Talk:Native Americans in the United States

Wikipedia Project Traditional Medicine

Wikipedia project traditional medicine needs your held to get started. The current coverage of traditional medicines on Wikipedia is terrible for all peoples. Although the alternative medicine project tries to cover this topic they have failed terribly; most of what they cover lacks any basis in tradition so it does not assist multi-cultural anthropology. A detailed pharmacopoeia must be constructed of all medicinal treatments prescribed by indigenous healers, the projects goal is to have this information available on the pages of the diseases treated, the tribes that recommend it, and the organisms or minerals used. I have heard anecdotal evidence that certain treatments are not shared with clip board holding anthropologists, but if we are all willing to hold hands and work together we can make the world a better place for everyone; people need to be reminded of the importance of environmental conservation and understanding other cultures. Please help make Wikipedia, and the world a better place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CensoredScribe (talk • contribs) 23:42, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Size split?

Split - Article is well over 100 kB, and should be split starting with "Society, language, and culture", "Contemporary Issues" and "History". Thoughts? Suggestions?--Jax 0677 (talk) 21:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

As long as you leave a summary of any sections you split out in situ.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 22:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I split out History of Native Americans in the United States today. Still working on summarizing here. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:40, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Russian Orthodox ?

Are a part of the Native Americans, really Russian Orthodox ?--Albanianp (talk) 20:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the some of the Aleut people of Alaska, who were colonized by Russians.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 20:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Also Alutiiq people (Kodiak Sugpiaq and Chugach) and Dena'ina people are Orthodox --Kmoksy (talk) 20:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

History of Native Americans in the United States

I have created History of Native Americans in the United States using the content of the History section in this article. Additional work needs to be done with respect to identifying references in History of Native Americans in the United States and in summarizing the subsections of the History section here. User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

References in History of Native Americans in the United States are done. I'll start summarizing the history section here now. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Done; 30k removed; obviously it could be done better; feel free, but please don't expand volume. User:Fred Bauder Talk 22:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

A Social Work Approach to Suicide Prevention for American Indians

I've also removed it. The article is too big - although we can have articles this size I don't think it's justified, and I'm guessing that a lot of its readership may have slow broad band.

Then there's the title - a social work approach -- a topic that I definitely don't think belongs in the article.

There's a fairly easy solution - an article on Suicide among Native Americans in the US with a summary in this article. What do others think? Dougweller (talk) 06:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the assessment and the proposed solution, perhaps something along the lines of Native American disease and epidemics, American Indian alcoholism, or Modern social statistics of Native Americans, possibly even merging into one of these if it is appropriate (not the alcohol one). Heiro 06:53, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we could have an article on Suicide among Native Americans + such an article would not however advocate any specific "approach" as the inserted material does.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 11:06, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Material has been provisionally included in Contemporary Native American issues in the United States. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Contemporary Native American issues in the United States

New article with content from Native Americans in the United States#Contemporary issues. References at Contemporary Native American issues in the United States need to be located and edited. Native Americans in the United States#Contemporary issues needs to be edited and summarized. User:Fred Bauder Talk 12:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Culture of Native Americans of the United States

Also Culture of Native Americans of the United States. User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

From Native Americans in the United States#Society, language, and culture User:Fred Bauder Talk 16:08, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

That is not a good title. There are many cultures, not a single one.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Part of a good article on the subject. Please suggest a better alternate title. User:Fred Bauder Talk 19:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with Maunus. Could it not simply be Native American cultures with the "United States" part spelled out in the lead sentence? -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Please keep in mind that it has the content of Native Americans in the United States#Society, language, and culture. It's title and content needs to function as a replacement for Native Americans in the United States#Society, language, and culture which will be summarized. User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Language is an aspect of culture. There's articles such as Native American civil rights, Native American gaming, Native American mascot controversy, Native American reservation politics, Native American studies, Native American Renaissance, Native American use of fire, etc. that establish a precedent for not including the redundant phrase "in the Untied States." -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:23, 20 April 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Not a good precedent since some of those are about U.S. Native Americans and some are about North American Native Americans and some possibly on all Native Americans. Rmhermen (talk) 17:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

modifying collage

Hi, I was wondering if it'd be possible to include Maria Tallchief on the list of people in the NA collage. It would help represent native american women and she is pretty famous. She was given a National Medal of Arts and would be a good candidate for 20th century representatives. Just a thought, there's not many women in the collage. --Turn685 (talk) 19:53, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Scope of the title term

Sentence 1 of the lede says

Native Americans in the United States are the indigenous peoples in North America within the boundaries of the present-day continental United States, Alaska, and the island state of Hawaii.

I have two comments/questions about this:

1. It's not sourced, and it is unclear as to whether Native Hawaiians count as Native Americans. On the one hand it refers to "the indigenous peoples in (sic; of?) North America", apparently excluding Native Hawaiians, but on the other hand it mentions "within the boundaries of ... and the island state of Hawaii", apparently including them. They appear to be excluded in both the info graphic in the lede ("Total population" only has the sub-heading "American Indian and Alaska Native") and in the later "Historical population" sub-section, whose chart is entitled " American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut % of Population by U.S. State (1890-2010)" with no mention of Native Hawaiians. Yet the section "Distribution by US States" has a chart for the distribution of people of Native Hawaiian of Pacific Islander ancestry. Then in "Population by tribal grouping", they're not included.

2. The inclusion by the above quote of Alaskan Natives seems to be contradicted by the following passage in the last paragraph of the lede:

Native American and Alaskan Native authors have been increasingly published....

which implies that the latter are not part of the former.

Can someone provide sources and clarification for the scope of the term Native American? Thanks. Duoduoduo (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

We already have an entire article on the Native American naming controversy. Rmhermen (talk) 00:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

That article addresses the question of what terms are appropriate or inappropriate, and thus is irrelevant to my comments. My comments above simply point out that this article is self-contradictory in various places as to what its chosen term means. It needs to pick a definition of Native American and then stick with it. Duoduoduo (talk) 17:43, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Change of article title to 'Indigenous Americans of the United States'

Since there is much discrepancy over the term Native, as it relates to those of first nation ancestry verses anyone else born here, as well as over the term Indian, which can also refer to South East Asians, I am proposing the title of this article be changed. There already exists Indigenous peoples of the Americas which covers all first nation peoples of the Americas. In my opinion, this article title should reflect the term applied in the main article. Bab-a-lot (talk) 14:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

It shouldn't be moved because the most commonly used terms are "Native American" or "American Indian".User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 14:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, that would be against policy, see WP:COMMONNAME. Dougweller (talk) 15:49, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

This all depends on what side of the boundary you are referring to. In Canada, the term Indigenous is currently in vogue, and in Mexico, other terms still are commonly applied to their native peoples (which is further complicated by their unique history and genetics south of the border independent of both the US and CA). In the USA though, the Indian Nations call themselves American Indians by a very wide margin. Historically (until revisionism and internationalism have became the flavors of the month for non-Indians), society at large in the USA also almost universally referred to us as Indians or American Indians. That is who we are. This article should never be referred to as Indigenous... anything. There are articles for Indians in Canada. This article is about the USA and the term should correctly be AMERICAN INDIAN in the USA. Period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.192.67 (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Except using the term "American Indian" would exclude non-Indian Alaska Natives, including Iñupiat, Aleut, and Yupik peoples. The title should remain as it due to WP:COMMONNAME, as Maunus and Dougweller pointed out. Oppose any moves. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Please remove foreign terminology & biases (good or bad) from this article on the USA (i.e., terms such as Indigenous)

The very first sentence in this article insults us with, "Native Americans are the indigenous peoples in North America within the boundaries of the present-day continental United States, Alaska, and the island state of Hawaii." This is a term currently in use in Canada, NOT the USA. Several editors of this article that persist in removing any corrections that try to edit this insulting term are from Canada no less. This is not a good faith action, even if unintended. This first paragraph of the article then goes on to clearly state, "According to a 1995 U.S. Census Bureau set of home interviews, most of the respondents with an expressed preference refer to themselves as American Indians (or simply Indians – see Native American name controversy), and this term has been adopted by major newspapers and some academic groups"

There is a fundamental flaw and conflict in the article, even setting aside the cited "Indian" vs. "Native American" discussion. The use of the pejorative term "indigenous" to our people, to most American Indians of the USA, and the weaving of references to separate "indigenous" articles into this article needs to be corrected. This article is supposedly not about Indians/natives in Canada or Mexico, or South America for that matter. This is our article - it's about Indians/natives in the USA. Consequently, the name we call OURSELVES collectively, by and large, should be more than a mere footnote or alluded to as a 'controversy' aside. The 1st paragraph clearly states what we call ourselves, and then the article proceeds to call us Native Americans (and all the revisionist baggage that drags in) and then worst of all, 'indigenous'. We are not Canadians (no disrespect intended to our Canadian brothers and sisters that may embrace the term, but that is for them to decide amongst themselves in their own country).

Tell us then what gives YOU (non-Indians, and that is said without malice) any right to decide for us what articles on us should call us?

If you are not from the USA, please respectfully allow people actually from the USA to decide on the content for articles on the USA.

Regardless of where you're from, why do you not respect American Indians of the USA as you presumably respect yourself or other peoples around this globe of ours (never mind honor the spirit of Wikipedia to spread truth freely) and persist in not allowing foreign terms for us be edited that so many of us feel is pejorative (i.e., indigenous).

Why persist in calling us anything and everything rather than allowing us to be known as what we call ourselves collectively (and by a wide margin): American Indians

Do the right thing Wikipedia and wikipedians from around the world. Do not dismiss what we call ourselves as some controversial aside. It is only a controversy for non-Indians and it is what the majority of us call ourselves... Rename this article "American Indians", or for the love of pete and all that is right at least call it "American Indians or Native Americans" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.192.67 (talk) 20:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Respectfully, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.192.67 (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

"Indigenous" is widely used in the United States, as these published books illustrate. I am an enrolled Native American from the United States and personally have no problem with the term "indigenous"; however, decisions on Wikipedia aren't made by personal preference, they are made by what secondary, published sources say. As I just pointed out above, there are certain Alaskan Native groups that are not American Indian. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi