Talk:Roaming

Hey guys,

is that normal in "Roaming in general", definitions of "SIM-based roaming" and "Username/password based roaming" (the bullet stuff) are the same ?

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I dispute the definition of "roaming" in this article.

A former version of this article had an incorrect explanation of roaming. It was actually describing handoff.

My understanding of "roaming" as it applies to wireless telecommunications is when a subscriber of a given carrier enters an area where they can only connect to the network of another non-affiliated carrier. For example, you are a Sprint subscriber, and your phone travels to an area where there is no Sprint service, but there is AT&T service. As long as there is a roaming agreement between AT&T and Sprint, and your Sprint plan allows roaming, you will be provided cellular service by AT&T in that area (with onerous per-minute fees applied), which will transfer your activity to Sprint for billing records, along with AT&T's charges (to Sprint) for use of their network.

However, the situation that was described in the article is was that of talking on the phone while moving between different antennas/cells of the same carrier's network. This is known in the industry as a handoff.

The article also seems seemed to be complaining about problems with roaming handoff -- talking on the phone while moving out of your carrier's coverage area and into that of another -- which is a virtually nonexistent concept. The roaming transactions, and the current paradigm of telephony, makes this practically impossible. For an example of the roaming transaction process, see GSM core network, especially VLR section. As far as I know.

As for wi-fi, I'm not sure there really is such a concept as wi-fi roaming in the sense I describe. Perhaps paid wi-fi from wireless companies has some sort of roaming, but it seems unlikely given the technology and overhead that would probably be required.

As for handoff in wi-fi, this should be altogether possible; that is, while you are traveling within an area of hotspots connected to the same IP network. Leaving the IP network you start on will, at best, break any connections you have open, and at worst, leave you with no service until you return to your original network.

Of course, the details of these issues of carrier network and IP network segments are generally not noticeable by the average user, so confusion of the terms is understandable, if not quite forgivable in an encyclopedia article.

Of course, I could be wrong, too...

KeithTyler 19:33, May 25, 2004 (UTC)

Because of the prior content of this article and the explanation I gave above, I'd like to find a way to re-include the distinction between handoff and roaming that was formerly made in the article. - KeithTyler 23:28, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Roaming v. Fake Roaming

While the definition in the article is definitely correct,cell phone providers (at least Alltel, but I'm pretty sure the others do also) will often abuse the roaming concept. For eaxmple, the cell phone companies may offer a plan where you can use the phone in a certain geological area, but if you try to use the phone outside of that area you are charged a 'roaming fee' (typically the same as the real roaming fee), despite not actually being on annother carriers network. I know that my Altell phone shows 2 different roaming indicators. One is this fake roaming, which I can ignore due to my plan, however the other is real roaming as defined in the article.

Clarification needed: 'visited', 'home' and 'host' networks.

The 'The roaming process' section writes about 'visited network', 'home network' and 'host network'. It is unclear to me what 'host network' means in that context. Abu ari 14:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Inter standard roaming be merged into Roaming. I think that the content in the Inter standard roaming article can easily be explained in the context of Roaming, and the Roaming article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Inter standard roaming will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. JanetteDoe (talk) 01:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support Jim.henderson (talk) 02:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

The term "roaming" originates from the GSM

Suggest adding reference to GSMA IR.50 2G 2.5G 3G Roaming v4.0 dated Oct.16 2009. Would that be OK? Kalle knegis (talk) 16:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)kalle knegis

The term "roaming" does *not* originate with GSM, as it already existed with analogue (AMPS) cellular. In North America, there were even a series of local numbers for each provider for each city (typically (NPA) NNX-7626 where available so the last four digits spelled ROAM) which made it possible to make local calls to non-local mobile 'phones which had roamed into the local area without tromboning or incurring long-distance tolls. Dialling this local number would give a secondary dial tone, at which point the area code and number of the roaming mobile device could be entered.

I don't see a problem in citing the reference to say GSM mentions "roaming", but hesitate on the claim that roaming originated there if it existed on any prior systems (AMPS in particular). K7L (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)