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How is this notable?

Is this about Tia Sharp or what happened to her? In any case how is this article notable other than sounding like a news story? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How do you want it to be written then? If it is a tone issue then it can be fixed.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:38, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Or is it more an issue that you dont think it is notable. Because I dont see how the article could tell about Tia without describing the situation at hand. Like thousands of similar articles.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Knowledgekid87. This is an utterly pointless article at this point in time. It's precipitate in every way. Write a considered article at some future point, if you want. For now, leave this matter to the news media, and let Wikipedia be an encyclopedia. Russ London (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tell that at the WP:ITN section instead. And keep to the topic at hand.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Go look at the list of murdered Americans, and see how many of them are non-notable. Then you can come back here and tell us you think this article should be deleted, once you've complained about a few of those, mkay? --Τασουλα (talk) 10:10, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF Τασουλα Harry the Dog WOOF 13:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just because there is a number of American 'non-notables' already there is no need to add to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.154.113.152 (talk) 15:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

It hasn't been confirmed that she has been murdered, shouldn't the word murder be changed for something more suitable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.60.98 (talk) 18:27, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that, good to see its already been changed to disappearance, although the police have opened a murder inquiry, no charges has been brought yet and no fixed evidence released. 86.185.54.231 (talk) 20:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If (when) the body is confirmed as Tia Sharp, the article title should be changed to Death of Tia Sharp. Murder should not be presumed until after a legal verdict. WWGB (talk) 06:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(We can use murder pre-emptively depending on reliable sources but that's not so important)

I agree that the title should be changed and now that I am aware of RSs saying the body's been identified [1] I'm moving it. Egg Centri c 19:46, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lets wait for the AfD to close first, moving the page now will be redundant if the article is not kept, if there are sources add them into the article that confirm her death and a move can always be made afterwards. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What? I don't understand your point. Nowt wrong with editing an article under deletion disccussion and surely it was just as redundant for you to move it back? Egg Centri c 21:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that links says that they are still awaiting formal identification. They've charged Hazell with Tia Sharp's murder, but the body hasn't formally been identified. 146.90.141.14 (talk) 21:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the article back to Disappearance of Tia Sharp, where it should stay until the AfD process is finished. Using the word "murder" in the article title makes a currently-unsupportable presumption about the results of a judicial process that has only just started, and won't be finished for months, at the very least.

When the AfD is finished, if the body has been identified as hers, I suggest we move the article to Death of Tia Sharp, and block the page Murder of Tia Sharp from recreation for the time being. -- The Anome (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now confirmed as her. Get moving, monkeys! Lugnuts (talk) 10:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since the AfD has now been closed, and the body identified, I've moved the article to Death of Tia Sharp. I've left it locked against further moves for the time being. -- The Anome (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Presumed dead

Many reports now state that she is presumed dead, I have noted this on the main page. Please discuss if you have any issues with this. This includes the discover of a body in her GrandMothers house. ICabrit (talk) 10:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::::Actually, that links says that they are still awaiting formal identification. They've charged Hazell with Tia Sharp's murder, but the body hasn't formally been identified. [[Special:Contributions/146.90.141.14|146.90.141.14]] ([[User talk:146.90.141.14|talk]]) 21:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
-== Presumed dead ==
-Many reports now state that she is presumed dead, I have noted this on the main page. Please discuss if you have any issues with this. This includes the discover of a body in her GrandMothers house. [[User:ICabrit|ICabrit]] ([[User talk:ICabrit|talk]]) 10:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
-== Article name ==
 I've moved the article back to [[Disappearance of Tia Sharp]], where it should stay until the AfD process is finished. Using the word "murder" in the article title makes a currently-unsupportable presumption about the results of a judicial process that has only just started, and won't be finished for months, at the very least.
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 ::Since the AfD has now been closed, and the body identified, I've moved the article to [[Death of Tia Sharp]]. I've left it locked against further moves for the time being. -- [[User:The Anome|The Anome]] ([[User talk:The Anome|talk]]) 11:25, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
+== Presumed dead ==
+Many reports now state that she is presumed dead, I have noted this on the main page. Please discuss if you have any issues with this. This includes the discover of a body in her GrandMothers house. [[User:ICabrit|ICabrit]] ([[User talk:ICabrit|talk]]) 10:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)