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Why is the reaction from the Chilean government included? Should we keep the reaction section to countries/organizations/people that are relevant? [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]]<small> (</small><big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkred">'''☎'''</span>]]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''✎'''</span>]]<small>)</small> 04:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Why is the reaction from the Chilean government included? Should we keep the reaction section to countries/organizations/people that are relevant? [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]]<small> (</small><big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkred">'''☎'''</span>]]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''✎'''</span>]]<small>)</small> 04:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
:Is Chile just an example, or are Colombia and the USA deemed more relevant? &mdash;[[User_talk:Rybec|<font color="black"><span style="background:#ccccff">rybec</span></font>]] 01:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
:Is Chile just an example, or are Colombia and the USA deemed more relevant? &mdash;[[User_talk:Rybec|<font color="black"><span style="background:#ccccff">rybec</span></font>]] 01:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

== Notability ==

It seems that these days every single event involving terrorism or any kind of minor conflict is getting its own page. I understand that there is a certain impetus thanks to the "In the News" section, but in the long run the chances that this (and other) pages will grow into anything substantial once the media interest dies down is unlikely. Wouldn't it be more sensible to incorporate this article into an overarching one ([[Terrorism in Russia]] for example), which would cover everything important while also being in a significant enough page to ensure considerable improvement over time? After all, Wikipedia doesn't have a article for ever single terrorist attack or spree from the 19th century for example, so what makes this event "notable" other then the fact it's of momentary world interest? [[Special:Contributions/60.242.210.126|60.242.210.126]] ([[User talk:60.242.210.126|talk]]) 13:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Bolding

Currently the page is; "On 29 December 2013, a suicide bombing took place at the Volgograd-1 station in the city of Volgograd, in the Volgograd Oblast" however it should start of like, "The 2013 Volgograd station bombing was a suicide bombing which happened on 29 December 2013 and took place at the Volgograd-1 station in the city of Volgograd, in the Volgograd Oblast" Just a thought, however the message states 'Per MOS:BOLDTITLE and WP:SBE, neither the article's title nor related text appears in bold'. ///EuroCarGT 17:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the aforementioned guideline section and supplementary page, MOS:BOLDTITLE and WP:SBE. —David Levy 17:46, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@David Levy: Okay, never knew that! That text was quite confusing! ///EuroCarGT 18:30, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So instead you jerkoffs do nothing at all to bold the relevant parts? That's better? Brilliant.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Kintetsubuffalo: I didn't edit the page. ///EuroCarGT 04:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Personal attacks are nonconstructive. —David Levy 05:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Kintetsubuffalo: no need at all for that kind of response. Perhaps you were tired or perhaps you misunderstand the purpose of the lead? There's no requirement anywhere to bold anything in the lead. I would have expected an editor of your experience to be fully aware of that, and calling other editors "jerkoffs" is entirely unjustified. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New attack

Should we make this article into the December 2013 Volgograd attacks or have separate articles for the two attacks? Iselilja (talk) 05:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the {{current}} template, quoting its documentation. As explained there, "as an advisory to editors, the template may optionally be used in those extraordinary occasions that many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) edit an article on the same day". "It is not intended to be used to mark an article that merely has recent news articles about the topic; if it were, hundreds of thousands of articles would have this template, with no informational consequence."
Iselilja undid my edit, with the summary "There has been a new attack now, that maybe should be incorporated in this article; please see talk"
I'm confused as to how this concern, expressed above, has any bearing on whether the {{current}} template should appear. Can you please elaborate, Iselilja? —David Levy 06:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I was mainly relating to what the notice says: "This article documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses" I interprete this as a notice to readers that the article may be unstable. At a moment where we just had news about a new attack, the template seemed very adequate. But if you think otherwise, please do remove it. Iselilja (talk) 06:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation. In that respect, the template's wording can be misleading (as it's intended to be used in articles that are changing rapidly). I'll remove it for the time being, but it would be entirely appropriate to restore it if the emergence of details about either or both bombings leads to that type of situation.
Thanks again! —David Levy 06:49, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perpetrators

Russian sources say Pechyonkin was the station bomber, not trolleybus. Ain92 (talk) 20:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have to take you word for it since I don't speak or read Russian. If you genuinely believe the article to be in error, feel free to fix it. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Double suicide attack

The article currently states that both suicide attacks were performed by Pavel Pechenkin.

Could someone please clean that up? I would do it myself, but any, each and every edit I do regarding this topic gets reverted by the The Rambling Man, and quite frankly, I am too much sick an tired of that to touch this topic any more.

Also please feel invited to weigh in on the issue of the Russian terrorism infobox here. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please do participate in a discussion to gain a consensus before trying to make major edits to high visibility templates. Much appreciated. And no, I only reverted your edits on the template, not this article, so please do not state falsehoods. But yes, the confusion over the perpetrators needs to be cleared up, we need someone who can wade through the most up to date Russian-language sources and unpick the current mess. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, although there're a lot of contradicting reports, as far as I understand, the most recent official version convince Pechyonkin for the station bombing, and either an unknown suicide bomber, remote- or timer-controlled bomb for trolleybus. The situation might become clearer several days later. Ain92 (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reactions

Why is the reaction from the Chilean government included? Should we keep the reaction section to countries/organizations/people that are relevant? ComputerJA () 04:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is Chile just an example, or are Colombia and the USA deemed more relevant? —rybec 01:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

It seems that these days every single event involving terrorism or any kind of minor conflict is getting its own page. I understand that there is a certain impetus thanks to the "In the News" section, but in the long run the chances that this (and other) pages will grow into anything substantial once the media interest dies down is unlikely. Wouldn't it be more sensible to incorporate this article into an overarching one (Terrorism in Russia for example), which would cover everything important while also being in a significant enough page to ensure considerable improvement over time? After all, Wikipedia doesn't have a article for ever single terrorist attack or spree from the 19th century for example, so what makes this event "notable" other then the fact it's of momentary world interest? 60.242.210.126 (talk) 13:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]