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Dennis Toeppen

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There are no sources that cover this small business owner in substantial depth. The article relies on a mix of primary sources (company website + court document), sources that are about his company that already has an article, and sources like the NYT link that doesn't appear to actually mention him. The remainder are brief mentions. There is already an article on his business (barely notable as it is) and I don't see a need for a separate one on him. CorporateM (Talk) 14:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've not worked on the Dennis Toeppen article, I have however spent some time previously working tirelessly on the Suburban Express article. I would be careful to ensure that few editors from that article begin to rain down on this AfD discussion. As CorporateM has suggested on the talk page, there have been a number of COI edits involving this subject. Verdict78 (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that this article has been edited by an SPA User:Gulugawa and a regular disinterested editor User:TheOriginalSoni. Verdict has not made edits to this page. However, since the company page has a long history of sockpuppets and COI editing, the closing admin would need to be especially careful looking out for that in "votes." CorporateM (Talk) 15:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CorporateM, the NYT article does definitely mention Toeppen. I'm not opining about whether the article should be deleted, though. Today at the article, I did remove a footnote to a blog, but am not sure whether to delete the whole article. The NYT suggests keep.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:24, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I agree that given the article subject's relation with his bus company and the relevant off and on wiki notoriety, the article should have been taken with extreme caution and it should have been checked in detail whether or not he fell under our notability guidelines. I do contend however, that there are more than a number of sources, particularly books, which talk in detail about his early years. In this context, as well as part of his bus company, I believe Dennis has been covered in sufficient depth to meet general notability guidelines. There are several sources referenced in the article which would prove the same. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:15, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question For the cybersquatting, were there more than the 2 court cases mentioned. The article says: "For example..." which is not good wording for negative information in a BLP. And does Internet Encyclopedia give actual sources for the companies for which it is given as a reference? If so, those should be cited. DGG ( talk ) 00:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The publications TheOriginalSoni mentions are based on Cybesquatting...not Dennis Toeppen. Additionally, his main notoriety comes from his bus company, which is already covered in depth on the Suburban Express wiki page.

12.238.238.104 (talk) 01:22, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The owner of Suburban Express is presumably a plausible redirect to that article. James500 (talk) 09:56, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I have not edited this article, but I have contributed small edits to the Suburban Express article. The content on the Dennis Toeppen article is basically 1) already on the Suburban Express article; 2) describing the person's "cybersquatting" activities performed in 1995. As far as I can tell by reading the article, cybersquatting wasn't an illegal activity until four years later, so I'm not sure that info is even notable. HtownCat (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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+*'''Delete''' - I have not edited this article, but I have contributed small edits to the [[Suburban Express]] article. The content on the Dennis Toeppen article is basically 1) already on the Suburban Express article; 2) describing the person's "cybersquatting" activities performed in 1995. As far as I can tell by reading the article, cybersquatting wasn't an illegal activity until four years later, so I'm not sure that info is even notable. [[User:HtownCat|HtownCat]] ([[User talk:HtownCat|talk]]) 22:14, 27 September 2013 (UTC)