Talk:Near-death experience

Eben Alexander, M.D.

Eben Alexander, M.D., is not a proper biographical article. Can anyone here help with that--Pawyilee (talk) 07:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)?

[1] Kittybrewster ☎ 20:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Ketamine and Near-death experience ?

It is said that all features of a Near-death experience can be induced by Ketamine, as cited in this site: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience

How do you think about the theorem that Near-death experience like experiences can be induced by Ketamine and thus Near-death experiences may also be hallucinogens, should we make a reference to such a theorem?--EPN-001GF IZEN བཀྲ་ཤིས་བདེ་ལེགས། 23:23, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

To include this, we will need coverage in reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I know a man who had an accident where only his car was touched by another car. He was not hurt but had a NDE with a life-review. There are a lot of similar NDEs where health is not disturbed. Therefore the ketamine-theory might be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.249.255.219 (talk) 15:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Your acquaintance's personal experience and your interpretation of the Ketamine theory in light of that story are original research. - SummerPhD (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

‎Intrasomatic Model

The Intrasomatic model Theory which has been added is a non notable fringe theory, it apparently appears in one paranormal book, but searching for "Intrasomatic model" reveals no hits at all, this may well be original research. I originally deleted it, but reverted for a consensus. Please offer any opinions. Fodor Fan (talk) 05:29, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree. --Smkolins (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

A couple of new sources

Just found these recent papers here and here that could be added to the article, any thoughts? Fodor Fan (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Need more time to review but on the face of it yes - just a matter of intelligently integrating them.... Smkolins (talk) 11:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Neuropsychiatrist Dr. Peter Fenwick

Dr. Fenwick is a respected MD and a well-known researcher in the NDE and ELE fields. Could his findings be incorporated into this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.160.36 (talk) 03:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Just need reliable references - on topic, scholarly vs self-published, etc. Smkolins (talk) 11:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

NDE Research and Wikipedia manual of style

After reading the abstracts of a few papers on NDEs, it is clear that some of the "scientific" research into NDEs comprises papers that are in gross violation of scientific norms and the Wikipedia manual of style. One example: "According to the 2013 PLOS ONE article by Thonnard et al., near-death experiences cannot be considered as imagined event memories". This is more or less a direct quote from the article's abstract, but this sentence also happens to be in violation of the following principle: under normal scientific discourse, if a human being utters a sentence, it is said that "the person speaks on the basis of memory". It is also said that "those memories are formed on the basis of perception". According to the standard Platonic framework, a perception is an imagined event. In fact, the root of the word "imagine" is "image", in metaphorical congruence with Plato's famous allegory of the cave. The event is said to be "constructed in consciousness" on the basis of the raw sense data. Descartes also weighs in on this topic (Meditations of First Philosophy). This trend of establishing the meaning of words and concepts was carried on by Karl Popper.

My point is that these works form conventions of communication in the scientific community.

As a matter of standard use of the English language, there is no difference between "experiences reported to an investigator" and "imagined event memories reported to an investigator". By convention, the two phrases alias one another, they refer to the same thing. The very definition of an "experience" is "imagined event memory". Now, I have no problem with philosophical and linguistic innovations. I think this is how civilization progresses! I do, however, have a very serious problem with prevarication in the realm of science. What we have are philosophical and linguistic ideas that are presented as medical research. This is profoundly deceptive and a very serious ethical violation. I sincerely hope that the NDE crowd shifts from a practice of scientific deception to a practice of philosophical innovation, because this appears to be the fundamental operating principle. I am ENTHUSIASTIC about the possibilities for the evolution of language and philosophy, but I am DISMAYED at the deceptive tactics.

In short, the Wikipedia manual of style does not get thrown out the window because a group of scientists publish material that contains nonsense sentences. Please be respectful of the norms of the Wikipedia community and edit the article in accordance with the manual of style. Thank you. 173.239.78.54 (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2013 (UTC)