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While there are mentions of this company, it fails WP:CORPDEPTH and ultimately WP:GNG as there is not WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS. Most of the mentions are also from press releases. FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 19:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'Comment I declined a speedy A7 on it, but I'm not sure one way or another about notability. The requirements to pass pseedy are much less demanding that to meet WP:N. DGG ( talk ) 21:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. First gnews hit: a 450-word article in a foreign newspaper, exclusively about this company [1]. Here ~~are a couple of paragraphs~~is a mention in a Pakistani national newspaper [2]; here's a paragraph from the New York Times [3]. I hazard that there are plenty of sources in Urdu, too: this does seem to be quite a significant company in Pakistan. Dricherby (talk) 21:24, 19 June 2013 (UTC) Corrected Dricherby (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The first link talks about the company, but primarily focuses on the parent company that was once in Korea. This could be considered a references towards notability but it does not satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH in my opinion as depth of coverage states "A single independent source is almost never sufficient for demonstrating the notability of an organization." Also, the 2nd link is 1 sentence that states "However, Premier Bus Service and Daewoo Express had set a new trend in the transport sector by hiring educated staff so that people especially women could feel safe while travelling." This is hardly significant coverage as it is a one-liner and cannot be used towards WP:GNG. The 3rd may be from the New York Times, but it simply states that their buses are painted a different color than traditional buses in Pakistan. Not sure that these would satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH. Would be happy to withdraw the nomination if you can find WP:SIGCOV. Unfortunately, I have been unable to do so. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I realise I'd misread the second link, thinking that the whole of the last two paragraphs was about Daewoo Bus. But I disagree about the Korean source: other than a brief mention of the parent group towards the top of the article, almost the whole of the rest is about the Pakistani bus company. I also disagree about the third source: it does not "simply state that their busses are painted a different colour". It also says that their pricing is aimed at the middle-class market and that, in contrast to other bus companies, it has air-conditioned buses that run on time. Dricherby (talk) 23:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Conceding that the 1st source would go towards notability, how would the 3rd source meet WP:CORPDEPTH? I guess I am just not seeing how the two references we are talking about would amount to WP:SIGCOV. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Agreed with Dricherby. Quite notable article and it should be kept. Fai zan 07:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know of any sources in Urdu that might cement notability? Just agreeing with other contributors at AfD doesn't carry a lot of weight. Dricherby (talk) 10:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree about agreeing without an argument about why. I am the nominator but would be happy to withdraw such if there are references that can be presented that show WP:CORPDEPTH. I am willing to bet there is something in a language other than English which would be acceptable to support WP:GNG if someone is willing to find them. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how much weight your agreement with me about Faizan's agreement with me carries. :-D Dricherby (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely none. Pointing out to Faizan that this is a consensus, note a vote count. Also, I am the type of person who will change my vote if there is an argument that persuades me, but simply stating that it is notable without providing a reason doesn't carry much weight in a deletion discussion. At this point, the only reference that I feel would go towards notability is the first one you mentioned. I would love to see additional, even if they are in a foreign language. --FoolMeOnce2Times (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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