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An apology

Hi Begoon, I just want to apologize for what I did about your talk page from the bottomof my heart. It was very unintentional and I really felt sorry about the missing talk box. I am hoping for your consideration and forgiveness. -Nofoolz

I don't think you need to apologise for anything at all. As far as I could see you were just trying to improve the encyclopedia by fixing up a similar thing for List of best-selling albums in the Philippines and you made a mistake and saved the wrong page. Nothing wrong with making a mistake - I make lots of them, and it's all been fixed very easily, so don't worry about it, and enjoy your editing. Cheers. Begoon ^talk 09:42, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Brunei

Would you like to clean up some links on this article? Thanks SirAlexOreo (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Instinct

Thanks for this, but hey, at some point I thought that the Simple Minds were like almost on a par with U2. (In fact, I bought Live in the City of Light, which the store owner let me return that same afternoon.) Also, I am guilty of having bought a Handspring. Still, it's appreciated. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Heh - you're welcome. I just tell it as I see it. I had an 8 track and an Abba LP, so I find it hard to condemn your taste crimes. Cheers. Begoon ^talk 01:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Yes--Arrival and a Musik Laden compilation. My father had an 8-track player in his car with some ABBA as well--that awful "Thank you for the music" album. (He was also a big Neil Diamond and Johnny Cash fan, so he wasn't all wrong.) Later, Drmies (talk) 05:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Arrival was the one. Complete with some kind of fake electronic bagpipey choral folky nonsense I seem to recall, although I'd rather not recall too much, or I'll get to "Dum, dum, diddle"... I tried to be "trendy" at the time by professing to "prefer" the brunette lady to the blond one. Happy days... Begoon ^talk 05:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi

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I had uploaded a semi completed BSF logo can you add caption to it Perumalism Chat 01:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer it if you made requests for graphics work on the workshop page. That way is better for you too, because if I can't do it, one of the other editors at the workshop may be able to, but they won't see it here. Begoon ^talk 02:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

ok one doubt which country you are from ? Perumalism Chat 02:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I nominated the BSF logo in for Common deletion Perumalism Chat 15:57, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

owner of the logo is BSF Perumalism Chat 17:19, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Please read the question properly, and answer it in the proper place - at WP:GL/ILL. If you don't understand the question, then please say so. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 17:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

i am going to leave wikipedia i am not good at any language Perumalism Chat 18:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Well I'm sure you're very good at whatever your native language is. You're not the first, and you won't be the last, person who comes here to get quick, easy help converting logos and such to vectors - we've seen that more times than you can imagine, and we fully understand the temptation to get easy help that way - it's a very active graphic workshop we have here.

My offer stands that if you can demonstrate you've done your best to get help on your own wikipedia, and you are really stuck, you can ask me here. I promise, in those circumstances, to help as much as I can.

Please don't take anything I've said too personally - but please also understand that we donate our time as we see fit, and to those we feel will benefit most from it.

I'd rather leave this discussion as closed now - and I wish you all the best. Begoon ^talk 19:00, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

ok have a nice day Perumalism Chat 19:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for all your help! Margaretwmiller (talk) 13:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Middleton

Thanks, but the LBJ Library likes the 3/4 shot of him. I appreciate your help and suggestions.Margaretwmiller (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I actually think I prefer that too - more dignified with the desk and in setting. Good choice - just wanted to give you the option. Begoon ^talk 15:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Remove watermarks

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Thank you for removing the watermarks. You really saved me... I spent hours searching how can I remove them. Anyway, there are a lot of other images that have the same watermark and since the Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop doesn't allow a lot of pictures to be put on the list, I listed only four of them. What should I do about the others? My love is love (talk) 15:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

They are quite tricky because of the way they are placed, and the nature of some of the low-res images. Are you going to use them in articles? You could tag them with {{watermark}} but I don't know how quick that would be. That relies on some kind soul coming along to do them. How many is "a lot?" Begoon ^talk 16:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm going to use them. Maybe about 20. My love is love (talk) 16:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, provided they are going to be used in articles, we can put them through the Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Eight Requests which would probably get them done in a week to 10 days or so (we can have more than 8 requests at a time). How does that sound?

If any are urgent I can't see the harm in sticking another batch of 4 you want to use in articles right away in the main workshop.

I'll move this to the workshop, because more graphists might get interested and they won't see it on my talk page. Begoon ^talk 17:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Barack Obama speeches

Did I do right? I request merger on speeches by the President of the United States. Some guy just made a response about me in Editor review which was removed from WP:editor review months ago. What can I do? --George Ho (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi George. It's been a long day and I'm just going to bed. I'll have a look first thing tomorrow, but I'd suggest not worrying about it in the meantime, and not doing anything to further any disagreement. I promise the first thing I do tomorrow will be to look at it and let you know what I think. I hope you are feeling well - I've noticed you've been a bit more active lately - lots of good article work and image stuff. Speak to you tomorrow. Begoon ^talk 20:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I took a look - ugh. This is a storm in a teacup. I replied there: [1]. Honestly, it's all a misunderstanding, and best everyone moves on - I can see both sides to the mini disagreement, and it's really not worth any more words. When you deal with stuff that is topical and recent you will run into strong opinions - political articles often have editors who feel strongly about the subject matter, and in this case the editor is rightly proud of the work he has done on the article. I think his reactions were too strong - but I understand why he thought you were being biased, even though I know you weren't. Opinions of Travyon don't have much to do with merging the article, and expressing them like you did can make the discussion heated.

I think enough has probably been said about the disagreement, but I'm happy to talk to you about anything I said that you don't understand - or any remaining concerns you have about it all. Best just to all get on with the good work we do - and if I can help you do that, just ask.

I was pleased to see JBarta managed to get a good result for you on your Golden Girls logo - and pleased to see you are making good use of it. Begoon ^talk 04:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Bangsamoro Republik

Hi Begoon, I think you should check about this, should this article available here? Plus the source are only from the Philippines media. Thanks. — иz нίpнόp ^ʜᴇʟᴘ! 11:05, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, not sure really - it looks like some rebel leader has declared a state that pretty much nobody recognises. There seems to be reliable news about it, like http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/08/16/13/philippines-debunks-declaration-bangsamoro-republik, but the article looks like it needs work if it's going to exist in the long run.

I wouldn't personally get too involved with it until the news settles down, and there's a clearer picture of the whole thing. I'm not a big fan of articles springing up while news is developing, per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:DEADLINE, but there are enough people here who seem to think we should be a news source that I predict a shitfight if you tried to AFD it now. I'd give it some time and see what develops, unless you feel strongly about it. Cheers.Begoon ^talk 11:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I think I would just leave it like that at the moment, but I would reverts any of his edits on this article ([2]) because Sabah and Sarawak doesn't have any separatist rebels group. — иz нίpнόp ^ʜᴇʟᴘ! 11:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah - that's fair. As you say there if Sabah/Sarawak wanted anything along those lines it would be independence for themselves, not anything like that. We'll see how it goes. Begoon ^talk 11:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Different covers of albums and singles

I have discussed this matter in general in WP:VPP. I'm planning either deletion or review on covers of Touch (Sarah McLachlan album), The Kick Inside, and/or ...Baby One More Time. However, would that be forum shopping, case-by-case, disruptive, or what? --George Ho (talk) 21:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

To avoid the impression of forum shopping, try to limit yourself to one discussion at a time, and wait until each one reaches a consensus. This will help you in the later discussions because you will already know most of the objections by then.

Try not to respond to everyone who opposes your point of view, to avoid looking like you want to dominate discussions. I know that can be hard, but if you try very hard to make all your points in your initial post, and then only respond again if absolutely necessary, it makes your position look more confident, and stronger, and you don't get dragged into pointless back/forth exchanges.

That means do a lot of thinking before the initial post, trying to anticipate what the objections will be, and addressing them up front. Begoon ^talk 03:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

I boldly switched infobox images of Material Girl, Like a Virgin (song), Borderline (song), and Dress You Up. Would that affect my position? --George Ho (talk) 03:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

That will depend whether anyone objects to your changes, I guess. Begoon ^talk 03:58, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

History of Malaysia

Thank you for your tips. I wasn't aware changes had to go through the process you mentioned.

The bulk of the content under "Race Relations" is very controversial, unbalanced and without references. It is also heavily biased towards a certain goal. I have checked and made the changes with references to scholars and quotes from those involved in the events mentioned. They are verifiable. There must be sufficient revision to avoid this biased opinion and work towards a more balanced view as would be found in Encyclopedia Britannica. History cannot be written from one point of view or having others' views rejected. If you can first provide scholarly references to those which I feel need to be edited, we can discuss those points and take it from there, as these changes need to be made.

Thank youKnerys (talk) 18:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for responding.

As I indicated, the place to propose large changes such as you think are necessary, is Talk:History of Malaysia (link...), so you should start a new section there, proposing your changes in detail, to discuss it. Editors with that article on their watchlist will see your post, and are more likely to join a discussion there, than here on my talk page where it will be just you and I.

Quite possibly it will be easy to reach agreement there about what changes, if any, consensus feels should be made to the article.

It's important to keep personal opinion out of our articles, so you should take care that you only propose inclusion of what reliable sources have said, neutrally, and in a balanced way, considering also sources with other interpretations. Changes which deal with content neutrally are much more likely to find consensus than ones which seem slanted to a particular viewpoint or purpose. Cheers. Begoon ^talk 03:50, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I shall start a dialogue there. I agree that matters written should not be controversial but it was the controversial nature of some of the content without references that led me to balance with some things similarly controversial. After all, there is never one side to the story.Knerys (talk) 14:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, there are usually many sides to most stories. The important thing is that we achieve balance, and that we base that balance on the reliability, strength and relative weight of our sources. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 14:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

A message from SayaamRulz

I'm sorry about this whole horrible business, it's just that lately nearly all my edits are being reverted mostly because they mess up the articles and i can pretty much be proven wrong from any angle when I try to make a worthy contribution to Wikipedia. It's just that when I checked Katy Perry's page on Billboard - roar wasn't on it - it wasn't even ON the billboard hot 100. i just thought it was a crazy fan trying to make her look good when I can't even properly reference without looking at other references as a template. Anyway, I am TRULY sorry for any bitter feelings caused and I hope we can co-operate properly in the future. :) XXX — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayaamRulz (talk • contribs) 21:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey - if I didn't think it was worth it I wouldn't have left you a message. It's simple, really - stop treating Wikipedia as a place to show how right you are, like you did with the silly image wars on the Kesha article, stop ignoring good advice, like you've done at the Katy Perry articles, and start being friendly and co-operative with other editors. That's all.

If Wikipedia does one thing well, it's forgiving bad behaviour - all you need to do is change, and people will forget the old you, just like that.

You like pop music articles, so get involved on the talk pages and the projects, but do it to help and co-operate, not to fight and prove points. There really is nothing else to it - treat it like any hobby you would do with a group of friends. People will react to the way you are with them. The more you help and work with them, the more they will help and work with you...

And that's my speech for today . Nothing else to it, really - simple. Let me know if I can help you with anything, and enjoy yourself. Good luck. Begoon ^talk 22:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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Chelsea or Bradley?

This whole situation is going out of control, and I can't control it any further. Even worse, we are waiting for a consensus, and the votes are getting huge. I don't know when you will vote on this. --George Ho (talk) 16:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I won't. Begoon ^talk 17:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you at least be a voice of reason to the community, even when you don't want to vote? --George Ho (talk) 17:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

No, there are plenty of voices of reason there already, all drowned out by the noise.
I have better things to do than shout into that kind of mess - and so do you.
If you forced me to answer, I'd say that it shouldn't have been moved, and it makes me a little sad someone did that - but seriously, all those words, and all that drama - nope, not my kind of discussion, sorry.
You should identify dramafests like this as a waste of words at this point. Your voice, or mine, will not be heard above that din.
Time heals all. Nothing is so important it must be done this second on this encyclopedia. It'll sort itself out - and if it hasn't done so in a week or so, I might make a very short comment - but as for throwing myself into that melee, no thank you, not going to happen, even for you, George (and you know I would support you in most things if I thought there was any point right now). Sorry. Begoon ^talk 17:10, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

File:Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' (Too Good to Be True).png

Per WP:IUP, an image like this must be JPEG. Therefore, I replaced PNG with JPEG. No objections to removal of this image? --George Ho (talk) 15:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, actually, yes. Give me a good reason why, or tell me how to put transparency in a jpeg and I might agree. Those are just guidelines, to be interpreted with a bit of common sense. Even if the page says "policy" that doesn't mean we don't use common sense. There are thousands of photographs saved as png here and at Commons, often for that very reason - that you can't have transparency in a jpeg, and they are circular or odd shaped. You're being far too literal about that page. Begoon ^talk 15:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:POLICY, a policy is normally followed. If you want that policy demoted into a "guideline", ask a consensus. --George Ho (talk) 16:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

George - you are being silly now. Please stop it. I tell you what, if it makes you feel any better I'll add the word "generally" to the "policy" page, and see if anyone reverts me. You are being far too literal about something that is common practice. Begoon ^talk 16:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

What about "Rules of thumb" section of the policy? --George Ho (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean - a "rule of thumb" is exactly that - a rule that isn't a rule - a guide. Something to which you apply common sense. You might notice I've used the term "common sense" several times now - that's a clue that it's important... Begoon ^talk 16:46, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I know what "common sense" is: a sense or reaction to what is commonly known. "Common sense" is used to, most often, scold others for not knowing what is commonly known. but WP:common sense is an essay. WP:IUP#Rule of thumb is what you're looking for; I guess it's not common sense, is it? --George Ho (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

George - I'm going to be honest here. You are really annoying me. I don't know why you've got a bee in your bonnet about this, and I don't know why you won't listen to what I'm saying. I'd rather not discuss it any more thanks. I've given you all the advice I can - if you want to ignore it, feel free. Begoon ^talk 16:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)