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This article seems unbalanced regarding the changes that were made right before the start of the Tour. There are no references regarding this, and it seems a bit heavy using words like "ufortunately", "scandal" and "clearly disrupted the balance". The controversies should be mentioned, but it would be better to use quotes from Kowalczyk herself, and let the readers make up their own mind. --Dermeister83 (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish Expressen refers to her Facebook page, here: https://www.facebook.com/kibicujjustynie . She's written about her decision to boycott Tour de Ski there, but the posts are in Polish and I can't read Polish. Swedish public television (SVT) quotes her here: http://www.svt.se/sport/vintersport/kowalczyk-hoppas-av-tour-de-ski saying it's because of the ratio between classical and freestyle distances; 5 freestyle and 2 classical after the change was not good for the sport, nor her. It was supposed to be "fifty-fifty" (eg 50% of each style). -- Lejman (talk) 18:31, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also think it would be meaningful to discuss all the later drop-outs on the tour, notably Marit Björgen so far (due to illness), but Ingvild Östberg, Denise Herrman and Hanna Eriksson (all currently in the top 10) have stated they plan to drop out of the tour and not do the next course. -- Lejman (talk) 18:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dermeister83 may be right that the use of the word "scandal" was a little strong but I think that the controversies around the 2013-2014 Tour de Ski need to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article (they were discussed by several TV stations and newspaper articles around the world), not mentioning them would not provide an objective picture to the readers. As noticed by Lejman above, there is sufficient evidence supporting the existence of significant controversy regarding "last minute changes" introduced by the organizers. I am of the opinion that the controversies should be mentioned but in somewhat more modest form avoiding some strong words as suggested by Dermeister83. Quoting Kowalczyk may be difficult because she gave many statements in Polish, some of them very critical towards organizers of Tour de Ski in 2013-2014, quoting these could spark controversies and rise questions regarding accuracy of translation. Author: Mr. X.

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 :Swedish Expressen refers to her Facebook page, here: https://www.facebook.com/kibicujjustynie . She's written about her decision to boycott Tour de Ski there, but the posts are in Polish and I can't read Polish. Swedish public television (SVT) quotes her here: http://www.svt.se/sport/vintersport/kowalczyk-hoppas-av-tour-de-ski saying it's because of the ratio between classical and freestyle distances; 5 freestyle and 2 classical after the change was not good for the sport, nor her. It was supposed to be "fifty-fifty" (eg 50% of each style). -- [[User:Lejman|Lejman]] ([[User talk:Lejman|talk]]) 18:31, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 :I also think it would be meaningful to discuss all the later drop-outs on the tour, notably Marit Björgen so far (due to illness), but Ingvild Östberg, Denise Herrman and Hanna Eriksson (all currently in the top 10) have stated they plan to drop out of the tour and not do the next course. -- [[User:Lejman|Lejman]] ([[User talk:Lejman|talk]]) 18:41, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
+: Dermeister83 may be right that the use of the word "scandal" was a little strong but I think that the controversies around the 2013-2014 Tour de Ski need to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article (they were discussed by several TV stations and newspaper articles around the world), not mentioning them would not provide an objective picture to the readers. As noticed by Lejman above, there is sufficient evidence supporting the existence of significant controversy regarding "last minute changes" introduced by the organizers. I am of the opinion that the controversies should be mentioned but in somewhat more modest form avoiding some strong words as suggested by Dermeister83. Quoting Kowalczyk may be difficult because she gave many statements in Polish, some of them very critical towards organizers of Tour de Ski in 2013-2014, quoting these could spark controversies and rise questions regarding accuracy of translation. Author: Mr. X.