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Good faith? you deleted about 70 sources that I took months of study to produce, that includes almost everyone who has ever studied the subject in history, accepted by every major scholar of the subject, as "good faith"? The first paragraph itself quotes over 10 sources of course including the most important names on the subject. The first 3 lines include in fact 3 references such as Josephus and Jerome, without anything but their own words. And includes references to their own words. Not the Jewish Encyclopedia. Those 2 alone are not one source, but 2, and 2 important ones, at least enough to mention. So already you are for some reason choosing to lie, or didn't read it, just the first 3 sentences. I only included the Jewish Encyclopedia because it did better research than I had, but many of those sources I had already thought about. It is not one source but rather every rabbinic source, again how can you defend your position, and tells you exactly where they had made the statements in their writings. How could a rabbi in the 13 Century calling Ashkenaz something in his own words be outdated, it is a source from the time in question. If date is the issue the actual one source that is there is from 1932 magazine. I included 2 sources from modern Christain authors. How can you defend what you wrote, I don't get it? |
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That what I was attempting to do show the evolution of the usage of the word within the Jewish culture. What was there was untrue unreferenced legitimately, and sub-par to put it charitably. The evidence shows the 1936 Tarbiz article to be outdated and unimportant and barely read in 1936 to begin with. What Josephus called Ashkenaz, on a page about a Jewish historical word, is part of the scholarly method for dissecting a Jewish concept. |
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Theological bestsellers such as the 2 Christian Evangelical books, deserve a mention in their context, noting how they use the Jewish word, just as an antisemitic racial theory is mentioned, so to an Evangelical usage in proven non-Fiction bestseller form deserves a mention, as I did. |
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The list of sources that I have placed in the article includes most of the major Ashkenazi rabbanim, and is not one source, and the exact books and locations where they said it. You obviously did not read what I had written to call it good faith. How can you defend that position? [[User:Kirk loganewski|Kirk loganewski]] ([[User talk:Kirk loganewski|talk]]) 01:11, 31 October 2013 (UTC) |
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I completely disagree with your statements about my edit. But would like to inquire if I tighten it up, provide clearer sources, and remove the word for word quote from the JE, is how much I care about getting the true history put in the article? Providing precise referenced quotes, would you delete it then? Such as.. Josephus about Ashkenaz, Rashi said this here, Saint Jerome stated such here, and so on with ref brackets for each one with a link to a book and page number where these giants of Jewish history used the term and how they used it, and when, and a scant scholarly interpretation, to glue it together. How can that not be construed as an enhancement to the article? When all you have now is very selective quotation and lack of inclusiveness to the point of dictatorship level censorship. |
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I did not invent out of thin air the connection to Galatia, for example, Christian authors from as early as fourth Century had, the same can not be said for what was there.[[User:Kirk loganewski|Kirk loganewski]] ([[User talk:Kirk loganewski|talk]]) 05:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Stope Labelling BJP as Hindu Nationalist
BJP has leaders and politicians from all religions. Stop labeling and calling names it blindly like a paid journalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniash007 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Not my fault that the party is described that way in its article on Wikipedia. As for calling names - isn't the 'paid journalist' bit name-calling (and pathetic as I'm clearly not one). I see you've been reverted again. Dougweller (talk) 05:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
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Anon IP adding uncited info to many pages on a massive scale, recently
Hi, Doug, I appreciate your offer to step in if I wanted to let you know about that anon IP adding questionable edits to music pages. It's still going on, just not on the same scale as before. Two articles on 22 October, one on 23 October, all on music pages. The first two were just more of the uncited personnel listings; the one on 23 October was the vandalism that the IP in question had added about 10 times before to that same page (Sad Eyes). Still no response from that IP - 107.215.236.170
Rockypedia (talk) 05:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Blocked for 3 months. Dougweller (talk) 13:34, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
From time to time I seach Wikipedia for violations of WP:CIRCULAR (genuine citogenesis). Usually I search for three phrases: Hephaestus Books (a publisher making books from Wikipedia articles), ...for Smartphones and Mobile Devices, and MobileReference. I recently deleted all the circular citations that include Hephaestus Books and Encyclopedia for Smartphones and Mobile Devices. I guess I will have to do the same for MobileReference when I get the time. But I have some questions. Why isn't this kind of external links blacklisted. Does anyone pay attention to such policy violations? Are there any other publishers making books from Wikipedia articles besides the ones I know? --Omnipaedista (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Republishers. I don't know why Mobile reference isn't on the list, and we really should have a list in WP space, not just article space. You could post to User talk:Moonriddengirl and see if she agrees about blacklisting the links, I've asked for links to be blacklisted before and we can request more. Do you expect to do the SPI soon? Dougweller (talk) 13:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. Yes, I will do it soon. --Omnipaedista (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- [1] --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Omnipaedista, have you considered Global Vision Publishing, for a little variety? They publish a lot of books; the last time I checked, all copied from elsewhere, most including content from en.wikipedia. List here. bobrayner (talk) 01:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Lots of use of that.[2]And there's Gyan Publishing and ISHA Books, see [3]. I thought I'd purged the Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh but it keeps coming back[4] which is no surprise. Most of the talk page mentions are statements saying not to uses it. Dougweller (talk) 06:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Omnipaedista, have you considered Global Vision Publishing, for a little variety? They publish a lot of books; the last time I checked, all copied from elsewhere, most including content from en.wikipedia. List here. bobrayner (talk) 01:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
AN/I - Ten Lost Tribes
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List of new religious movements
Hello!
As you have commented in the past on List of new religious movements, I'm asking you to take a look at the recent activity on the article and the talk page. It seems that some are unhappy with the RfC and are rather attached to a particular outcome. I'm backing off (again) from trying to clean this up (as I don't need to get into an EW over it :/ ), but I do think that an extra set of eyes (and possibly a stern comment) would make a world of difference.Thanks for considering it, cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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Copyvio
Just saw your edit at Saraswati. I don't really know where and when did it came, even though I have this page as watchlist. I would like to ask, how it's a copyvio? Did the guy copied from some website, or book? Thanks Justicejayant (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- From a government magazine.[5]. Dougweller (talk) 05:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- I see, BTW, you must visit this page Spherical Earth, and check the edit history, as well as the talk page. It can be written that greek astronomy had influence on Indian astronomy in medieval india, but indian belief was always spherical earth.. And some say that it's Indian astronomy who influenced greek? Like i mentioned in talk page. I think you can summarize the whole thing properly. Thanks Justicejayant (talk) 11:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Forgiveness
You advised me to go to a talk page to discuss problems with an edit I was making rather than getting into a reverting war. I tried, but was ignored. Not only was my edit undone, but now I see that many of my edits have been undone. I can only assume by you or the other individual who had a problem with me in the first place.
It is this kind of pettiness that is the ONLY reason I do not make financial contributions to Wikipedia when asked to do so. My edits were harmless. But others with power complexes seem to enjoy ruling the Wiki universe with Nazi-like authority. You all win. I give up. I have neither the time nor conviction to press my issues. I wish you all the best. See you on the other side.Twinsdude (talk) 03:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
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Babur and Ali Shir Nava'i (II)
Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Babur_and_Ali-Shir_Nava.27i. Now User:Nataev is accusing me of vandalism and is claiming that his version is a "modified intro based on other editors' suggestions". --Lysozym (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Doug, I have responded on the Babur talk page. Dilip Hiro is a journalist,[6] not a historian, therefore he is not a reliable source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- Just to let you know, User:Nataev along with his "disagreement" over Dilip, has now resorted to wiki-lawyering and trying to depict the Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy as my opinion("It's clear that you don't think Hiro is a reliable source."), insisting that Dilip is a journalist and a writer, as if that makes a difference![7] --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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Excuse me Sir. I'm writing in connection with the List of Christian films, in which you reverted my last edit of an up-coming movie. I want to know why please:
- Why did you do it?
- Where is your "criteria" stated?
- And what do you mean by "our" criteria?
Thanks in advance. Peace.--Goose friend (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- So why don't you allow Carry Me Home on the list?
- It is written by Tim Chey (The Genius Club); the cinematography is directed by Dean Cundey ('Jurassic Park,' Back to the Future), and it's the debut of TV-Series actor Peter Cousens as as a movie Director.
- The cast is made up by well-known actors and starred by highly acclaimed ones such as Cuba Gooding Jr., William Sadler, and Sharon Leal
- It is culturally relevant: The plot is inspired by the story of Amazing Grace's writer John Newton and his lifestory. It covers an historical period of the United States the African-American community, and includes negro spirituals.
- It is a big-budget film and highly expected to be released by several companies such as ChristianCinema.com., being presented as a"highly-anticipated" "Epic Movie". You can also check it out at IMDB.
- Do you really consider this up-coming film does not meet Wikipedia's "notability" criteria?
- Thanks in advance--Goose friend (talk) 23:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- So why don't you allow Carry Me Home on the list?
- That's not the problem. Create the article first, looks like it should be easy to do although IMDB doesn't meet our criteria at WP:RS. Then add it. There shouldn't be any red links on the list. Do you need links for proper layouts, etc? Dougweller (talk) 18:55, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi again dear wikifellow
- According to the former reasoning: if a movie doesn't have an article on Wikipedia, then it is not "notable"?
- If so, I must say let you know that that is a fallacy.
- In addition, I have never seen a Wikipedia rule with the statement "there shouldn't be any red links on the list". I don't know, probably I ignore it, but, yes, I want a link, I want to see whether there's a link from Wikipedia where that statement is.
- Seeking forward for your reply, --Goose friend (talk) 00:29, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Kaijudo
I have reason to believe that the article located at Kaijudo was deleted in error. The article was about a collectible card game which ties into Kaijudo (TV series). That article links to Kaijudo at the top as a disambiguation link and near the bottom as a Main Article link, so Kaijudo definitely wasn't orphaned. If the collectible card game isn't notable enough to have an article, then the disambiguation isn't needed and the TV series article should be moved to Kaijudo. Digifiend (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- Deleted 3 times, once by PROD, once by request of the editor who recreated it, the 3rd time by me as a sock creation. I've removed the link, go ahead and move the article if you think that's the thing to do. Dougweller (talk) 21:22, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the help with the article. I will add sources to the contents.
Avshar/Afshar tribe articles
After reporting user:Urməvi, Seraphimblade blocked him indefinitely. Therefore, I have started looking for sources to verify and, hopefully, expand the Afshar article. You might take what viable information there is in the Avshar article and merge it with the Afshar article, unless you believe that would be an issue later. What information I can not find sources for will be removed from the article page and placed on the talk page. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- I think I lost 15 minutes of my life posting to WP:AE on him, only to revert myself as Seraphimblade blocked him while I was doing that. Sorry, I've got too many other things on the go, I don't want to get involved with that. If you see HistoryofIran reverting without talk page discussion explain what happens, as he has the same sanctions. Dougweller (talk) 18:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ok. Will do. Is there any way that I could merge the Avshar article with the Afshar article, since the Avshar article is unsourced? --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- The real issue is the title, you can merge either way. But let me know first which is the best title and maybe I can help you make sure the merge goes properly - or rather just read the guidelines and ask me if you aren't sure. Dougweller (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- According to google books, Avshar tribe get 344 hits[8] and Afshar tribe gets 5830[9]. So Afshar seems to be the more commonly used name. As for the information, since it is all unsourced, I will just copy it to the talk page and if/when I or someone else finds a source then it can be re-added to the article. Would that work? --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- The real issue is the title, you can merge either way. But let me know first which is the best title and maybe I can help you make sure the merge goes properly - or rather just read the guidelines and ask me if you aren't sure. Dougweller (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Ok. Will do. Is there any way that I could merge the Avshar article with the Afshar article, since the Avshar article is unsourced? --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Paid page creation of non notable artist
I can see that this wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atif_Ali_Khan has been created by employing services of worker.
See for this contractor goo.gl/oqG6EA (Please add http:// in front of URL)
See for job posting on goo.gl/MpLkgJ (Please add http:// in front of URL)
All references are not notable and clearly seems to be from blogs that are used to highlight person. Image used on page is sought to be own work however this picture could not be accepted as per wiki terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.178.100.18 (talk) 03:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Shivaji and his Father- Shahaji
Dear Dougweller,
With due respect to Wikipedia Culture, I would like to maintain is as follows:
1) Refer to your reversion of Line 41 Edit by me in the article on Shivaji:
Shahaji, father of Shivaji was a Warrior and had sizeable army under his command, is quite general and the citation supporting as Shahaji being "Leader of a band of Mercenary" seems prejudicial.
The meaning of Mercenary is a person who participates in any conflict for monetary or pecuniary gains. I beg to differ that, this was never a case in respect of Shahaji.
Although, he was warred under various Islami Sultans of his era, I demand explanation as to why the case is made in the main article devoted to Shahaji Bhosale, which is similar to my edit.
Please visit his wiki at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahaji_Bhosale. .
In this article, it is mentioned that, Shahaji was a Maratha General and not a single word calling him a Mercenary Leader.
My objection is related to calling Shahaji a Mercenary, which in good faith policy of Wiki is quite misleading and not serving the purpose for which the Wikipedia is being built to impart non-prejudicial knowledge. However, I shall come up with strong citation to support my objection.
2) In case of reversion of Line 162 Edit: no issues as Senapat and Senapati are one and the same.
3) In case of reversion of Line 190 Edit: no issues as Guerilla Warfare is bracketed under sub-Article Military on bullet 8.
4) In case of reversion of Line 211 Edit: no issues as Kanhoji Angre is being written as Kanauji.
Although new, please inform me about any mistakes I may have made, however note that, I intend no vandalism here. (PS: I read the article Wikilawyering (Humour).
Kindly take note of above, and it is urged in good faith, to consider my explanation in true Wikipedian Sense.
Regards, Ricky141 (talk) 06:49, 29 October 2013 (UTC) 29102013, Pune MH India.
- No problem, I meant to get back to this as I was also not sure about mercenaries - and I should have look at Shahaji. I've revised the text, left the source which I believes backs the rewording and I still think is a better source. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 09:30, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks a tonne Dougweller, I really appreciate your timely efforts..
Ricky141 (talk) 12:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Halloween nav bar
OMG I love your halloween navbar. Can I copy it? (and adjust slightly) Is this yours or something one can get generally somewhere?-- 🍺 Antiqueight confer 14:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- I stole it from User:Elockid, doubt that he'd mind. It's great, isn't it? I've dealt with your speedy delete nomination. Dougweller (talk) 15:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Don't mind at all. :) Elockid(Boo!) 15:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- It really is great.. Thanks (to you both). And I think I might be able to do variations on a theme for future events too thanks to seeing it..(I can copy code - just not code from scratch) And thank you for the speedy deletion question-
I wasn't sure what to do..Ah - that one - yes...Thank you!-- 🍺 Antiqueight confer 15:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- It really is great.. Thanks (to you both). And I think I might be able to do variations on a theme for future events too thanks to seeing it..(I can copy code - just not code from scratch) And thank you for the speedy deletion question-
- Don't mind at all. :) Elockid(Boo!) 15:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- I can only see part of it; it seems to be too wide for my window, and lacks scroll-bars. I suspect it’s because I don’t happen to have the specified font installed, and my browser’s (monospaced) substitute is ‘stretching’ the columns or cells.—Odysseus1479 02:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- That's disappointing
-- 🍺 Antiqueight confer 10:07, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
- That's disappointing
- I can only see part of it; it seems to be too wide for my window, and lacks scroll-bars. I suspect it’s because I don’t happen to have the specified font installed, and my browser’s (monospaced) substitute is ‘stretching’ the columns or cells.—Odysseus1479 02:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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Themes
Turns out Elockid already has a Christmas themed navbar ready and waiting - when the time comes I shall be asking him if that's ok to steal too.. Faster than digging out the icons and creating from scratch. I'm not American so there won't be a thanksgiving version. Maybe if I start now I can get a jump on February and March! Though I suspect Elockid is the one to go to for cool themes! I may have to come up with non holiday versions instead...-- 🍺 Antiqueight confer 10:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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Are You Joking
et·y·mol·o·gy ˌetəˈmäləjē/ noun noun: etymology
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the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.
the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning.
plural noun: etymologies
synonyms: derivation, word history, development, origin, source More
"the etymology of a word may be unknown"
That what I was attempting to do show the evolution of the usage of the word within the Jewish culture. What was there was untrue unreferenced legitimately, and sub-par to put it charitably. The evidence shows the 1936 Tarbiz article to be outdated and unimportant and barely read in 1936 to begin with. What Josephus called Ashkenaz, on a page about a Jewish historical word, is part of the scholarly method for dissecting a Jewish concept.
Theological bestsellers such as the 2 Christian Evangelical books, deserve a mention in their context, noting how they use the Jewish word, just as an antisemitic racial theory is mentioned, so to an Evangelical usage in proven non-Fiction bestseller form deserves a mention, as I did.
I completely disagree with your statements about my edit. But would like to inquire if I tighten it up, provide clearer sources, and remove the word for word quote from the JE, is how much I care about getting the true history put in the article? Providing precise referenced quotes, would you delete it then? Such as.. Josephus about Ashkenaz, Rashi said this here, Saint Jerome stated such here, and so on with ref brackets for each one with a link to a book and page number where these giants of Jewish history used the term and how they used it, and when, and a scant scholarly interpretation, to glue it together. How can that not be construed as an enhancement to the article? When all you have now is very selective quotation and lack of inclusiveness to the point of dictatorship level censorship.
I did not invent out of thin air the connection to Galatia, for example, Christian authors from as early as fourth Century had, the same can not be said for what was there.Kirk loganewski (talk) 05:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)