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How to create Classroom Progress Chart

I teach English to second language learners, and I wanted to help them become more autonomous learners. I like the idea of a classroom chart that has all the students names listed on one axis and on the axis would be certain skills the students would need to master during a semester course. Usually this would be a big chart hanging on the wall in the classroom, but I don't have my own classroom and move around a lot, so how could I create this type of chart, and give access to my students so they could note their own progress in their various skills?

178.61.41.163 (talk) 19:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Ceiling fans?

I know I'm new here, but what's with people adding videos of ceiling fans? EvergreenFir (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I for one don't know EvergreenFir. I'm not sure if I recall seeing one or not! Biosthmors (talk) 19:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Why my page is still orphan??

I created a page called "Paradox engineering", at the beginning the article was considered for deletion, after i modified some stuff and it changes in orphan; today I have reviewed everything respecting the modality of writing, including external links, wikilinks, references and so on...Why is still an orphan page? How can I convert it into a real page? Please help me I am really desperate...:(

Thank u guys 62.48.123.83 (talk) 16:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Orphan means that no other pages link to it. Add links to the page from other pages, and it will no longer be an orphan. Ginsuloft (talk) 16:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

In fact I just checked and the page is not an orphan. I removed the tag because it was incorrect. Ginsuloft (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply:) You mean that now is everything correct and I have to wait for the approvation? Sunny2888 (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

There is no "approvation" - the article is already in mainspace, which means it's already a "real" article, but it's being considered for deletion because someone nominated it for deletion. You can share your thoughts on whether it should be deleted or not at the article's AfD entry. If there's a general consensus that the page should be kept, it will be kept, otherwise it will be deleted. Simple as that. Just wait until the deletion nomination ends. Also, please always remember to log in when editing. Ginsuloft (talk) 16:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Help with Wikitable

Hey. It's Philroc again. How do you put 2 or more junctions into one location? Thanks! Philroc (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Philroc, it sounds like you want rowspan and colspan to merge table cells. See Table cell#Colspan and Rowspan and Help:Table. Does that help? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I tried reading them, but they're all too technical. Can you give a simple tutorial on how to do it? Philroc (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know which part you have problems with. I think it's better if you say exactly what you want in which article so we can show you how to do it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, I was making my SR 623 section in List of secondary state highways in Virginia. I had transcluded Template:Jct onto a table listing the major intersections of the route. In the beginning, two junctions were in the same location, but I couldn't make it so that they were both in the same cell. Can you teach me how to do that? Philroc (talk) 13:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's still unclear what exactly you want. You didn't name any cells and List of secondary state highways in Virginia#First segment is confusing. The third column has heading "Destinations" but mostly consists of numbers. Wikipedia has millions af articles and I'm familiar with table syntax but not road articles. If all you want to do is use Template:Jct twice in the same cell then it isn't really a table issue. Just place <br /> after the first use. But I suspect you want to restructure the table in a way that isn't clear to me. If you want to do the same as is already done for Scottsville then click edit and see how it was done with rowspan=2 in the first two cells. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That's because I tried deleting the "Miles" column because there weren't really any mileposts on SR 623. By the way, I got the table from the SR 6 article. Philroc (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The table structure is getting worse and I still don't know what you want. SR 6 is a redirect to List of highways numbered 6. Maybe you mean Virginia State Route 6. Click edit to see how the table was made with rowspan and colspan. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Copy paste

I have found a wikipedia user constantly copy pasting texts from the websites he cites, including things like 'released today', 'began yesterday' etc. which are subject to change. Should I inform him directly, or am I supposed to report somewhere? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you should inform him directly. I haven't heard of any place where you can report that. Philroc (talk) 13:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

You can point him to WP:REALTIME. Note that a direct quote in quotation marks should not change wording, but it should have a reference giving the date it is from. It's usually best to avoid quoting statements like your examples. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks PrimeHunter. Philroc (talk) 13:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

But this user seems to have a history of such edits. Looks like a seasoned vandal. His contributions suggest the same. So? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

It's hard to give more advice without knowing which user it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

[1] and [2] here is an example. Hope you can find the user from it. Follow the link; the sentence is exactly as in the webpage. His user talk page has many such issues in the past few days. -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sriram Vikram and thank you for identifying this problem. I agree that this editor does not understand our policies and procedures, especially with regards to copyright. I do not agree that the editor is a "seasoned vandal". This person seems to be acting in good faith. Vandalism is a deliberate effort to damage the encyclopedia by adding false information, profanity, complete nonsense and the like. If this person is blocked from editing, it will be for other issues, not for vandalism. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

So how to sort out this issue? His talk page says he's been warned many times, but still continues to do the same. Are we people supposed to keep correcting his edits? -- Sriram Vikram (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Can new editors create a new article immediately?

Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 10:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, see Wikipedia:User access levels#New users and Wikipedia:Your first article. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:50, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Inserting links to other Wikipedia articles

I just signed up for an account and was asked what I might like to do. I choose the option that tried to teach the addition of adding links to other Wikipedia pages. The instructions weren't clear and I would like to do something like this just to get into the community. Can someone please post instructions or a link to a page better explaining this. (I have made edits before, covering simple spelling errors, without an account but I decided to sign up today.) I know that this was a simply answered and possibly somewhat silly question but I appreciate the responses and help. Nt-501 (talk) 05:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Nt-501. This is a pretty easy procedure. If you see "Abraham Lincoln" mentioned in an article, it makes sense to wikilink to Lincoln's biography. Just edit the wikicode, adding two square brackets before and after. The code would then look like this: [[Abraham Lincoln]]. The result looks like this: Abraham Lincoln. It is that easy. Just be sure that what's between the brackets is the exact name of the target article, including upper and lower case letters. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Hey Nt-501. This explanation assumes you are going to be using the regular wikitext editing (invoked by clicking "edit source"), and not the new, very buggy, Visual Editor (invoked by clicking "edit this page^beta")

Linking to existing Wikipedia pages is done by placing doubled brackets around the name of the page. Thus, [[Wikipedia]] produces Wikipedia. A useful expansion of this is done by separating what you want linked, from what you want displayed, with a pipe character ("|"), to create a "piped link". Thus: [[Wikipedia|encyclopedia]] produces encyclopedia, with the displayed text linking to the article, Wikipedia. You can link to internal sections of pages in this way: Wikipedia#name of internal section of that article. By contrast, for external links: http://www.example.org produces http://www.example.org; [http://www.example.org] produces [3]; and [http://www.example.org example] produces example. For more information, see Help:Link, note WP:OVERLINK and consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Problem with my wikipedia biography

I have had a really terrible experience with my biography on Wikipedia. Someone has written a bio of my career which is totally erroneous and incomplete and I attempted to change it. I do not know what to do to have it accepted, because it keeps saying it is not the authorized bio. The one I attempted to submit is written by my management Robert Lombardo Asssociates and myself and has appeared all over the world in newspapers, program notes and articles. Please help me to correct this so that the public is not falsely informed. I have a website: www.carolefarley.com where an up-to-date bio appears. This is a very frustrating experience and I would be most grateful for any help66.65.67.227 (talk) 01:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, Carole Farley. If the article in question is the very brief stub Carole Farley, then I see no recent editing activity on either the article or its talk page, and no attempts to expand the biography. Please be aware that this is a neutral encyclopedia, and the subjects of biographies do not control the articles about them. It is very problematic to edit your own biography, or to have a manager attempt to do so. Instead, I recommend that you post an edit request on the talk page, along with suggestions of reliable, independent sources covering your career. Please read the following links, which will help you understand how Wikipedia deals with such issues: autobiography„ conflict of interest, and neutral point of view. Feel free to ask follow-up questions.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:17, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Carole. Thanks for asking your question here. Are you referring to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Carole Farley? An encyclopedia article about a person is very different from an official biography from a website. They are written for different reasons and will have different contents. Anything published on a website is automatically copyrighted and can't just be copied into Wikipedia for legal reasons. As Cullen328 says the best thing to do is to supply information on the talk page of Carole Farley. If you have kept a scrapbook supply a list of newspaper and magazine articles written about you. Those are the kinds of independent references needed for an encyclopedia article. You won't be able to control the content in the article, however. Good luck. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Statistics and original research

I am working on statistics for a denomination, see La Luz del Mundo#Statistics. I want reword the second sentence as follows: "The church estimates a total worldwide membership of 5 million adherents. The church, however, does not specify the parameters (e.g. age, attendance, etc.) for inclusion in the statistics." The bold text is the part in question. This is my observation, so is it original research? The number was found on the official church website. Also, can you leave a comment at the RfC on another section: Talk:La Luz del Mundo#RfC: Should the undue weight tag be removed from the Discrimination section?? Thanks. Ajaxfiore (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ajaxfiore. It seems to me that the language you propose is an attempt to cast doubt on the reliability of the church's statistics. Accordingly, I see this as original research. If there is something dubious about the claim, then a reliable source should have commented on the matter. Simply stating that the church is the source is the best solution, in my view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328. I will follow your advice. Ajaxfiore (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Need help with Wikitable

When I made a new Wikitable on my SR 623 section in List of secondary state highways in Virginia, all the other sections were on it! Can you please help me? Philroc (talk) 21:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey Philroc. Broadly speaking, most types of code have something that indicates a terminus – often the reverse or some modification of the starting code. For example, most code "tags" start with <name> and end with </name>; wiki markup templates start with {{ and end with }}; and for tables (the issue here), the starting code is {| and the terminus is |} In other words, I just added |} to the end to tell the table "this is where to end". Hope this helps. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:34, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Please review my article

It is my first article, and I want it reviewed before posting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mslync/sandbox Mslync (talk) 16:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like there is already an article Microsoft Lync which covers it? Theroadislong (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mslync. The topic may not be notable enough for a stand alone article and probably should be covered in the broader article mentioned by Theroadislong. Other Wikipedia articles should never be used as references, as they are user-edited, ever changing and not consistently reliable. Please check your account name against our username policy. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:08, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

What the hell should I do to it?

I came across a particular type of image vandalism-

In which criteria does it fall for deletion?   ☸    06:45, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Sohambanerjee! As a derivative work of a non-free copyrighted image, I believe it's a copyright violation, so there's that; F10 also works. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 06:51, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I was going to place it under F10 but took a hell lot of time to reload and when it did saw you deleted it. Thanks!!    ☸    06:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

How to insert references

I am having the most difficult time trying to insert a reference source. I've read the help:extension/cite page but it's way too technical and doesn't seem to work. The article I'm trying to insert a reference for is Can't Buy a Thrill. Is there a page that actually provides examples instead of instructions? Thanks. russelray77Russelray77 (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Russelray77, and welcome to the Teahouse. This can be complex, because there are many acceptable methods and two different ways of editing, the old way (called Edit source) and the new Visual Editor. Read Referencing for beginners for a good overview.

Footnotes are probably the most common method. You can do them manually by editing the source code, and here's how: The article needs a "References" section toward the end. The only item in the Wikicode for that section is {{Reflist}}.

The code to create a footnote goes into the article's Wikicode right after the statement to be referenced. So if you want to reference a statement such as "Jane Simpson designed six major buildings in Kansas City", you add <ref> </ref> immediately after that statement. Those two tags begin and end the reference. In between those two tags, you describe the reference in a logical way: Author, Book title, Publisher, City of publication, Publication date, page numbers, and so on. Separate each item with a comma. You can wikilink to any relevant Wikipedia article, such as a biography of the author or article about the publisher.

In this case, the code for your reference might look like:<ref>Watson, Harold, ''Great Architects of Kansas City'', [[Random House]], New York, 1998, pages 78-83 </ref>. This example is made up, but this technique is the easiest one to create references, in my opinion. Read the link I gave for more sophisticated options. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:18, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Cullen. That makes total sense, is logical, and is in line with my past 45 years of referencing sources.Russelray77 (talk) 04:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I am glad to have been of assistance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:27, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Pardon me for poking my nose into the discussion, but you can also use standardized citation "templates" to guide you in entering a reference's info inside the <ref> </ref> tags described by Cullen. If you're energetic, dive in to Template:Citation, though as I understand it templates are not required to be used. — RCraig09 (talk) 22:30, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

You are correct, RCraig09, that citation templates are very useful. As a matter of fact, I use them often myself. But I was trying to describe the simplest method for a new user having a bit of difficulty getting started with referencing. There are many methods, including semi-automated tools for power users. All methods are acceptable as long as the details about the source needed to verify the information in the article are provided to the reader. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, guys, you can also use VisualEditor. Go to Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide. Philroc (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

How does sub-script work?

Please explain how I can get sub-script to work on a page I'm editing. e.g. 'Airframe speed limits such as VA and VFE must be observed' on Slip (aerodynamic)#Forward-slip DescryVA (talk) 01:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, DescryVA. I see that you have figured out how to use  tags on your own. Another way is to use the {{sub}} template. Deor (talk) 09:50, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

How long should vague statements be alowed to stand.

My first practice edit was on the page of Mattie Stepanek. It contains the statement "He has also won numerous[quantify] awards[which?]." I would think that it would be fairly easy for Stepanek's advocates to provide this information? How long does Wikipedia wait for responses to these queries? Should unsubstantiated text be deleted after some period of time? These questions are made somewhat more sensitive in view of Stepanek's tragic death, and I have no doubt that his next of kin care deeply about his Wiki-page. On the other hand, a tragic death is not, per se, grounds for a Wikipedia entry. What is the standard policy on these sorts of issues? Likelihoodist (talk) 22:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Likelihoodist, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is an excellent one, which raises interesting questions. I have advocated deleting articles about various people, including children, who died under tragic circumstances. As a general rule, we don't keep articles about people notable only for their tragic deaths, and we don't keep memorial articles about people for sentimental reasons. Relevant guidelines can be found at WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL.

That being said, I don't think this article falls into those categories. Given that his books sold very well and received lots of attention, and given the interest in his life story by celebrities before his death, as reported in many reliable sources, I don't think that we can say that the topic isn't notable. The basis for the entry is the significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, not the tragic death itself.

The issue at hand, then, is the current state of the article, and the tags that adorn it. It is not the responsibility of "Stepanek's advocates" or his "kin" to improve the article. They may be unaware of the problems, or unfamiliar with how to improve it. Instead, it is the responsibility of any active editor who cares. If a statement is too sweeping, or too vague, then rewrite it to better summarize what the sources say. Or search for better sources and add them to the article.

Experienced editors here rarely complain about the state of a given article. Instead, they either improve the article; or they move on, well aware that the encyclopedia is unfinished and needs lots of work. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I need someone to review an article I wrote

I wrote the article Mohawk Mining Company, it currently has a start class rating, and I was wondering if someone could re-review it for me. I'm hoping for C-class or better. John Mortimore (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, John Mortimore. The article is almost entirely cited to a self-published book. In general, self-published books are not considered reliable sources unless the author is a recognized expert in the field who has previously had books issued by reputable publishers. Have you looked into the author's background? Perhaps you can instead read and cite other sources mentioned in the self published book. In my opinion, that issue should be resolved before re-rating the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Don Clarke is a recognized expert in the field, a mine historian who wrote a series of histories of individual mines of the Keweenaw Peninsula. These are included in the historical collection of Michigan Technological University in Houghton. See the Guide To Researching Michigan Copper Mining Companies on the library website. StarryGrandma (talk) 12:33, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, John Mortimore (talk) 01:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I read the article and thought it would benefit from some detail as to why the company closed down. I do not have access to the facts but if you added that I think it would help readers better.WikiWheatyMike (talk) 09:35, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

What is a reliable source for a music band?

Hello guys. Sorry to bother but I'm trying to submit an arcticle about a band called The Unabomber Files and I do not know how I can improove the references. I know facebook and social channels and zines are not considered reliable sources and I'd like you guys to help me on this. Where should I look? What is a reliable source? Can you please help? Thank you so much. Mwmwmwmwllk (talk) 20:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mwmwmwmwllk and welcome to the teahouse! An article in Rolling Stone magazine about the band, would be an independent reliable source about it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

== Hi Demiurge1000, thanks for your help! Just one thing: Could Blabbermouth.net be a reliable source then? Thanks again. Mwmwmwmwllk (talk) 20:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Our article on that site describes certain problems with it. It publishes rumors and provocative posts by trolls. I won't say that nothing published there is reliable, but I suspect that many editors would not accept coverage there and at similar sites as sufficient to establish notability. I advise caution. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:04, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

An article written by the website staff there might be a reliable source, yes. Reader comments and similar material would not be. Do note that in order to be any use in proving the notability of the band by Wikipedia's standards, the article would need to have significant coverage of the band. So routine announcements, summaries of press releases and the like, would not be any use. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I Have a Question

I'm looking for an artist who has albums who don't have singles on them could you give me some albums with that? IGotProof (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi IGotProof. Just for future reference, please note that this page is really geared toward answering questions about editing or using Wikipedia, while your question appears to be a general knowledge question. Such questions are a perfect fit for the reference desk, and in this case probably the miscellaneous section. Anyway, this is a good topic to put Google to work on. A search of "album had no singles" reveals many candidates, including from the first page of results, the Beatles' White Album; Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and Reba McEntire's Reba Live. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

i need assistence on writing my page in a neutral tone.

i am a professional documentary photographer undertaking a gigantic task that has never been done before, photograping the entire Historic Center of Quito that stretches over an area over 790 acres with 130 monumental buildings plus an estimated 5,000 smaller properties. For those of you who are unaware, The Historic Center of Quito was built on the ruins of an Incan city in the at an altitude of 2,850 metres in the Andes Mountains. This center was, together with the historic centre of Kraków in Poland, the first to be declared World Heritage Site by UNESCO on 18 September 1978 and is considered by many over the world as one of the most important historic areas in Latin America. In the Historic Center of Quito is La Compania Church, considered by scholars as one of the best examples of Spanish Baroque Architecture in the Americas.

my page is listed below, thanks in advance & have a great day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/David_Adam_Kess

Plaza San Francisco ( Church and Convent of St. Francis ) in the Historic Center of Quito.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvarosevilladesign (talk • contribs)

You can begin by reading WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. The first problem with your text that sticks out like a huge sore thumb is that it is written in the first person. Word such as "Me, I, my, you, we, us" are not allowed to be used in articles except in direct quotations. You need to change all of the "me, I and my" to "him, he and his". You also need to decide whether the article is about your whole life (a biography) or if it is about your work in Quito. BTW, there is a fairly long and comprehensive article about Quito so your article doesn't need to include a detailed explanation of the history of the city. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Protection on article

I am a writer of IT book "Fundamentals of Computer" & I am also write my article regularly in monthly magazine "Aap Ke Shabd" of Dainik Jagran. I know about the protection on article. I want that no one can edit my article on wikipedia written by me. 127.0.0.1 12:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachin Parashar Sharma (talk • contribs)

You can't do anything-Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia after all.Puntaalpo (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sachin. Protection is only put in place to stop various types of damage to a page, and for the shortest time possible for that purpose. You do not own an article because you wrote it, and the article on Bhayangi is an unsourced stub requiring expansion and citations for verification and has not been vandalized at all, which is the main reason protection is granted. By submitting an article, you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under our licenses and we hold up as a principal the idea that our content is available for public editing and improvement by anyone willing and capable. For these reasons, your request for protection was declined and will not be granted upon future requests unless a likelihood of damage is shown. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Swear (only content on page) on userpages ok?

Simple question: should we remove swearing on sandboxes, userpages, etc. if it's the only content on the page (e.g., User:Limitinggoose/sandbox? It seems that Wikipedia:Profanity says that the only need for it is if it matters for the context of the article. Wasn't sure if this policy only applies to articles and userpages should be left alone or not. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, EvergreenFir. As a general principle, users are allowed a lot of leeway to experiment in their own sandbox pages. Libelous and defamatory material can be deleted, but this ugly exercise mentions no specific person. I would be inclined to leave the page alone for now, but if this new user becomes abusive in other areas of the encyclopedia, this sandbox would show how they started here. And preventive action could then be taken. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Just wanted to make sure. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Which wiki project would this article be within the scope of

I would like to review the article Perfection, Nevada, but I'm not sure which wiki project it would be within the scope of. John Mortimore (talk) 00:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, John Mortimore. It seems to me that WikiProject Film is the most obvious choice. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, Thanks. John Mortimore (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Spam removal

In 2013 in hip hop music there are many refs to itunes such as this which I regard as a blatant use of spam because clicking on the ref simply results in an invitation to buy a product. Therefore I intend to remove all such refs from this article and all also from all other similar articles. Do you think I am right to do this. Can there be any objections? Jodosma (talk) 19:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jodosma-- thanks for your question about removing external links. Per Links normally to be avoided #5, I think you made the right call. Thanks for your work, I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 20:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jodosma. I agree that these links are inappropriate per our guideline on spam. Let's hope no one objects to removing them. If so, discuss it on the article's talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Lets see if we can make a point. There's far too much spam around. Jodosma (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Actually it is being used as a citation to verify the record label the album was released on, it is not an extra external link. Not to mention you cannot buy anything from the source, because it is just an online reference to what is on iTunes. It does not even directly provide any links anywhere to buy it, just links to download iTunes onto your computer if you do not already have it. STATic message me! 21:19, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The link prominently features the retail price of the recording, and is clearly a promotional page intended to increase sales of the recording. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

These links, or similar links like ones to Amazon's music store, are acceptable to use in the absence of an alternative. They should not be removed wholesale. If a better citation can be found, please replace them. Ryan Vesey 17:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

The "absence of an alternative" could indicate that there may be a Notability problem. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

In some situations, not this one. Oftentimes, in situations like these, it is best to raise your questions at the page for the relevant wikiprojects. Consider WP:WikiProject Albums. Ryan Vesey 22:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Surely in most cases, the CD/record sleeve will provide the information, and can be used to cite such basic bibliographical (er... musiographical?) facts. The source doesn't need to be online after all! With the caveat that this should only be done by someone who can verify that the information is in fact on the sleeve. MChesterMC (talk) 11:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Will somebody edit the edit I just wrote for "Catherine Beecher"? I couldn't handle links and bibliography.

I added a school note to the article, but couldn't see how to add a link and two books to the bibliography. See Catherine Beecher - "Schools" thanks Carolyn King StephensCarolynkingstephens (talk) 19:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I've taken your information and added a a few books for "Further reading" at the bottom and an external link to the university website. If you have the books, and can cite specific details and pages that would support information in the article, I encourage you to do so. Please reference this citation guide for help, and you are welcome to ask any question here if you need. Thanks for your contributions! I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 19:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Carolyn and welcome to The Teahouse. I added links to the terms you wanted linked. They are links to articles in Wikipedia.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Gratia discovers penicillin

Should Dr.André Gratia have shared the Nobel price for the discovery of penicillin in 1945? Celine SzogesSchwartz (talk) 18:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, but this isn't the place to post the full text of a draft article. I assume that this is similar to what you've posted at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/andre gratia discovers penicillin, where it has been reviewed, and where a number of relevant links have been provided. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Celine SzogesSchwartz. I will be honest. The current version of your article at AfC has long list of serious problems. I recommend that you abandon the idea of creating an article to "right great wrongs" or correct the historical record. Instead, I encourage you to write a neutral, well-referenced biography of André Gratia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Userpages

Where can I find a place that mentions the best userpages in Wikipedia. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

How would you define "the best userpages"? Eric Corbett 18:32, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The nicest with a good design. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:34, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Miss Bono. Are you looking to redesign your user page? Your user page seems pretty fancy and decorated right now-- is it really necessary to add additional things to it? I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 18:38, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Jeth, no I am not looking for adding things, but remove unnecessary things. I am looking for a desing that helps me organize my current page. More elegant. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

once upon a time there was a User:Phaedriel, who designed user pages for people, but she faded away in the wp:esperanza controversy. good formatting there, and some things at Wikipedia:Department_of_Fun#Templates_for_user_pages. 69.254.79.233 (talk) 21:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Although out of date, please see Wikipedia:User page design center and its Userpage Hall of Fame. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

My own userpage design came from just browsing the userpags of various users. I decided that I liked the design of User:Hersfold's page and the colors of User:Fish and karate's page and (with Hersfold's help) combined them. There are really too many different designs for me to be able to recommend a "best" one, though. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 02:44, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Linking

Hi all sorry to trouble you but i am wondering where i am going wrong, i am trying to link Leonard Spence from the Bermuda at the 1936 Summer Olympics with the Hubert Leonard Spence biography, i guess i am looking to hard, thank you in advance.Iantheimp 15:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iantheimp (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I've done that for you; all you needed to do was to change [[Leonard Spence (swimmer)|Leonard Spence]] to [[Leonard Spence]], as that is the name of the article. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Would anyone like to help me with cleanup/expansion of this article, or...

ANOMALIA 18 This article concerns a Greek punk band. However, I can't find very much information on it to expand what is currently an awfully jejune article. Would anyone perhaps like to help, or is this band not notable enough for inclusion in en:WP? hollyperidol 07:41, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi hollyperidol, thanks for your invitation. I did look into whether there were reliable sources that describe the band or its reputation in detail, but I haven't had any success. The band also does not appear to fulfill the notability guidelines for bands, which it seems you were partly expecting. Given that, would it be OK if I nominated this article for deletion? I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 18:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Might there be any articles about them in Greek, perhaps by a Greek alphabet spelling? MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Apparently "ανωμαλία 18". MatthewVanitas (talk)

Suggestion for a Policy

If you have a suggestion to add to a Wikipedia Policy such as WP:Title, how can you propose the suggestion? Can you just start a new section on the talk page on the policy? Or are there any other steps that we have to take Kkj11210 (talk) 01:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Kkj11210. You can indeed just go right ahead and start a new section on the talk page. However, note that there is a central page dedicated to discussion of policies/guidelines and related matters called Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Whether to bring up matters at the talk page or at the village pump is mostly dependent on how active a particular policy's talk page is. In this case, Wikipedia talk:Article titles is quite an active talk page, so, if that was not just an example, I would post there directly. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:34, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try starting a new section on WP:Title then. Really appreciate it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkj11210 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Any Wikipedia guidelines regarding what qualifies a |native_name?

I'm a little confused by the use of native_name in a template. Logic would dictate that it is the name in the language of the region/nation-state. I removed the Russian name for Belarus from the country infobox as, further down, it is made clear that both Belarus and Russian are the official languages. This was reverted (in a somewhat curt manner).

Is there any information to assist me in determining if there is a substantive difference between 'native' and 'official'? It strikes me that variants wouldn't exist if they were one and the same. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Given that no-one has even approached answering my query, could someone please at least point me in the right direction as to who I could refer it to? Any assistance would be appreciated. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:50, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Iryna. Please try to be patient with responses here-- we try to get to questions as a fast as possible, but hosts are not knowledgeable in all areas of Wikipedia. Naming conventions for geographic names is the place you're looking for. There is a convention for cities in Belarus here, but more relevant to your case, Alternative names for places would be something to refer to. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 03:18, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Sincerest apologies for my impatience, I JethroBT. It was not good form on my behalf. Many thanks for your links! They're precisely what I was looking for and have been duly bookmarked for future reference. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:18, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Iryna Harpy and welcome back to the Teahouse. An infobox is a template of a specific kind, and all templates have documentation. Using the Wikipedia search box, I found Template:Infobox country/doc. According to that page, the purpose of this field is "Country's name (usually full name) in its native language, hence in italics (double quotemarks)". The issue here is that Belarus has two official languages. So let's take a look at the infobox for another country with several languages, but one in a less contentious region of the world. Belgium was the country that came to mind. The infobox shows the official name in English, "Kingdom of Belgium", plus that name in the three official languages of that country, Dutch, French and German. Another example is Singapore, where the official name, "Republic of Singapore" is also given in their three official languages, Malay, Chinese and Tamil. Accordingly, the editor who reverted you was correct, though the insult was not necessary. The official name of Belarus should be given in both official languages, Russian and Belarusian, in that infobox. One improvement would be to label the languages in English, as has been done in the other examples I mentioned. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:33, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Mike! Thanks for your time and effort, yet again. After the reversion, I checked Singapore, Switzerland and other countries, noting the same thing. I still deem it to be a point of interest. On the Belarus version of the page, they only use the native language (Belarus) in that particular name space, while acknowledging Russian is also an official language. While I understand that, where there are no particular conflicts of political interest, certain conventions are deemed applicable, in the case of Belarus (which has only been a sovereign nation-state for just over 20 years), the concept of 'native language' is a problematic one. My edit, while inappropriate, truly was made in good faith. I think your suggestion of labelling the languages in English is an excellent one. It's always useful to get an outside opinion as that was something I'd overlooked which actually is of importance to an English reader. I'd subconsciously forgotten that not everyone can read Russian and Belarus! I think this is the bit where I say, "Duh, wa?" --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Please be aware that each language version of Wikipedia has its own autonomous governance and so it is not surprising to run across such variations between languages. As for countries, Belarus indisputably has two official languages, as does Canada. Belgium and Singapore have three. Switzerland has four. And so on. So we render the official name in all official languages in the infobox. The Canadians are lucky as it is the same in English and French. I think that the redundant "official" name and "official" language led someone to choose "native" for a field name, which is a trifle problematic. But that's just a mnemonic, invisible to the average reader. Documentation and established usage set the precedents. Oh, by the way, my first name is "Jim". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Jim. Sheesh, I knew that!!! I have no idea of where 'Mike' came from! Could this be the advent of dementia? I think I've improved but am still occasionally struggling with the learning curve for Wikipedia (although, being a masochist, I'm thoroughly enjoying it). Old dogs and new tricks, don'cha know. Having spent my working life as a researcher by trade - and pedant by hobby - it's a considerable qualitative change to curtail my predisposition for original research. Hopefully, at some point in the distant future, I might actually become a useful Wikipedian so long as I keep getting pulled up on my mistakes! I've obviously read the 'native' far more literally than it was intended to be. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem, just don't call me "late for dinner". You already are a useful Wikipedian, because trying to answer your excellent questions in a halfway decent way stretches my own knowledge, and for several other reasons as well. I now know that Tamil is an official language in Singapore, and more surprising to me, that German is official in Belgium. I always knew of the Flemish/Walloon split there, but was unaware of a significant German speaking population. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

It really is an invaluable resource. I'm learning so much about areas I've never explored and testing my own abilities constantly... and it's all freely available to anyone with an internet connection. This was the stuff of science fiction when we were growing up. Can you imagine what it would have been like to have it at your fingertips from childhood? Yay, Wikipedia! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 07:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Like --Gilderien Talk|List of good deeds 14:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

my respon 125.162.230.162 (talk) 04:58, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

how to correct username

I wanted my username to be "clbwi" and it came up as "Clbwi". How do I correct that? Clbwi (talk) 20:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

That's a limitation of the Wikipedia software - user names must start with an upper case letter. You can however add code to your user page so that it displays as lower case and change your preferences to display a lower case signature (as I have done).--ukexpat (talk) 20:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

You can also change the letter to a lowercase letter in your signature via Special:Preferences. ^King Jakob _C2 22:21, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Specifically, you can add {{lowercase title}} to User:Clbwi and User talk:Clbwi, and write clbwi in the "Signature" box at Special:Preferences (leave "Treat the above as wiki markup" unchecked unless you know how to format signatures with markup). But there are many automatically generated pages where the first letter cannot be lowercase. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I also have a question on this. How do you do the 'signature' thing, like the different font and all, for your username? Krburke12 (talk) 16:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

See WP:CUSTOMSIG, but be careful that your attempts to do so don't break the signature. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

marking location on text box/linking to other wiki pages which don't match exact wording of linked phrase

Hi. I am completing a page on a village and DED - Manor Kilbride in West Wicklow. I would be very grateful if anyone could help me.

1. COORDINATES - LONGITUDE - LATITUDE I copied a text/information box from Kilteel, a nearby village. I enter in correct coordinates in longitude and latitude (sourced from Google Earth) for the village. However the visible text seems to rever to the coordinates of another Kilbride - in East Wicklow? When I examine the text box in 'Edit Source' it shows the correct coordinates. I can't find any explanation for why this would link to the other kilbride. The coordinates visible in the text box and the position of the red dot on the map of Ireland are thus incorrect.

LINKING TO OTHER WIKI PAGES 2. I have tried to link to other wikipedia articles covering relevant topics. For instance the term Eary Christian is commonly used by archaeologists and historians to describe a relevant period of Irish history - see Charles Edward Early Christian Ireland. The relevant wiki page is 'History of Ireland (400-800)' (which notes Early Christian Ireland as a common title for the same period in the first line). Clearly I can't have a sentence which states 'Liam Price suggested the townland and parish name indicated an 'History of Ireland (400-800)' church was located in the townland of Shankill However the only way I can chain link 'Early Christian' to this page is if I click it as an external page. Killimordaly (talk) 12:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. To tackle one part of the question at a time, you can change [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland_%28400%E2%80%93800%29 Early Christian] to [[History of Ireland (400–800)|Early Christian]], which will display as Early Christian. This technique is known as "piping" the wikilink, see Wikipedia:Wikilink. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

David - thanks I made that change. Still puzzled by the coordinates issue.Killimordaly (talk) 14:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The problem with the coordinates was that you were taking coordinates expressed in degrees and minutes, such as latitude 53°11′ N, and entering them in the infobox as if they were decimal coordinates, i.e., 53.11°. Since a minute is a sixtieth of a degree, not a hundredth of a degree, the two expressions are not equivalent (53°11′ is about 53.18°). I've emended the infobox; is everything OK now? Deor (talk) 17:10, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Excellent - thanks very much Deor (though I feel like an idiot!) I was following another template. Hadn't realised the longitude and latitude had been decimalised! Killimordaly (talk) 17:25, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

My reading of the documentation at {{coord}} is that the template can be used with coordinates in either decimal or deg/mins/secs format.--ukexpat (talk) 21:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Killimordaly wasn't using {{coord}}; he was using the "|latd =" and "longd =" fields in {{Infobox settlement}}. You can use {{coord}} in that infobox, but not if you want to use the "pushpin map" field to display a location map of the place. Deor (talk) 16:27, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

How to create a new article

Please forgive me if the answer to this question already exists somewhere but just need someone to either answer or point me to the answer on how to create and/or edit an article. Thanks - Rangarajan122.164.140.252 (talk) 09:02, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I've put a few useful links on your user talk page, including various notes on how to edit. For creating a new article, see WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Go near the top of the page on the article you want to edit and click Edit Source. You can edit mistakes and save them.Froggybros (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Prophet sm dennis

my article about prophet sm dennis was deleated help me make it well.Dianakubo (talk) 10:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Dianakubo, we cannot currently see your draft since it has been deleted for being too WP:Promotional. If you want a safe space to place your draft so you can get advice on it, without danger of it getting deleted, you can paste it at User:Dianakubo/Prophet sm dennis (click on that link to start a drafting space). Once you have done that, let us know and we can take a look at your draft. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Imagemaps

How can I create one of those? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

You need to use an HTML editor. I used to use Dreamweaver, but there are cheaper and even free alternatives available now, such as [4]. Eric Corbett 19:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I mean like the banner of Theonesean or the image in Anna Frodesiak's userpage. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

So did I. It's called an image map because it maps images (or parts of images) to urls, not because it has anything to do with geographical maps. Eric Corbett 19:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks Eric. I guess I'll never had my own image map :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:54, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

No reason why you shouldn't, it's very easy to do once you've created your image. Eric Corbett 19:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

See also mw:Extension:ImageMap#See also. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Eric Corbett, Miss Bono, who lives in Cuba, accesses Wikipedia through a limited intranet. She has no regular access to the broader internet, and can't use Google or Wikimedia Commons or any of the vast range of online tools most of us take for granted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:32, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Then one of the cheap HTML editors would serve. Eric Corbett 22:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

She can't download software, cheap or free, from the internet. She has no access. Wikipedia is the only external site she has access too. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

What a curious place Cuba must be if that's true. But how did she get hold of her browser then? From a state-owned PC dealership? Some friends of ours were recently on holiday in Cuba, and I don't recall them complaining about lack of access to the Internet. Maybe they had other things on their minds though. Eric Corbett 22:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Internet in Cuba may be helpful to refer to. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 23:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

"When buying computers was legalized in 2007 ..." Extraordinary, quite extraordinary. I wonder what Castro's legacy will be seen to have been by future generations. Eric Corbett 23:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Your friends who visited Cuba recently probably stayed in a tourist enclave, Eric. This is definitely not an appropriate venue to discuss Fidel Castro's legacy. Miss Bono has made it clear that she is uninterested in discussing politics. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Tourists have Internet access at Hotels (very expensive for us) Thanks, Cullen for your explanations and for covering my back. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Then stop discussing it. Simple. Eric Corbett 09:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

• Miss Bono welcome back to the Teahouse with another fantastic question! Special programs to do this are not "necessary", but do make it a lot simpler if you are actually making an image map. You could use PrimeHunter's suggestion of checking out Extension:ImageMap (which is what I personally use), or, if that is too advanced for you at this time (you seem to learn very quickly), you can try and do something more simple like create a table with no borders and mess around with (col|row)span and various transparent background images or whatnot, or you can do like Tito Dutta has done and set text (or images) on top of your background using css to manipulate placement of elements. Happy editing!!! Technical 13 (talk) 12:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Technical 13. I cannot access meta, though. I will have to learn to do it with tables and learn about those (col|row) and stuffs! :) Thank you very much! And thanks for the badge. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I had forgotten that you can't get to MediaWiki wiki... In the collapsed section below are the instructions for using that extension for you:

C&P "transclusion" of Extension:ImageMap's instructions for use.

ImageMap is an extension which allows clickable image maps. An image map is a list of coordinates in a specific image, which hyperlinks areas of the image to multiple destinations (in contrast to a normal image link, in which the entire area of the image links to a single destination). For example, a map of the world may have each country hyperlinked to further information about that country. The intention of an image map is to provide an easy way of linking various parts of an image without dividing the image into separate image files.

Examples

Simple example without caption

<imagemap>
Image:Example2.png|150px|alt=Alt text
default [[Main Page|Go to main page]]
</imagemap>

The above example always links to the Main Page, no matter where you click on it. To find out more about the image, click on the blue "i" icon .

Complex example with caption

<imagemap>
Image:JoshuaReynoldsParty.jpg|thumb|center|400px|alt=Dining room with nine men seated around a table. The dinner has been finished, and a large man at the head talks and gesticulates while the others eagerly listen. The men wear wigs and clothing of late 18th century Britain, and the furniture, hangings, and chandelier are of similar vintage. A liveried servant is entering with a tray bearing two high-shouldered decanters of wine.|Image map example. Clicking on a person in the picture causes the browser to load the appropriate article.

poly 133 343 124 287 159 224 189 228 195 291 222 311 209 343 209 354 243 362 292 466 250 463 [[w:Samuel Johnson|Dr Johnson - Dictionary writer]]
poly 76 224 84 255 43 302 62 400 123 423 121 361 137 344 122 290 111 234 96 225 [[w:James Boswell|Boswell - Biographer]]
poly 190 276 208 240 229 228 247 238 250 258 286 319 282 323 223 323 220 301 200 295 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|Sir Joshua Reynolds - Host]]
poly 308 317 311 270 328 261 316 246 320 228 343 227 357 240 377 274 366 284 352 311 319 324 [[w:David Garrick|David Garrick - actor]]
poly 252 406 313 343 341 343 366 280 383 273 372 251 378 222 409 228 414 280 420 292 390 300 374 360 359 437 306 418 313 391 272 415 [[w:Edmund Burke|Edmund Burke - statesman]]
rect 418 220 452 287 [[w:Pasquale Paoli|Pasqual Paoli - Corsican patriot]]
poly 455 238 484 253 505 303 495 363 501 377 491 443 429 439 423 375 466 352 [[w:Charles Burney|Charles Burney - music historian]]
poly 501 279 546 237 567 239 572 308 560 326 537 316 530 300 502 289 [[w:Thomas Warton|Thomas Warton - poet laureate]]
poly 572 453 591 446 572 373 603 351 562 325 592 288 573 260 573 248 591 243 615 254 637 280 655 334 705 396 656 419 625 382 609 391 613 453 [[w:Oliver Goldsmith|Oliver Goldsmith - writer]]
rect 450 86 584 188 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|prob.The Infant Academy 1782]]
rect 286 87 376 191 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|unknown painting]]
circle 100 141 20 [[w:Joshua Reynolds|An unknown portrait]]
poly 503 192 511 176 532 176 534 200 553 219 554 234 541 236 525 261 506 261 511 220 515 215 [[w:Francis Barber|servant - poss. Francis Barber]]
rect 12 10 702 500 [[w:The Club (Literary Club)|Use button to enlarge or use hyperlinks]]
</imagemap>

Image map example. Clicking on a person in the picture causes the browser to load the appropriate article.

The above example links to many different pages, depending on where you click it. To find out more about the image, click on the double-rectangle icon .

Syntax description

The contents of an <imagemap> tag consists of blank lines, comments (starting with #) and logical lines. The first logical line specifies the image to be displayed. This must be in the same format as an ordinary MediaWiki image link, except without the enclosing [[ and ]]. If the first line specifies a "thumb" or "frame" image, then the first line's caption and any |alt= parameter are treated as the image's caption and alt text in the usual way; otherwise, the first line's |alt= parameter (or, if absent, any caption) specifies the image's alt text. In neither case does the image itself have title text (often used for tooltips); any title text is taken from the regions described in later lines.

Further lines are split into tokens, separated by whitespace. The function of each line is determined by the first token in the line. All coordinates are according to the full-size image, not the visible image. They should be specified as distance from left edge (horizontal pixel count), distance from top (vertical pixel count).

desc

Specifies the location of a blue "i" icon , which links to the image description. Possible values: top-right, bottom-right (default), bottom-left, top-left, none. This parameter is ignored for "thumb" or "frame" images, which instead employ the usual double-rectangle icon .

Example:

<imagemap>

Image:PolierMartinWombwellZoffany.jpg|thumb|200px|Colonel Antoine Polier

rect 269 140 344 305 [[Claude Martin]]

rect 124 147 181 298 [[Antoine Polier|Antoine-Louis Polier]]

desc none

</imagemap>

poly

A polygon. The coordinates of the vertices are given, followed by a link in square brackets.

rect

A rectangle. The parameters are the coordinates of the top-left and bottom-right corners, followed by a title to link to in square brackets.

circle

A circle. The first two parameters are the coordinates of the center, the third is the radius. The coordinates are followed by a link in square brackets.

default

This gives the default link, where no other regions are specified.

All coordinates are specified relative to the source image. The image can be scaled using thumbnail syntax, in which case the image map coordinates will be automatically scaled as well.

All links are given in either the form [[Page title]] or [[Page title|description]]. In the latter case, the part after the pipe "|" becomes the title attribute of the link—in most browsers, it will pop up as a tooltip when the user hovers over it; the part after the pipe also becomes the alt text for the link. If no explicit link description is given, the page title is used.

Areas which overlap give precedence to the first link listed.

Good luck! Technical 13 (talk) 13:24, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thankss!!!! :D Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:27, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I can't see the right side. I can't even use the right arrow key.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Most browsers have a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom when the page is wide. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Remove Watermark from images

Hello everybody I have a few images that I want to include in a article.

The images are

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2

3

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These images are indeed copyrighted but Wikipedia has an OTRS ticket for using them in article from Bollywood Hungama. The problem is these are all watermarked. I need someone to remove the watermarks from them or point me how to do it.  SBJ☸talk 18:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sohambanerjee. Assuming OTRS has verified that the pics are legit, you can file a request at the Graphic Lab and have someone sort the watermarks out for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 18:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

hi, if you are uploading to commons, there is a template:watermark, to tag it so others can remove the watermark. or here, there is a category:Images with watermarks 69.254.79.233 (talk) 21:43, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Are their discussions regarding the use of British vs English/Scottish/Welsh?

I've been looking up some British actors recently and was wondering if their was a consensus on what to use, especially since people can be equally adamant about being British as they are about any of the other nations.

And while I'm at it we rarely use the British-Indian or British-African (especially! we would say the country) and I've seen that used in a few places. I'm sure this has been discussed before and I'd love to read the debate.

86.7.193.184 (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. There's no real consensus as far as I am aware. The essay Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom covers some of this (as an essay it has no real weight of policy behind it; it's just a slightly-formal opinion piece). British is technically correct (the best kind of correct) so I use that when I'm editing. The UK/Britain is the nation state while England, Wales, Scotland and so forth are nations but not states. So, unless describing a historical actor, I would go with the strict "British" for all of them (it is what it would say in their passport after all). Other editors are likely to have different opinions. If this happens, just try to be consistent within the article, which is the approach used with different spelling and dating formats.

Ethnicities are a problem as different people use words differently. For example, "Asian" means something different in the UK and the US. That said, as long as the term is wikilinked to an article that explains the phrase (ie. Asian) it should be OK. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 19:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks very much!

86.7.193.184 (talk) 10:27, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I would be very cautious about describing people as British as opposed to Scottish or Welsh, ideally one should go with their self declared nationality. However most English people are unbothered as to the difference between English and British. Of course things are different for historic people, before the Act of Union England and Scotland were separate states. ϢereSpielChequers 05:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

There's almost no debate about English language variations in the West coast of Europe. There's a huge amount of swapping between US and GB, but within the broad "british isles" there's very little. There's more traffic between English / Ulster Scots / Gaelic in the NI articles.

As Indian editors are a large group on en:WP, there is a lot of editing that introduces Indian grammar (rather than spelling) rather than British (or US). I revert this on non-Indian article – this is possibly a problem in the future, as en_IN obviously has a large readership, but en:WP isn't ready for it yet.

There's also Wikipedai, the Cwmyraeg Wikipedia. That could use a lot of assistance from siaradwyr Cwmyraeg, if anyone reading has the language skills to offer. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

upload photo to "Wiki Loves Monuments"

I went to the "Wiki Loves Monuments" project and went to the "Fina a monument to photograph" page to find one to shoot nearby. I found one with a white pin that needed a photo and. I went out and got the shot to upload, clicked on the white pin and followed the instructions to upload the photo which BTW is location ID 97001497. I know my photo went somewhere, but after some research I found it landed in Wikipedia Commons and the white pin where I thought I was uploading the photo is still white now, a day later. Am I missing something here? Or does it just take longer than I expected for such content to find its home?Ceh2624 (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey First of all, thanks for taking the time to do actual legwork! The 2013 WLM contest has not yet begun and will start on September 1, 2013, per the Get Started page. I really don't know a lot about this but your question is languishing, which is unusual for the Teahouse, so I'm taking a stab but I think you best bet might be to to post to Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments/Help desk for a definitive information (or possibly the just plain old Commons Help desk which might be better staffed), although someone might be along here who will know (and correct me:-) Anyway, from seeing that it's not yet started, and also that the participation page that describes how the ID assigned to a photo and the pin is associated with it says that its "out of date", I am guessing that the system may be stagnant; that while the white pins are probably still mostly accurate from the last contest (in that the Commons will still need a photo for most white pins), uploading a photo through that launching point will not update through that system to change the pins yet. Again, I'm not sure about this. Anyway, from the tenor of your question—the fact that you seem surprised that File:Bank of Pilot Mountain.JPG ended up at the Commons—you should know that the Commons is where all uploads through the contest go; the contest is a mechanism for gaining good content for the Commons, which is a vast free media repository; anything you upload there can be used natively at all 287 Wikipedias and other Wikimedia sites. The Commons is the front end. Anyone, anytime, can help out by uploading content there and direct upload, i.e., not through WLM, is how it gains most of its content. The contest organizes gaps needing to be filled, and in a fun way. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit.

I will look into asking this on another help page. I knew about the contest not starting yet and when I went to upload my photo I got a notice saying I could upload my photo but it wouldn't be entered in the contest. Cheers Charles Ceh2624 (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify: there is no such thing as Wikipedia Commons. It's Wikimedia Commons.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)