Talk:Mamikonian

Bardas/Theodora

Ghirlandajo, do you have a reference that claims otherwise? Post it here or revert back. Christian Settipani's "Nos Ancetres de L'Antiquite, Etudes des possibilites de liens genealogiques entre les familles de l'Antiquite" Paris: Editions Christian, 1991 You have 887 matches for Theodora Mamikonian in Google. Your rv requires an explanation.--Eupator 19:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Mushel/Mushegh

During the middle ages L changed into GH in various names and words (ie: Lazaros->Ghazaros). Mushel (Hittie Mursilis) changed into Mushegh. Some historians use Musel, Armenians only use Mushegh. Mushegh is more common.--Eupator 17:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. And why there are two versions of Vartan/Vardan's name? --Ghirla ^-трёп- 17:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Vartan is written with a d: Վարդան, but the d is pronounced as a t'. The proper transliteration is Vartan.--Eupator 17:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The Chinese fiasco

No contemporary write claimed they were of Chinese origion and neither did any Mamikonian. They reference was to a certain Chenk. What this Chenk was is still open to debate and has been argued to be many things by modern scholars, among them China or the Georgian tribe of Tzans. Other scholars have speculated of Tocharian origins (many Mamikonians seemed to be redheads). I had a good anakysis of their origins. I'll look for the book tomorrow and post relevant excerpts here.--Eupator 03:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Howdy Eupator. According to Cyril Toumanoff, the earliest recorded Mamikonean was Maceius (not exactly sure if I’m correctly spelling his name) who defended Tigran’s capital against the Romans in 69 BC. I think this should also be mentioned in the article. The later Georgian clan of Liparitides-Orbelianis is also purported to have descended from the Mamikoneans. One branch of these Orbelians then returned to Armenia following their revolt against George III of Georgia in 1177 and acquired Suinik in possession.--Kober 06:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. IMHO, Vartan deserves a separate article.

Toumanoff is not the best authority on Armenian families, and on Georgian families too. I can not trust the author who could without flinching represent a dozen consecutive generations within the span of a single century (e.g., in his genealogy of the princes of Siunia). --Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You might be right, but Toumanoff is cited in virtually all major works on Armenian and Georgian history, so his version of Mamikonians' genealogy should at least be mentioned in the article. --Kober 06:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

He is cited because there were no other books available in English until recently. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 06:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If there are any credible sources claiming otherwise, please cite them. It is really interesting. --Kober 06:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Image nominated for deletion

The editor who did so didn't place a notice here, so I am doing it -- this image has been nominated for deletion. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 00:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)