of proposal, the IBA is clearly notable if you read the article.--File Éireann 12:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

• So which of the many external links are to genuinely independent, reliable sources? To be honest my prod was simply to express my disgust at the slovely way that Goguca had put back most of the flannel in the article and ont addressed the question of proper indep. refs. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:47, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion - Day Skipper Theory

This page was flagged for speedy deletion as overly promotional, but this is fairly important internationally recognised course. While the course itself is always paid, it is a qualification of general interest as it is required in many countries for certain jobs and leisure pursuits. I'm working on getting some additional information on course contents that I should have soon. Although the RYA page from the article had the main guide, there is not much detail there, so I am working with an international sailor at First Class Sailing, UK.

I'd like to restore this page with the additional content, but it's not worth the effort if it will be deleted again. There are also some other RYA courses missing that I will add over time as I can research them. For the time being I may place in sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathanElder (talk • contribs)

• I suspect that the most this topic deserves is one sentence in the Royal Yachting Association article. Before you spend too much time on a full article, I suggest you contact Cindamuse (talk · contribs) and MrX (talk · contribs) who both, independently applied speedy tags to the article. You could also seek opinions at talk:Royal Yachting Association and from others who have edited that article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Scrape.it

Hi, you've removed the free, open source, GPL licensed software. I've explained already on github the project's commercial support is gone. The website itself has been abandoned quite some time ago with the pricing page removed and really, I'm just trying to open source a personal project of mine so that it can benefit those seeking an FOSS screen scraping solution.

Please undo the delete, as I will be writing up a complaint letter about this practice. Why hasn't there been an appropriate communication? The decision was largely arbitrary based on subjectivity. Help me introduce this FOSS solution on wikipedia, my goal is not making profit. Let me know what made you think this was for profit or promotion when I've fully explained my case. Hoping to resolve this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Depta99 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• I have nothing to add to what Acroterion (talk · contribs) has told you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Lyle Peterson aka "Tubalcain"

I supported the removal and will rework the article. Given that the article existed for a short time, when resubmitting, would you be willing to take a look while in the sandbox and provide comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hogstrom (talk • contribs) 18:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

• YouTube videos are rarely considered notable even when someone has a lot of them and certainly an article totally devoid of independent references stands no chance of survival. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Competent Crew

Hi Roger, I am contesting the deletion of this article from Wikipedia. In my view it is encyclopaedic, as it is the main beginners course in Yachting in the United Kingdom, and there are 400 RYA yachting course centres in multiple countries Worldwide. I agree the course is a rather poor stub, but in my view that is not enough reason for deletion.--File Éireann 21:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Roger, I note you have inappropriately nominated International Bar Association for deletion, please give more thought before this sort of proposal, the IBA is clearly notable if you read the article.--File Éireann 12:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes

Could you restore the final couple of revisions at this page?--Launchballer 00:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

• FWIW, User:Launchballer made the same request on my talk page, and I declined to restore the edits. - Eureka Lott 00:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Restores have been done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

There are still a couple there that were deleted on 21 February 2007...--Launchballer 11:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

• You specified "the final couple of revisions". Those have been restored. As to the edits in 2007, I agree a lott with Eureka that there is no point in restoring. I have emailed you the final one from 2007. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)