Talk:You'll Never Walk Alone

Is this the song that Eddie the Shipboard Computer sings during one of the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" scenes? Joyous 22:12, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

It certainly appears like it: [1]. That mightn't render properly if you're in Mozilla/Firefox or Opera. A cursory control+f for "walk alone" should give you the bit you're after, though. - Vague | Rant 10:08, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Eddie definitely sang the song in the radio series. As I recall, it was the ship's way of being helpful in the face of oncoming missiles. dbenbenn | talk 05:12, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You'll Never Walk Alone and other clubs

On which club's supporters sang the song first, please discuss at Talk:Liverpool F.C.#You'll Never Walk Alone and other clubs. --Pkchan 16:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

RoyalBlueStuey, can you please present some evidence in support of your claim that a) YNWA was immediately adopted by Celtic supporters, and b) the song is invariably sung by them at football matches. I have spoken to a Celtic supporting friend who is unable to tell me exactly when the Scottish club started singing it, but that in his own personal experience Celtic supporters have sung the song "on and off over the last twenty years." Thankyou. Ste B 18:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea which club sang it first however the fact is that Celtic and Liverpool were both responsible for it becoming a football song (neither was copying off the other)...this was subsequently adopted by other fans. Just planting a liverpool flag on the song and adding Celtic to the list of Dutch, German and Australian clubs that might occasionally sing it is innacurate...still don't let that bother you. Not like a liverpool fan to try and airbrush history is it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalBlueStuey (talk • contribs)

The unsupported claim that Celtic supporters started singing the song first is firmly rejected as being untrue. But yours is an interesting fallback position where we are now expected to believe that both Liverpool and Celtic supporters are equally responsible for making the song popular, presumably by adopting it at exactly the same time? But where is your evidence? I can't see it.

Historians have determined that Liverpool group Gerry & the Pacemakers' cover version made the song more popular in England than ever, and that it was immediately adopted by the Liverpool faithful who stood on the Spion Kop. No serious historian has ever claimed that Celtic had anything to do with the growth or popularity of the song at precisely this point in time.

For example, I can point to a BBC Panorama Television programme of 1964 that documents the mood of the Kop at the time (John Morgan, 'The Other Mersey Sound', BBC Panorama, 20 April, 1964. Partial audio here). I have also supplied quotes from Liverpool native Gerry Marsden himself explaining just why, and when, the Kop started singing it. You, on the other hand, have set about arguing backwards and submit your own unsupported opinion as if it were supporting evidence. This is unacceptable.

And so I will revert back, and will keep doing so, until you present something in the way of compelling evidence. Ste B 16:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Both of you are to STOP EDIT WARRING or risk a block. NSLE _(T+C) at 00:43 UTC (2006-05-25)

Then what do you suggest I do when the same user persists in passing off his own unsupported opinion as fact? Ste B 02:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you both read the following: WP:CIV, WP:CITE, WP:NOR, WP:CON. Cheers, NSLE _(T+C) at 02:10 UTC (2006-05-25)

All I'm saying is that Celtic's contribution needs to be acknowledged...you seem intent on stating that the entire world is copying lfc. This is not the case. You seems to think Gerry Marsden's popularisation of the song gives liverpool ownership of it but it was around for 15 years prior to this. The Bhoys have been singing the same song for basically the same period however you insist on lumping them in with teams from Australia & Japan. There's no point me trying to correct your bias 'cause you'll just revert it again. You've decided history (based on a chat you had with one Celtic supporter) so airbrush away. The facts are both sets of fans have been singing it for years, the others listed are clearly copying off liverpool.

Let me re-emphasise. WP:CITE. Unsourced claims do not belong in encyclopedias. Please provide sources for your claims. Should you go ahead and reinsert it into the article, then on the other side Ste B should not revert, or risk a block. Both of you got me? NSLE _(T+C) at 08:45 UTC (2006-05-25)

Sources eh? Can't argue with "Historians" or "A friend" of some liverpool fan who claims, quite spuriously, that Celtic supporters only began singing YNWA in the mid-80s (and then only sporadically) or Gerry Marsden who insists it's his cover version (and his cover version alone) that started the whole thing. Both clubs have a long tradition of singing the song but one liverpool fan insists on stating that Celtic are just copying 'The Mighty Reds' & deserve lumping in with teams from the A & J Leagues. Anyway, it'll not be edited by me again 'cause I've got better things to do.

RoyalBlueStuey, I am aware of the history of the song and where it originated; I simply stated that Gerry Marsden's version made the song more popular than before on this side of the Atlantic - that's a fair comment, is it not? I most certainly did not try to argue that the song is his, ours!, and ours alone (of course, I know people who still prefer the Doris Day version). The fact that Liverpool supporters have been singing this song consistently for decades is not in doubt (in the 60s and 70s, many supporters would sing the song when their team had lost a game, and were looking dejected). Further, I didn't "lump" Celtic in with any other team - the formatting you see before you was basically settled before I arrived here. Nor did I argue that Celtic supporters only ever started singing the song in the 80s, I merely said that I had spoken to a Celtic supporting friend - who had attended many matches during that period - and he told me that they had sung the song "on and off." It is not my responsibility to commence a detailed research project aimed at ascertaining exactly when, and how consistently, Celtic supporters started singing the song. However, if you do some basic research and present compelling sources then I'm sure no-one will have a problem with incorporating your findings. But as things stand, your transparent 'appeal to be friends' (can't we just get along and say both clubs made the song popular at the same time?) simply won't suffice.

Audio?

Is it possible to somehow include an actual recodring of this song? I'm sure there must be a "free" version somewhere. Surely someone must have recorded the fans singing? Lars 15:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

This link [2] will direct you to a partial video of Liverpool supporters singing the song. -- Ste B 23:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

German clubs

I'm from Germany and I've never heard the fans of Mainz 05 singing that song!!! It's the Westkurve in Kaiserslautern who use to sing that song before the games,especially the last seasons.--84.166.166.121 15:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)