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*'''Support''' [[User:Cfvh|Charles]] 21:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' [[User:Cfvh|Charles]] 21:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', though I'd prefer to fix the matter totally, and not by such case by case polls. ''<font color="#990011">//</font>''[[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 22:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', though I'd prefer to fix the matter totally, and not by such case by case polls. ''<font color="#990011">//</font>''[[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 22:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose.''' [[User:KonradWallenrod|KonradWallenrod]] 07:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


===Discussion===
===Discussion===

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   or the uprising was caused by expelling by aristocracy

What does this mean: 'the uprising was caused by the aristocracy because of the expulsion' or 'the uprising was caused because of the explusion by the aristocracy'?

The last paragraph would be better off in Casimir I of Poland

Why has Vazul been redirected to Mieszko of Hungary?

Michael/Mieszko of Hungary and his brother, Geza, were sons of Taksony of Hungary. Michael of Hungary was sometime Regent of Poland by way of his wife, Adelaide "the White" of Poland, who was the sister of Michael/Mieszko I of Poland.

Their son was Vazul, Prince of Hungary.

Michael II of Poland was son of Bolezlav I "The Brave", who was the son of Michael/Mieszko I.

The redirection seems improper. The origin of Vasul is in doubt, but his Hungarian name Vászoly seems derived from the Byzantine Greek Βαςιληος (King/Emperor), then pronounced something like "Vasilius" as represented in Russian Vasily. The only other possible derivation that I can imagine is some cognate of the Czech Václav (Wenceslas), which is even more of a stretch. It is also possible that the king attempted to adopt the Greek-like Vászoly as a title as a distinction from a mere 'king' (Hungarian király).

Most peerage sites suggest, of course, that Vászoly is the son of a Taksony, who is definitely not Polish. He is definitely part of the Árpád dynasty -- not the Polish Piast dynasty. The name Mieszko is easily rendered in Hungarian as Miesko (Hungarian s and sz are equivalents of Polish sz and s, respectively), and even if Mieszko is in fact a diminuitive of "Michael", it would more easily be treated as the Hungarian Mihály.

Any attempt to state that a historical figure had two different identities requires strong and positive evidence (as in public records), and not so flimsy connection as the appearance of someone at roughly the same age in a second place after another has disappeared from another. One would have to establish, at the least, that a Polish prince who became King of Hungary would speak funny or bring foreign ways. It is safe to assume that Poland and Hungary were at least as culturally and linguistically different then as they are now. The absence of contradictory evidence is not proof even in the scarcity of confirming evidence of a more reasonable position: that Vászoly/Vasul and Mieszko are two different persons. --66.231.41.57 21:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

Mieszko II Lambert to Mieszko II of Poland. We do not use nicknames without extraordinary reasons. I propose the systematic name for this king. (He was one of the rarer monarchs of early period who was a recognized King). Marrtel 18:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poll

Write Support or Oppose and an optional one-sentence reason. Longer parts of opinions then below at discussion.

Discussion

The format "Name Ordinal of Country" is not only for cases where there is ambiguity. It is applied to others as well for consistency. There is no other Sancho VII than Sancho VII of Navarre, so why the "of Navarre"? Because then all the Navarrese monarchs would be titled inconsistencly with Sancho IV of Navarre distinguished from Sancho IV of Castile, but Sancho VII with no apparent connection to his predecessor Sancho IV. To newcomers to the topic, it could be very confusing. The "of Country" part is informative. Srnec 01:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]