Talk:Ali Hewson

http://alihewson.com/ - Website

http://alihewson.com/ That is not her official website. If you want proof read: http://alihewson.com/contact.htm, where the webmaster states:

"Please remember, this is an unofficial site; I am not in any way acquainted with Ali Hewson nor do I have any of her contact information or the contact information of any public relations representative."

The website is full of commercial ads and has nothing to do with an official website... —Preceding unsigned comment added by NBGWiki (talk • contribs) 06:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Weasel words in criticism section

What critics argue? Let's remove weasel words and add in inline cites - not just here but to the whole article. Chupper 14:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability?

I'm not sure whether the article successfully describes how the subject is notable on their own. The heart of this article is about the person's relationship with Bono, and if this were the element that made the subject notable, it could better be folded into the article on Bono. Without this section, what would be left is the trivia section and a few other lines. This suggests to me that the article needs to be shored up to establish notability, or else should be folded into Bono. Please post your thoughts here, particularly with reference to the Wikipedia guidelines on biographies. --Zippy posted 01:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC), updated 6:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Article definitely needs to be worked on, but I would not turn into a section in "Bono". That would be too confusing. I'll see what I can do to it over the next few days. Chupper 22:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

04152007 Edits

I've hopefully confirmed notability through the multiple references added. I've also reworked the sections - adding several and removing trivia. I've also removed two categories, Irish feminists and Irish anglicans. I didn't find any references for that anywhere. I also moved the page per Wikipedia's common names policy. Chupper 16:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ali Hewson/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lemurbaby (talk · contribs) 19:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Comments

Prose:

• In the lead: "Hewson has been mentioned as a possible Labour Party candidate for President of Ireland but no such attempt has been made." This would be better if it were rephrased in the active voice.
  • I've changed this to "Tabloids have mentioned Hewson as a possible ..." Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• "She was especially set against the THORP component being opened." It would be good if you could rephrase this to give the reader a better sense of what this is without having to click the link.
  • I've expanded this out to Thermal Oxide Reprocessing Plant, clarified that it was under construction, and I've added a link in the sentence before for nuclear reprocessing. To try to explain here what nuclear reprocessing does seems out of scope. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• "She was aware from the outset of her activities that her own wealth would make her vulnerable to "Ladies who lunch" remarks" - readers may not know what's meant by this type of remark. This sounds like something she may have stated herself, in which case I'd recommend simply including it as a direct quote in order to avoid adding interpretation in order to explain what's meant here.
  • I've expanded this to explain what it means in this context, per the source. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• Explain "abseil"
  • In American English this is rappelling, but abseiling is the British English term, which is what this article uses overall. See for example these Google News Archive links, where the term is in common use in newspapers in Britain, Ireland, New Zealand, etc but not by any newspapers in the United States. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• Explain BNFL
  • I've expanded this out to British Nuclear Fuels Limited, which should be self-descriptive. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
• "Her only publicly known musical performance is a 2012 duet with her husband whilst taking on Lady Gaga's "Telephone" " - This is unclear for me - please rephrase
  • Completely redone now, should be clearer. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Nice work as always. I'm so glad for the work you and the other U2 Wikiproject members continue to put into these awesome articles. I just learned a lot, and that after being an enormous U2 fan for nearly 20 years. Lemurbaby (talk) 19:18, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the review and the kind words. I didn't know most of this either until I started reading old newspaper articles. In addition to these responses, I also tweaked a few of your direct copyedits. I removed both my "less affluent" and your "working class" characterisation of Raheny, because looking over other sources I see conflicting portrayals of the town's socio-economic status. The article already describes her father as an electrician and her mother as a housewife who hoped her daughter would become a secretary, and I think that gets across the family's status. And I qualified the initial 'songs inspired by' language, because Stokes (the main source) usually doesn't claim certainty, including for "Another Time, Another Place". Wasted Time R (talk) 15:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks great! Definitely GA material. Congratulations on a well-researched article that no doubt required considerable scouring of sources. Lemurbaby (talk) 16:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again! Wasted Time R (talk) 00:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

PICTURE

I think a picture of Ali hewson will help. Anyone can load some? My internet permissions don't allow me to. Thanks//Only Love Can Heal Such A Scar// (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia has an extremely restrictive image rights policy. You cannot use photos you see in newspapers or magazines or find on the web. For the most part, only photos taken by Wiki contributors themselves can be used. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Accident

Recently Ali has an accident with a squad. I was wondering in which part of the article can I post thatMissBono (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a guideline WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, which basically says that not everything a newspaper reports about a subject needs to go into the Wikipedia article about that subject. In this case, there were news reports like this one last month that described the injury, but just a couple of weeks later, there is this news report that says she's had a speedy recovery and is out attending fashion shows. So it does not look like this injury has had any lasting effect upon her life. Given that, it does not need to be in the article. In contrast, Bono's back injury in 2010 caused a major leg of a U2 tour to be postponed for a year, so that mention of that injury does belong in his article. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

height matter

where did someone found the fact that Ali is 1.57 m??? The only place i could find that informartion was at IMDb and all of you have said before that IT IS NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE...Miss Bono (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You added that as part of this edit a few months ago. Most of the edit was unnecessary and was backed out, but the infobox height remained. You are right, IMDB is not to be used for things like this, so go ahead and remove it. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

FA Class

Wasted Time R, Ther I was wondering if this article is ready for FA??? Miss Bono  (zootalk) 17:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I know nothing about featured article status.Theroadislong (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The criteria for featured article status are VERY VERY demanding take a look Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria Theroadislong (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Picture for Ali Hewson

Cullen and myself are working on getting a picture. Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Article review

Hey; Miss Bono asked me to give this article a once-over. Some initial thoughts on the lead/general article structure:

Lead and more

1. The section titles ("Career as activist" and "Career as businesswoman") strike me as a bit off solely because they don't properly parse (Career as a...). Having said that, "as a" increases the complexity - have you considered just having "Activism career" and "Business career" or, even better, "Activism" and "Business career" (since people who are activists rarely make money out of it, although I've known a few).  Done
2. "She has a degree in politics and sociology from University College Dublin in 1989." - this reads as "she only had the degree in 1989". I would suggest "She gained a degree in politics and sociology from University College Dublin in 1989." or "she was awarded a degree..."  Done
3. "Hewson began a career as an activist in the 1990s" - career again. Maybe "Hewson became involved in anti-nuclear activism in the 1990s"?  Done
4. "with Irish activist Adi Roche" - is her nationality a crucial factor here? I'd just go with "activist Adi Roche".  Done
5. "Tabloid newspapers have mentioned Hewson as a possible Labour Party candidate for President of Ireland but no such attempt has been made." - I'd add a comma after "Ireland", although YMMV. Is "no such attempt has been made" accurate? From reading the article it sounds a lot like she's refused to be considered .  Note: What should I add instead for it don't sound as she's refused to be considered?

   Hmn. How about "Hewson has been repeatedly been discussed by tabloid newspapers as a possible candidate for political offices, including President of Ireland. As of 2013, none of these suggestions have come to fruition"? I've added offices solely because of the MEP suggestion. Ironholds (talk) 19:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)  Done

6. " two ventures in the ethical business field" - "two ethical businesses"?  Done

More feedback in a bit :). Ironholds (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Ironholds. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 17:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I tweaked two of these, see the edit summaries for rationale, will discuss here if any disagreement. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Seems reasonable; thanks :). Ironholds (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Early life

Further thoughts:

1. In "early life", you can double-barrel "well known" into "well-known".  Done
2. Ditto - "raised their children in the Protestant faith" can be simplified to "raised their children as Protestants".  Done
3. "according to his daughter" - "according to Hewson", maybe?  Done
4. Inline citations should go after punctuation - so, "Alison studied at Mount Temple Comprehensive School,[10] where"  Done
5. " but at first she kept her distance" - "but she initially kept her distance"  Done
6. "In September 1976, Paul met the other members of what would become U2.[ Alison and Paul began dating around the same time. The band members adopted nicknames and Paul Hewson soon became known as Bono. He and Ali, as she was known, soon became a steady couple in the Dublin area." - "In September 1976, Paul met the other members of what would become U2; the band members adopted nicknames, and Paul soon became known as Bono. At around the same time, he and Ali began dating, and soon became a steady couple in the Dublin area".  Done
7. I'd suggest a comma before "but soon reunited".  Done
8. "on efforts" or "in his efforts"?  Done
9. "Meanwhile" - "in the meantime,"?  Done

More later :). Ironholds (talk) 04:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Ironholds :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Marriage and family

Okay, thoughts on "Marriage and family":

1. "She married" - "Hewson married"  Done
2. Again, footnotes, punctuation.... I'd suggest just putting all three citations at the end of that first sentence at the end, or better yet working some commas in.

The problem with putting them all at the end is that we lose the association of which footnote goes with which fact (especially after the bots come that reorder them). In articles like this one, that concern lesser-known subjects, we often have to scrape together facts from disparate sources, and that's why we end up with sentences like this one. I also don't think there's a requirement that footnotes follow punctuation - WP:INTEGRITY has a discussion of this, and the example at the end shows the advantage that putting footnotes immediately after words sometimes provides. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point, and why I included the "better yet" suggestion. Text/source integrity should be maintained wherever possible; including commas is a good way of doing that (in fact, I actually disagree with the example given in WP:INTEGRITY because it bunches everything up at the end of the sentence, past several possible breakpoints). Ironholds (talk) 03:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

 I didn't get the point of what we are going to do with this, maybe Wasted Time R can fix those rerrors

Unless you can figure out a way to add commas without making the sentence structure forced, I think it's best to leave these alone. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Point. I'd independently argue for a comma before "In a Church of Ireland ceremony" but I can't think of a way to split up the entire sentence. Ironholds (talk) 05:52, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

1. label - record label  Done
2. "ready funds" strikes me as a bit off. Maybe just "could not afford a honeymoon"  Done
3. "label head" - "Island founder"  Done
4. "At first, the newly married couple shared a small mews house in Howth with the rest of the band" - why at first? Usually that would be "at first X, but then Y"; there's no Y. How about "Having returned to Ireland, the couple moved to a small mews house in Howth, which they shared with the rest of U2".  Done
5. The sentence after that seems like the sort of thing that should be in "Early life", around when Bono started the band.  Done
6. "gave up on the notion as" - "gave up on the notion, as"  Done
7. "incompatible with the directions" - "incompatible with the direction"  Done
8. "Being effectively a single parent during the times U2 toured was difficult for Ali, but she found Bono helpful even at a distance" - "Being effectively a single parent while U2 toured was difficult for Hewson, but she found Bono helpful even at a distance"  Done
9. Maybe merge those last two paragraphs?  Done

I disagree with the merge. The idea was to have a separate paragraph that contains the birth of her four children. That's a momentous event and deserves paragraph-level focus. Yes, it means treatment of her further education gets split across a paragraph boundary, but that's appropriate, as having children coincided with the end of her undergraduate period and forestalled any graduate study. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

A good rationale :). Ironholds (talk) 02:46, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

More later :). Ironholds (talk) 21:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, @Ironholds: Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Activism

1. "In fall 1985" - fall is an Americanism. "In Autumn 1985".  But I don't know which one should be leave in the article fall or Autumn?

Actually, per WP:RELTIME we aren't supposed to use either, except that if sources use those terms, it's hard for us to know a more specific timeframe. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. In the absence of more specificity I'd advocate going for the Commonwealth rather than the AmEng phrase, in line with the manual of style. Ironholds (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

1. "She saw children with no possessions and at risk of death who appeared more spiritually alive than those in Ireland with material comforts but who seemed spoiled and spiritually unaware. Hewson felt unexpectedly enriched by the experience" - the first statement, here, comes off as a statement of fact, when actually it's a statement of her opinion. I think a direct quote might work better.

If you look at the source, the quote would be pretty bulky, but how about this revision for the paraphrase: "She saw children with no possessions and at risk of death. To her, though, they appeared more spiritually alive than those in Ireland who had material comforts but seemed spoiled and spiritually unaware." Wasted Time R (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Better, but I'd suggest something like "despite this, to her they appeared..." Ironholds (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Works for me. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)  Done

1. "In 1986, the couple travelled in strife-torn" - "to strife-torn" (also solves for the repetition of "in" in that sentence in that paragraph in the article and in the quote of the sentence in the article on the talkpage in Wikipedia.... :P)  Done
2. "She was especially set against the under-construction Thermal Oxide Reprocessing Plant component being opened" - "being opened" seems extraneous here.  What do you suggest? @Ironholds:
3. "Upon the request of activist Adi Roche" - "After a request by activist Adi Roche"  Done
4. "as part of narrating" - "to narrate part of"  Done
5. "Another reviewer said that the documentary was very effective until she started speaking" - can we get a quote here?  Maybe Wasted Time R can find the actual quote.

It's a paraphrase in the Hot Press source: "She blushes at the suggestion, countering the praise with a quote from one reviewer who claimed that the documentary is hugely effective -- until Ali speaks." So that's what it is here too. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

1. "up-to-2,500-mile (4,000 km) trips to Belarus and other areas in the region despite risk to her own health" covering 2,500 miles of land, or travelling 2,500 miles to get there?

The latter, presumably, since water has to be crossed. The source said 2,500 miles, but it is really more like 1,800 miles unless taking a really circuitous route, so I added the "up to" as a safe fudge factor. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

In that case I'm somewhat unclear on the relevance; according to the internet I travel twice that to go to work. It doesn't seem, in and of itself, something worth noting unless we're suggesting that the distance itself is impressive or a factor, and in the days of jet aeroplanes I'm not sure how it would be. Ironholds (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

At least some of her trips have been via on-the-road convoys, which probably is pretty grueling. But I'm okay with taking the distance out if we're not sure of it. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:54, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

In that case, can we specify that somehow? Ironholds (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)  I don't know what to do here, so I'll leave this matter to you @Wasted Time R:

I've taken the distance out, but clarified that some of the trips there have been overland. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Adding more comments now. Ironholds (talk) 22:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

More in a tick :). Ironholds (talk) 22:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

1. "Since 1994, Hewson has been a patron of Chernobyl Children's Project International[30] (since 2010, known as Chernobyl Children International)" - would the naming comment work better as a note, do you think? That way you avoid the repetition of "Since" and the elongation of the sentence (and can also, fairly naturally, put the footnote after punctuation).  I have no idea of how to do it, where should I add the not?

This article doesn't have explanatory Notes right now and it would look awkward to have just one for this minor matter. I've rephrased the parenthetical to "(shortened to Chernobyl Children International in 2010)" which avoids the "since" repetition. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

1. "children, families, and communities who" - "families who" and "communities who" don't seem to mesh; "children, families, and communities that"?  Done
2. "Over the years" seems extraneous.  I change it for Through, as I am not an English native speaker, you probably should review it
3. "Belarus and other areas in the region" - Belarus is a nation rather than an area. "Belarus and other nations in the region"?  Done
4. "despite risk to her own health" - "despite the risk to her health"  Done
5. "overland aid convoys" - "overland" feels extraneous, particularly because it's implied by the next bit of the sentence (driving ambulances)  I just removed the word, don't know if it's Ok

I've restored "overland" as I don't think it's clearly implied by the rest (the ambulance might have been picked up at an airport and driven to the destination, for example). Wasted Time R (talk) 12:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

1. "further explored the collaboration between Hewson and Roche and the close friendship that resulted" - further to what?  I just removed the word, don't know if it's Ok
2. "She was aware from the outset of her activities" - "of her activities" seems extraneous given that it's a thematic section.  I don't know what to do here: Non-native speaker of English

I've removed it. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

1. "Ladies who lunch" - lower case L?  Done
2. "engage themselves in charitable activities" - "themselves is extraneous"  I just removed the word, don't know if it's Ok
3. Lots of repetition of Sellafield. "The plant" sometimes?  Done
4. "It also meant that she too would not always be around for the couple's children" - surely driving ambulances to irradiated areas had the same impact?  I don't know what to do here: Again my language problems

Well, now she had four children to be away from, compared to two in the mid-1990s. I've changed it to "Her continued activism also meant ...". Wasted Time R (talk) 12:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but the number of children is somewhat secondary here, unless the ambulance only fit one activist and two podlings ;p. Ironholds (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

More later :). Ironholds (talk) 23:38, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ironholds, I did the most part but I didn't know what to do with the others. I hope you can help. ZooTgirl ^[zootalk] 12:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm okay with the rest of Miss Bono's changes here. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both Ironholds and Wasted Time R Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:49, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

1. "At the same time that the postcard effort was reaching its peak" - "As the postcard effort was reaching its peak"?  Done
2. Suggest "tabloid reports" be changed to "tabloid newspapers", with a link to an appropriate article for non-europeans (presumably Tabloid (newspaper format) or Tabloid journalism)  Done
3. " came in fourth with Adi Roche" - just Roche, maybe? She's been mentioned many times before in the article, after all.  Done
4. "her girls" - "her daughters"? Done
5. "one of the latter organisation's prominent members" - is this referring to the Museum? If so, I'd just say "as a prominent member of the Museum". What does member mean here, exactly - director, trustee...?  Done

That's it for Activism! Ironholds (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Business career

1. ""nude" spelled backwards, to suggest both "natural" and the Garden of Eden)." - thoughts on this going in a note, too? (as said, happy to format it at my end).  Done
2. "Hewson herself had never much been interested in fashion prior" - "Hewson had not been particularly interested in fashion prior"  Done
3. "succeed as a business, but in this it struggled" - "profit to be considered a success as a business, but in this it struggled"  Done
4. "It lost €9.7 million in 2007 and did still worse in 2008, by the end of which it had some €8.7 million in debts" - "It lost €9.7 million in 2007 and even more in 2008, by the end of which it was €8.7 million in debt"  Done

More in a tick :). Ironholds (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Some more:

1. " By 2010, the company had sourced much of its new fashion line manufacturing to China, making for some negative publicity, while simpler garments were still African-made" - " By 2010, the company had outsourced much of the manufacturing for its new fashion line to China, generating some negative reactions: simpler garments were still African-made"  Done
2. "but that over time she hoped more work could be done in Africa." - "but that she hoped more work could be done in Africa in the future." (the structure of the former makes it sound like her desire to see work done in Africa was increasing over time)  Done
3. "Hewson devoted a large amount of time throughout to Edun" - "throughout" is extraneous.  I removed the word, I don't know if it is OK @Ironholds:
4. "proposition still remained difficult" - "the business still struggled"?  Done
5. "Hewson is also co-founder of Nude skincare with Bryan Meehan, a luxury, natural skincare company" - "Hewson is also co-founder, along with Bryan Meehan, of Nude skincare - a luxury, natural skincare company" (unless Bryan Meehan is a luxury, natural skincare company. Which I'd pay to see :D)  Cool. Nice joke.
6. "the venture sought to combine ethical principles and environmentally friendly yet chic packaging[6][57] with a high-performance product based upon probiotics and omega oils" - this is a runon sentence which is a sentence that just keeps going and going without any kind of punctuation and some users like that and I don't know what the readers think of it but personally I basically follow the idea that you should try and reduce sentence length as much as possible and at all cost provide punctuation that offers a chance for the reader to pause because otherwise sentences can go on forever and they start to hurt your eyes breathes. :P. I'd suggest "the venture sought to combine ethical principles and environmentally friendly, yet chic, packaging,[6][57] with a high-performance product based on probiotics and omega oils".  I spent 5 minutes laughing out loud

Alas, I do sometimes end up writing run-on sentences. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

1. "Its products have garnered some favourable notices among beauty publications" - "Its products have been favourably reviewed by beauty magazines" - is there any way we can give examples of people/institutions who have been supportive? Have there been negative reactions as well?  I change the sentence but @Wasted Time R: maybe should search for those examples because I don't have Internet access

Don't have any more on this. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

1. Italicise and link "eau de toilette"  Done
2. Can we link the Stella perfume? No worries if not.   We don't have an article on that perfume.
3. "Hewson lost in High Court when Mr Justice Floyd ruled against her" - "Hewson lost in the High Court when Mr Justice Floyd ruled against her"  Done
4. "they previously could only imagine" - this comes off a bit weasel-y. "they previously lacked"?  Done

One (and a bit) more sections to go! Ironholds (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Oliver :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:42, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

By the way, when this very attentive review is over, I think it should really be moved from here into Wikipedia:Peer_review/Ali_Hewson/archive1 and show up as such in the 'Article milestones', because a peer review is essentially what this is. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure; I'm kinda flattered by "very attentive", mind (this is basically just me reading the article out loud, chunk by chunk, and then furrowing my brow on occasion and writing down why). Ironholds (talk) 03:58, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

You rock Ironholds! :) Your help is very appreciated :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 14:00, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hector Grey Ali's grandfather or not?

• "Ali Hewson, wife of Bono, is a granddaughter" (of Hector Grey) http://irishrollcall.com/2011/03/hector-grey/

• "A loose relation of the colourful Dublin discount retailer, Hector Grey" http://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/alis-still-the-sweetest-thing-30-years-on-26897159.html

• "Her grandfather is Hector Grey, founder of the legendary Dublin department stores." http://www.rockworldmagazine.com/alison-hewson-the-woman-who-made-bono/

• "From the horses mouth.... Ian Scott.... Hector's Grandson; There's no truth in the rumour that Ali Hewson, Bono's wife is Hector Grey's grand daughter." http://www.dublinforum.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-13899.html

• "Some articles have stated that Hector was the Grandfather of Ali Hewson (nee Stewart) who married her childhood sweetheart Paul Hewson, who is better known as Bono - lead singer of Dublins' U2.) but others dispute this. " http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Ireland/County_Dublin/Dublin-296021/Off_the_Beaten_Path-Dublin-MISC-BR-1.html

I'm inclined to accept Ali's fathers assurance that Hector Grey is NOT her grandfather and more recent mentions above would seem to confirm this. Theroadislong (talk) 13:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I cannot read those article, Theroadislong. What do they say? Do they confirm that Mr. Grey is NOT her grandfather or the opposite? Is there any chance that the user is only using Ali's father's name but he is not that person? So confusing O_o Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:24, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I have written what they say before the links? Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

two say he is, two say he is not and the other says he is loose relation. Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Theroadislong Should we contact Ali and ask her (I think we shouldn't because it would be from primary sources)? But I think it's better to remove the info or at least hide it and specify that it shouldn't be added until we are sure that she is or NOT his grand daughter. And then... If Ian is his grandson and he says that Ali is not her grand daughter so Ali is not Ian's sister. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:40, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Unless Ali herself confirms this (somehow) I would leave the Hector Grey relation out the article. Ultra Violet Light (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Agree. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

It was already removed by User:Patrick Terence Stewart So we need to do nothing. Theroadislong (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

How can we make sure of the actual information? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 13:57, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

When in doubt, leave it out. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

• Well, we're not really in doubt; we've got a ton of sources saying it's the case. Do we have any evidence that the user in question is the relative? Or is there evidence here I'm missing? Ironholds (talk) 16:50, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

As I said before... is there any chance that the user is only using Ali's father's name but he is not that person? I mean, You can register yourself as Norman Hewson and start to edit his brother's article but you are not him. It is possible. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)