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Founded in Germany

Brodnica was part of Germany until 1918.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is currently in Poland. There is no reason that Category:1918 establishments in Poland cannot refer to current boundaries. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is a reason that the category cannot refer to the current Polish boundaries. To apply it to places like Breslau in 1918 or 1913 is just unacceptable POV-pushing that ignores that the vast majority of the population in Breslau was German and would be highly insulted if you tagged them as in Poland. Brodnica is of course not as clear cut a place as Breslau, but you cannot distinguish them based on the present boundaries of Poland. To try to retroactively apply the present boundaries of Poland will result in unacceptable division of things in ahistorical ways. Beyond that, Category:1925 establishments in Poland clearly should apply the 1925 boundaries of Poland, which are very different than the current boundaries of the country.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are using a lot of words like "unacceptable", but your approach is opinion and just as much "POV pushing" as you are alleging. It may be unacceptable to you to have a scheme that categorizes by current boundaries, but that category has sat on this article for a long time, you are the first to object, and Poland's current boundaries are non-POV and recognised by its neighbours. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 :It is ''currently'' in Poland. There is no reason that [[:Category:1918 establishments in Poland]] cannot refer to ''current'' boundaries. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 03:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 ::Yes there is a reason that the category cannot refer to the current Polish boundaries. To apply it to places like [[Breslau]] in 1918 or 1913 is just unacceptable POV-pushing that ignores that the vast majority of the population in Breslau was German and would be highly insulted if you tagged them as in Poland. Brodnica is of course not as clear cut a place as Breslau, but you cannot distinguish them based on the present boundaries of Poland. To try to retroactively apply the present boundaries of Poland will result in unacceptable division of things in ahistorical ways. Beyond that, [[:Category:1925 establishments in Poland]] clearly should apply the 1925 boundaries of Poland, which are very different than the current boundaries of the country.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 04:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
-:::You are using a lot of words like "unacceptable", but your approach is opinion. It may be unacceptable to you to have a scheme that does this, but that category has sat on this article for a long time, and you are the first to object. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 05:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
+:::You are using a lot of words like "unacceptable", but your approach is opinion and just as much "POV pushing" as you are alleging. It may be unacceptable to you to have a scheme that categorizes by current boundaries, but that category has sat on this article for a long time, you are the first to object, and Poland's current boundaries are non-POV and recognised by its neighbours. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 05:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)