Talk:12 Years a Slave (film)

Teaser poster

Hey ;3

When I created this film entry I put the submission for the 'Twelve Years a Slave' teaser poster, which is located here, http://collider.com/12-years-a-slave-image-synopsis/124115/ ,but it didn't appear so I was wondering whether someone would be kind enough to put it in this page.

Thanks a lot. --Bartallen2 (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

•  Done. PauloHenrique ^{Can talk} 19:04, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot ;3 But how did you manage to submit the image so quickly? ;O When I did it during October it didnt appear ;O --Bartallen2 (talk) 13:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no move. And before I get some comparisons to the closure at Talk:Ocean's Eleven, the distinctions here are that (a) the book is apparently primary over the film here, whereas the two Ocean's films were about equally primary [hence the prior disambiguation landing page], and (b) the book has been released with the numeral in the title. -- tariqabjotu 07:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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12 Years a Slave (film) → 12 Years a Slave – The book uses the word Twelve and the film uses the number 12. Film Fan 12:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

• Comment: The applicable policy here is WP:NATURAL, which says, "Titles of distinct articles may differ only in their detail. Many such differences involve capitalization, separation or non-separation of components, or pluralization: MAVEN and Maven; Red Meat and Red meat; Sea-Monkeys and SeaMonkey. While each name in such a pair may already be precise and apt, a reader who enters one term might in fact be looking for the other; so use appropriate disambiguation techniques, such as hatnotes or disambiguation pages, to help readers find the article they want." The question is if "12" and "Twelve" are already "precise and apt" and not interchangeable as to introduce ambiguity here. For example, in common use, when one sees either Twelve Years a Slave or 12 Years a Slave by itself, will they really be able to tie "Twelve" to the book and "12" to the film? Erik (talk | contribs) 14:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose 12 and Twelve are not distinct. This just will confuse readers and the film clearly isn't anywhere near WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose because I find "12" and "Twelve" to be interchangeable per my comment above. This is the book cover at Amazon.com, which reflects that interchangeability. Other books use both "Twelve" and "12". Therefore, "Twelve Years a Slave" and "12 Years a Slave" should point to the primary topic, Solomon Northup's book. The film adaptation is derived from the book, so per WP:PRECISION ("titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article"), it is appropriate to have the disambiguation term here. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRECISION. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 18:15, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused, Lugnuts. You supported a move just like this with Ocean's Eleven/11, and even with the same reason. Did you mean to say support? --BDD (talk) 23:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support per WP:TWODABS. See the recent outcome at Talk:Ocean's Eleven#Requested move, and the resulting article titles Ocean's 11 and Ocean's Eleven. --BDD (talk) 23:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

  WP:TWODABS does not apply here. The primary topic, the book, points to the film adaptation of the same name. Check out the Amazon.com link in which the book uses "12 Years a Slave" on the cover. It's evidently interchangeable. Erik (talk | contribs) 00:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

That's what I was wondering. User:BDD, what part of WP:TWODABS are you citing? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Screenings

This mentions the film's US premiere at the New York Film Festival, though this mentions a sneak peek at Telluride. We should update the article accordingly. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:26, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Final fate of Solomon Northrup

The article for Solomon Northrup states that after touring as an abolitionist, Solomon Northrup dissapeared a second time. His fate remained forever unknown. The movie ignores this point. The article for this movie should mention that this fact is ignored in the movie. Marc S. Dania Fl 206.192.35.125 (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Edwin Epps and Patsey

Please do not describe Edwin Epps relationship with Patsey or his attitude towards her as that of love or affection in the wikipedia article. Nowhere in the Solomon Northrup's book or in the movie does it say this. In fact Solomon in the book and in movie only describes Edwins relationship with Patsey as one of lust and hatred. Epps lusted over Patsey and did not love her. He abused and raped her multiple times because of his racist views about blacks being less than humans.